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Shane P. Hallam 11-29-2010 09:48 AM

TCU joins the Big East in 2012
 
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...from-big-east/


"The Horned Frogs will join the league beginning on July 1, 2012 and begin play in the Big East in the 2012-13 school year."

jrdrylie 11-29-2010 10:25 AM

The addition of TCU is great for the league, but still leaves them as a small league with only 9 members. Villanova is being considered, but does adding an FCS team (albeit a good one) really add anything? They really need 12 teams. Add UCF, which is an up-and-coming team, FIU (they could be great in a BCS conference with all that Miami talent), and make a play for Notre Dame, if they decline, get back Temple. Then split up the conference like this.

North:
Connecticut
Syracuse
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Villanova
Notre Dame (or Temple)

South:
South Florida
UCF
FIU
Louisville
Pittsburgh
TCU

Bob Sanders Dreadlock 11-29-2010 10:52 AM

Giving BSU the middle finger

Sniper 11-29-2010 10:52 AM

If ND wanted to join a conference, they would have gone to the Big 10.

ElectricEye 11-29-2010 10:55 AM

Wow. That's a pretty big geographic disconnect for them, but good for them if they get into a BCS conference, albeit the weakest one. They'll have a recruiting edge over a lot of those teams being able to recruit Texas.

brat316 11-29-2010 11:00 AM

HAHahah, they join in 2012. And then after that they may have to leave if the Big East losses it automatic bid. They go up for voting in 2 year from now. I doubt they loose it, but how funny would that be.

If they have some Big East opponents scheduled in next year that would be great to see how they are going to do.
To bad they couldn't join the Big 12, would have been easier traveling and 5 Texas schools.

ElectricEye 11-29-2010 11:02 AM

Yeah, TCU to the Big 12 to replace Nebraska/Colorado sounded a lot better than TCU to the Big East.

JoeJoeBrown 11-29-2010 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElectricEye (Post 2403526)
Yeah, TCU to the Big 12 to replace Nebraska/Colorado sounded a lot better than TCU to the Big East.

Yes, but from the Big12's perspective they added ZERO income.

The Big12 already owns the state of Texas for cfb viewership. Competitively, it would have been great.

Also, this move really sucks for BSU. I still think something big will shakeout in the next few years (maybe the Big East becomes the superconference of mid-major football teams?)

bearsfan_51 11-29-2010 11:12 AM

BCS = 1,376,890,765,434

Opponents of BCS= 0

bearsfan_51 11-29-2010 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 2403461)
The addition of TCU is great for the league, but still leaves them as a small league with only 9 members. Villanova is being considered, but does adding an FCS team (albeit a good one) really add anything? They really need 12 teams. Add UCF, which is an up-and-coming team, FIU (they could be great in a BCS conference with all that Miami talent), and make a play for Notre Dame, if they decline, get back Temple. Then split up the conference like this.

North:
Connecticut
Syracuse
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Villanova
Notre Dame (or Temple)

South:
South Florida
UCF
FIU
Louisville
Pittsburgh
TCU

Adding FIU would be a horrendous move and would go a long way towards ensuring that they would actually lose their automatic qualifier.

Plus, they don't need more teams. The main reason they want to add Villanova is because it wouldn't require them to add another basketball school. TCU called their bluff and won, but no other team will have that clout.

NGSeiler 11-29-2010 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 2403461)
Then split up the conference like this.

North:
Connecticut
Syracuse
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Villanova
Notre Dame (or Temple)

South:
South Florida
UCF
FIU
Louisville
Pittsburgh
TCU

Think you're forgetting someone there...

jrdrylie 11-29-2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NGSeiler (Post 2403554)
Think you're forgetting someone there...

Yeah, my bad. Mis-counted. Forget about FIU and just put West Virginia in there.

But in terms of FIU, why would they be so bad? They dominated the Sun Belt this year, played BCS teams Rutgers and Texas A&M close, they would open up the Miami area for recruiting, and with their good coach and good recruiting, they'll only get better. Sure, they would hurt the Big East in terms of keeping the automatic qualifying status right now, but by the time they join in 2012-2013, they should be a borderline top-25 team, which is where the rest of the Big East is now.

bearsfan_51 11-29-2010 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 2403577)
But in terms of FIU, why would they be so bad? They dominated the Sun Belt this year, played BCS teams Rutgers and Texas A&M close, they would open up the Miami area for recruiting, and with their good coach and good recruiting, they'll only get better. Sure, they would hurt the Big East in terms of keeping the automatic qualifying status right now, but by the time they join in 2012-2013, they should be a borderline top-25 team, which is where the rest of the Big East is now.

Because it's just one year, and even this year they couldn't hang. Wait, I'm sorry, did you say borderline top 25 team? Are you ******* serious?

Sagarin rankings for the last few years.

2010:
Big East Average: 61
TCU: 4
Central Florida: 51
Villanova: 72
FIU: 103

2009:
Big East: 39
TCU: 4
Central Florida: 71
Villanova: 30
FIU: 134

2008:
Big East: 43
TCU: 7
Central Florida: 110
Villanova: 63
FIU: 113


Need I go on?

Honestly I don't think they should add Central Florida either. Villanova is arguably the better football program already, and you wouldn't need to add them for any other sports.

BeerBaron 11-29-2010 12:02 PM

Well....TCU will certainly be the conference's best team right away.

scottyboy 11-29-2010 12:02 PM

nice, meaning the only chance for rutgers to win the big east has to be...next year. WHOOO!

BeerBaron 11-29-2010 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyboy (Post 2403632)
nice, meaning the only chance for rutgers to win the big east has to be...next year. WHOOO!

They had two Earthbound Gods in the backfield a few years ago and couldn't do it.....they missed their chance Scotty.

jrdrylie 11-29-2010 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51 (Post 2403599)
Because it's just one year, and even this year they couldn't hang. Wait, I'm sorry, did you say borderline top 25 team? Are you ******* serious?

Sagarin rankings for the last few years.

2010:
Big East Average: 61
TCU: 4
Central Florida: 51
Villanova: 72
FIU: 103

2009:
Big East: 39
TCU: 4
Central Florida: 71
Villanova: 30
FIU: 134

2008:
Big East: 43
TCU: 7
Central Florida: 110
Villanova: 63
FIU: 113


Need I go on?

Honestly I don't think they should add Central Florida either. Villanova is arguably the better football program already, and you wouldn't need to add them for any other sports.

I'm not saying FIU is a top-25 team now. I'm saying in two years. I think their progression as a football program will be very similar to that of USF's. And Villanova is not a better team than UCF.

Shane P. Hallam 11-29-2010 12:38 PM

If the Big East could add UCF as football only and they want Nova to keep the basketball schools there, it is a possibility they continue expanding. But it honestly doesn't make them much better. They just need their good programs (Pitt, WVU, Syracuse,) to pick it up. Maybe UConn or Rutgers emerges and becomes relevant and they can get back.

Halsey 11-29-2010 12:53 PM

All this conference changing feels so collegiate! How long until the conferences start taking on sponsors in their name?

"The Big East presented by Chase Bank"

"The Ford Tough SEC"


How long until the Texas Longhorns and USC Trojans begin the wave of college teams leaving the NFL.

Seriously though, teams chaning conferences like this is helping make college football feel more and more like pure pro football.

Shane P. Hallam 11-29-2010 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halsey (Post 2403740)
All this conference changing feels so collegiate! How long until the conferences start taking on sponsors in their name?

"The Big East presented by Chase Bank"

"The Ford Tough SEC"


How long until the Texas Longhorns and USC Trojans begin the wave of college teams leaving the NFL.

Seriously though, teams chaning conferences like this is helping make college football feel more and more like pure pro football.

Yeah, I hate when all those NFL teams switch divisions! :P

D-Unit 11-29-2010 02:41 PM

Would be nice if the MWC could pick up SMU. June Jones has that program on the rise!

JoeJoeBrown 11-29-2010 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 2403972)
Would be nice if the MWC could pick up SMU. June Jones has that program on the rise!

June Jones is a great coach. Why haven't any of the bigger schools gone after him?

scottyboy 11-29-2010 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam (Post 2403710)
If the Big East could add UCF as football only and they want Nova to keep the basketball schools there, it is a possibility they continue expanding. But it honestly doesn't make them much better. They just need their good programs (Pitt, WVU, Syracuse,) to pick it up. Maybe UConn or Rutgers emerges and becomes relevant and they can get back.

and I think RU and Uconn can do just that. UConn looked impressive at times this year and Rutgers is unbelivably young, like it's insane how young we are. So who knows.

Giantsfan1080 11-29-2010 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyboy (Post 2404006)
and I think RU and Uconn can do just that. UConn looked impressive at times this year and Rutgers is unbelivably young, like it's insane how young we are. So who knows.

Ehh that's not an excuse for how we played this year. Schiano and staff ruined the season with the terrible offense we run. Also, the defense which was supposed to be a very good unit this year looks like a Pop Warner team. Things aren't looking up for us as much as they used too.

Hurricanes25 11-29-2010 02:59 PM

This should end all of the talk about the MWC getting an automatic bid. This should also end the talk about the Big East losing the automatic bid.


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