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M.O.T.H. 07-26-2011 07:16 PM

The only thing that worries me in regard to Bradford is his receiving core. I just hope they dont become one of those teams that constantly neglect their QB, by passing on WR talent. I dont want them to be another one of those teams full of a bunch middle of the road 2 and 3s. Get the guy a true #1 if the opportunity is there.

I cant stand teams that so desperatley want their young QB to succeed. But all they do is surround them with oridinary possession receivers. And continue to pass on apparent elite WR talent year after year. It's an annoyance.

Raiderz4Life 07-26-2011 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JBCX (Post 2630267)
He was one of the best rookie QBs in history, and one of the smartest kids to ever enter the ranks of the NFL (super high Wonderlic). I predict a Peyton Manning-like sophomore season with 3500+ yards passing and 25+ TDs with less than 16 INTs.

Cept for the fact the wonderlic don't mean **** one of the most useless stupidest Combine tests there is. lol

d34ng3l021 07-26-2011 07:29 PM

Charles Johnson resigns with Carolina for $76 million and 6 years.

Sure, the Falcons may have offered "only" $50 million, but over the 6 years, the Falcons are looking at 60+ wins. The Panthers? Probably half that number. Whatever. Have fun losing, loser.

DoughBoy 07-26-2011 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 2630295)
Charles Johnson resigns with Carolina for $76 million and 6 years.

Sure, the Falcons may have offered "only" $50 million, but over the 6 years, the Falcons are looking at 60+ wins. The Panthers? Probably half that number. Whatever. Have fun losing, loser.

U mad bro?

Raiderz4Life 07-26-2011 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 2630295)
Charles Johnson resigns with Carolina for $76 million and 6 years.

Sure, the Falcons may have offered "only" $50 million, but over the 6 years, the Falcons are looking at 60+ wins. The Panthers? Probably half that number. Whatever. Have fun losing, loser.

Bitter much? haha

yo123 07-26-2011 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 2630295)
Charles Johnson resigns with Carolina for $76 million and 6 years.

Sure, the Falcons may have offered "only" $50 million, but over the 6 years, the Falcons are looking at 60+ wins. The Panthers? Probably half that number. Whatever. Have fun losing, loser.


Dude. 26 million dollars is a lot.

CashmoneyDrew 07-26-2011 07:33 PM

I'd take the 26 million extra dollars and the longer offseason but maybe that's just me.

diabsoule 07-26-2011 07:34 PM

Alex Smith signs with 49ers for 1 year, $5 million.

BeerBaron 07-26-2011 07:34 PM

Don't worry, still plenty of time to overpay Ray Edwards or Jason Babin ;)

Unbiased 07-26-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 2630295)
Charles Johnson resigns with Carolina for $76 million and 6 years.

Sure, the Falcons may have offered "only" $50 million, but over the 6 years, the Falcons are looking at 60+ wins. The Panthers? Probably half that number. Whatever. Have fun losing, loser.

Wow, what a baby. At least he'll actually win games unlike you.

BUSTKUNTLAWL 07-26-2011 07:39 PM

Um, really dumb question (?!?!)

But, I thought free agency wouldn't begin until later in the week? And teams could just resign current players / work out trades.

Is this a total open free agency like usual?

JBCX 07-26-2011 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderz4life (Post 2630290)
Cept for the fact the wonderlic don't mean **** one of the most useless stupidest Combine tests there is. lol

The point in quoting the Wonderlic score is to note that he is smart enough to pick up complex offenses without needing excessive training camp time to learn it. Smart people = learn faster, hence the abbreviated offseason will not affect him as much as, say, it would affect someone who scored far lower on his Wonderlic (like a Jake Locker).

Ness 07-26-2011 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by diabsoule (Post 2630311)
Alex Smith signs with 49ers for 1 year, $5 million.

Whoo......

TitanHope 07-26-2011 07:41 PM

No, no. Not only is $26 million not enough to stay at one team over another, but apparently the Falcons will be averaging over 10 wins a season for the next 6 years. How many 10+ win seasons have the Falcons have over their entire team history? 6.

Oh my.

Raiderz4Life 07-26-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JBCX (Post 2630324)
The point in quoting the Wonderlic score is to note that he is smart enough to pick up complex offenses without needing excessive training camp time to learn it. Smart people = learn faster, hence the abbreviated offseason will not affect him as much as, say, it would affect someone who scored far lower on his Wonderlic (like a Jake Locker).

Im not gonna lie...I think that's bad logic. So many great players scored low on their wonderlic test. Again, that test barely means anything.

Ness 07-26-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JBCX (Post 2630253)
And despite what you may think of James Laurinitis - the real point in all of this is that Chris Long, Robert Quinn, and Quintin Mikell coupled with Spagnuolo's mind - are the makings of a really good defense.

Oh yeah, and they have this kid named Sam Bradford who is only going to get better with every year, especially with this offensive genius named Josh McDaniels working with him.

Yikes. The Rams will probably be a perennial playoff contender for the next decade.

Please. It might look good on paper, but we still have to see. Signing a bunch of high profile names won't do you any good for sure. Just ask Washington and Oakland. And I'm still not sold on Sam Bradford. McDaniels may make him better we'll see.

njx9 07-26-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TitanHope (Post 2630328)
No, no. Not only is $26 million not enough to stay at one team over another, but apparently the Falcons will be averaging over 10 wins a season for the next 6 years. How many 10+ win seasons have the Falcons have over their entire team history? 6.

Oh my.

i think he meant 96 wins.

Jvig43 07-26-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TitanHope (Post 2630328)
No, no. Not only is $26 million not enough to stay at one team over another, but apparently the Falcons will be averaging over 10 wins a season for the next 6 years. How many 10+ win seasons have the Falcons have over their entire team history? 6.

Oh my.

lol gotta love homers.

Mr. Goosemahn 07-26-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 2630295)
Charles Johnson resigns with Carolina for $76 million and 6 years.

Sure, the Falcons may have offered "only" $50 million, but over the 6 years, the Falcons are looking at 60+ wins. The Panthers? Probably half that number. Whatever. Have fun losing, loser.

Yeah, about that...

$26 million > 30 wins.

He's getting close to a million dollars for every game he loses, according to your foolproof calculations (probably). Not to shabby for a consolation prize.

Ness 07-26-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JBCX (Post 2630267)
Obviously, McDaniels will have no say in front office matters in St. Louis. He will excel at what he does: offensive playcalling and play designs.



He was one of the best rookie QBs in history
, and one of the smartest kids to ever enter the ranks of the NFL (super high Wonderlic). I predict a Peyton Manning-like sophomore season with 3500+ yards passing and 25+ TDs with less than 16 INTs.

I could be wrong but I feel very strongly that the Rams will be the breakout team this year and Bradford, and the defense, will both be amazing.

Ummmm what? Sure maybe after Flacco, Marino, Ryan, Unitas, Nameth, Roethlisberger and Sanchez.

Mr. Goosemahn 07-26-2011 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BUSTKUNTLAWL (Post 2630321)
Um, really dumb question (?!?!)

But, I thought free agency wouldn't begin until later in the week? And teams could just resign current players / work out trades.

Is this a total open free agency like usual?

From what I understand, they can't sign until Friday, but they can agree to deals now. It's basically a verbal commitment.

Jughead10 07-26-2011 07:45 PM

What does everyone want Johnson so badly?

Ness 07-26-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10 (Post 2630347)
What does everyone want Johnson so badly?

I certainly don't.


Tee Hee.

M.O.T.H. 07-26-2011 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BUSTKUNTLAWL (Post 2630321)
Um, really dumb question (?!?!)

But, I thought free agency wouldn't begin until later in the week? And teams could just resign current players / work out trades.

Is this a total open free agency like usual?

Free agency has begun....but players cant officially sign until Friday. But we've already seen tons of players agree in principle to deals. There have also been a bunch of cuts...but these dont actually go into effect until Thursday.

But yeah, there is tons of FA action going on right now. Teams are free to talk to and negotiate with all unrestricted FAs. Trades can be worked out in principle as well.

BUSTKUNTLAWL 07-26-2011 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goosemahn (Post 2630346)
From what I understand, they can't sign until Friday, but they can agree to deals now. It's basically a verbal commitment.

thx

Quote:

Free agency has begun....but players cant officially sign until Friday. But we've already seen tons of players agree in principle to deals. There have also been a bunch of cuts...but these dont actually go into effect until Thursday.

But yeah, there is tons of FA action going on right now. Teams are free to talk to and negotiate with all unrestricted FAs. Trades can be worked out in principle as well.
thx

Grizzlegom 07-26-2011 07:57 PM

Hearing the Jags are gonna get Paul Posluszny. Don't have a link, just the word amongst Penn State people.

M.O.T.H. 07-26-2011 08:00 PM

Yup, Jay Glazer just tweeted that. Sucks for the Bills.

M.O.T.H. 07-26-2011 08:03 PM

I'll post this in here, too...just because he's my boy.

Dallas is looking to re-sign WR, Sam Hurd, but apparently he has received interest from several teams. Should be interesting to see how this develops. I could see myself being happy, regardless...since he's looking at a larger role either way, more than likely. Good for Sam.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...-to-return-now

Cigaro 07-26-2011 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10 (Post 2630347)
What does everyone want Johnson so badly?

He's played well his entire career, and then had a breakout season last year. I thought the deal was a bit much, but keeping him was and should have been the Panthers number one signing priority.

BeerBaron 07-26-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cigaro (Post 2630393)
He's played well his entire career, and then had a breakout season last year. I thought the deal was a bit much, but keeping him was and should have been the Panthers number one signing priority.

I won't disagree with anything you said, but I think the shock comes from the fact that this guy, entering his 5th year with 1 career double digit sack season, is now making more money than DeMarcus Ware.

That is a hell of a payday, and I'll be interested in seeing if he can keep up the production now that he'll be the unquestioned focal point of opposing blocking schemes.

M.O.T.H. 07-26-2011 08:28 PM

A bit much is a bit of an understatement. There is no reason for him to be making more money than say, Demarcus Ware. But it is what it is.

Jughead10 07-26-2011 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2630395)
I won't disagree with anything you said, but I think the shock comes from the fact that this guy, entering his 5th year with 1 career double digit sack season, is now making more money than DeMarcus Ware.

That is a hell of a payday, and I'll be interested in seeing if he can keep up the production now that he'll be the unquestioned focal point of opposing blocking schemes.

I really think it is because Carolina has to reach 90% of the cap. I still hate that aspect of the CBA.

fenikz 07-26-2011 08:35 PM

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Adam Schefter


Cardinals reached agreement with former Panthers TE Jeff King, filling a need that Arizona had for a blocking TE.

um yay i guess

BeerBaron 07-26-2011 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10 (Post 2630399)
I really think it is because Carolina has to reach 90% of the cap. I still hate that aspect of the CBA.

In 2009, the last year under the old CBA that still had a cap and floor, It was $112 million with a cap of $128 million...about 87.5% of the cap was the floor.

So it's not a huge leap from the past CBA. It's just that a large number of teams absolutely gutted themselves in terms of salary last year with no floor, far more than what would have gone over the cap had it still existed. So that many more now need to overpay in order to get back up to it.

Jughead10 07-26-2011 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2630405)
In 2009, the last year under the old CBA that still had a cap and floor, It was $112 million with a cap of $128 million...about 87.5% of the cap was the floor.

So it's not a huge leap from the past CBA. It's just that a large number of teams absolutely gutted themselves in terms of salary last year with no floor, far more than what would have gone over the cap had it still existed. So that many more now need to overpay in order to get back up to it.

They should have given them two years then. Made the number lower for year 1 and then 90% for year 2. I just think contracts will be so inflated because of this.

Ravens1991 07-26-2011 08:43 PM

Yanda agreed to a 5 year 32 million dollar deal with baltimore.


I have seen sources saying we are 16 or 20 million under the cap so depending on your source we are now roughly 9.5 to 13.5 million under the cap. I hope we can get Ngata long term so his 12.5 million dollar franchise tag goes down. Say we can get him to 100 million a year we will have 12 or 16 million of room. That is enough to make a play at Sidney Rice or Johnathen Joseph. But I doubt Aso.

coordinator0 07-26-2011 08:50 PM

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Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
LB Paul Posluszny agrees to 6 year deal with the Jags. Bills fought hard to keep him. Hard for him to leave, but chance to play in a 4-3...
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@JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Was a big factor for him. Was very difficult for him to leave Buffalo
Hmm... Interesting.

BeerBaron 07-26-2011 08:50 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...arles-johnson/

More details on the Charles Johnson deal.

They do make a good point that it's probably better that Johnson got this money than Newton, as it easily could have been without the rookie scale. So on that point, I'll concede that it isn't too bad of deal.

But damn, it's still a mind **** for Charles freaking Johnson to shoot up the list of richest defenders like that.

SeanTaylorRIP 07-26-2011 08:52 PM

I think Carlos Rogers would be a great fit in Baltimore, physical good covering corner, sure he has the worst hands on gods green earth but the Ravens have smaller guys and ball hawks, they really need a solid corner like Carlos, then you could start Wilson if you retain him or Foxworth on the other side while Webb and Jimmy Smith develop.

K Train 07-26-2011 08:54 PM

id want rodgers to come to the steelers, definitely bring him in if ike leaves. were used to corners not being able to catch, he'll fit right in


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