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Splat 08-29-2011 11:51 AM

Chiefs waived WR Chandler Williams,RB/FB Tervaris Johnson,LB Erik Bakhtiari, DB Javes Lewis,WR Chris Manno,WR Josue Paul and DB Mario Russell.

bigbluedefense 08-29-2011 11:52 AM

Dallas's interior offensive line is mediocre. Good luck with all those 7 step drops and draw plays you love calling ol Princeton Gingerboy.

PACKmanN 08-29-2011 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2662728)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-andre-gurode/

Add Andre Gurode to the list of cuts.

wouldnt mind if the Packers looked at him for the LG spot

Splat 08-29-2011 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 2662736)
Dallas's interior offensive line is mediocre. Good luck with all those 7 step drops and draw plays you love calling ol Princeton Gingerboy.

Brian Waters waiting by the phone.

bigbluedefense 08-29-2011 11:58 AM

I don't see Dallas making that move. I think Ginger is changing the culture in Dallas and wants to mold his own guys.

ATLDirtyBirds 08-29-2011 11:59 AM

Can we please cut Chauncey Davis? I really don't want to lose Cliff Matthews or Lawrence Sidbury.

Thecollegedropout 08-29-2011 12:27 PM

The legendary Vernon Gholston waived by Chicago....

So much for him studding in Chicago.

CC.SD 08-29-2011 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thecollegedropout (Post 2662763)
The legendary Vernon Gholston waived by Chicago....

So much for him studding in Chicago.

Wow the bottom has really dropped out for this guy. He's really stupid for taking potshots at rex ryan while fighting for a roster spot, Chicago didn't care enough.

bearsfan_51 08-29-2011 12:43 PM

He's done. If he couldn't make our team with Marinelli coaching him, he can't make it anywhere.

On the other hand, Amobi Okoye has looked great, which I suspected he would.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender 08-29-2011 12:50 PM

Wow, Vern. I really thought you'd found a home here. Not that he'd be awesome but I thought we'd put up with him for much, much longer than a couple weeks.

bearsfan_51 08-29-2011 12:52 PM

I think he has an attitude problem. He's made enough money to be set for the rest of his life, and I just don't think he's worried about working his ass off to make another million or two.

The Bears gave him 250k to see him waste a spot in camp. At the time, it seemed like a reasonable gamble, but I'm skeptical anyone will take that chance again.

Yay rookie salary cap.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender 08-29-2011 12:56 PM

You might be right. Though I remember Rex saying on Hard Knocks he came to them asking for a pay cut cuz he felt bad for sucking. Idk.

Mario Addison might stick around longer than I thought.

M.O.T.H. 08-29-2011 01:01 PM

Ugh. There is nothing wrong with Gurode.

As I posted in the Cowboys thread...Dallas is playing a dangerous game here. We're looking at three new starters along the O-Line now. And that may come in the way of two rookies and a former undrafted, second year Center, with only one career start. And dont even get me started on depth....because there is none.

I actually do like the potential of our young guys...but to throw them all out there at once seems careless...especially for a team who is still very much planning on competing for a Super Bowl.

Assuming Costa is healthy...we're more than likely looking at...

LT Doug Free
LG Bill Nagy (7th Round Rookie)
C Phil Costa (Second Year (undrafted))
RG Kyle Kosier (moved from LG to RG)
RT Tyron Smith (1st Round rookie extraordinaire)

This group has actually been fantastic in the preseason...but the actual odds of them being consistently great, cannot be that high.

Hurricanes25 08-29-2011 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thecollegedropout (Post 2662763)
The legendary Vernon Gholston waived by Chicago....

So much for him studding in Chicago.

Safe to say that he'll never make it in the league. He's now failed in both the 34 and the 43.

bearsfan_51 08-29-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H. (Post 2662793)
I actually do like the potential of our young guys...but to throw them all out there at once seems careless...especially for a team who is still very much planning on competing for a Super Bowl.

How many years do the Cowboys have to "plan on competing for a Super Bowl" and then subsequently not do **** before they learn that Rome isn't built in a day? The Cowboys have zero shot at a Super Bowl this year. None. Try making the playoffs.

FuzzyGopher 08-29-2011 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurricanes25 (Post 2662796)
Safe to say that he'll never make it in the league. He's now failed in both the 34 and the 43.

He just needs a chance! I mean just look at that vascularity, the guy's gonna be a stud.


Pit Bull #53 08-29-2011 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2662678)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...er-jovan-haye/

Let the surprise cuts begin. Titans cut former starter Jovan Haye. Who wants to bet me that Philly scarfs him right up? Reunite him with Washburn.

Jovan Haye is awful and the fact that he started 15 ****ing games in 2009 tells you how bad our defense was that year. The plus he can't make the team over Senderrick "question" Marks, who hasn't done 1 thing other than being drafted in the 2nd round a couple years ago and staying injured all the time

Splat 08-29-2011 01:44 PM

"Defensive tackle Clinton McDonald was sent to the Seahawks in exchange for Kelly Jennings, the Bengals announced."

LTgiants 08-29-2011 02:01 PM

Any decent TE's on the market now that teams are making cuts?

Pat Sims 90 08-29-2011 02:03 PM

McDonald looked pretty good during Preseason but with Pat Sims coming back for injury we are crowed at DT spot. With Adam Jones set to go to PUP Jennings will prolly be the 3rd or 4th Corner.

A Perfect Score 08-29-2011 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LTgiants (Post 2662839)
Any decent TE's on the market now that teams are making cuts?

I'm actually kind of excited to see what Travis Beckum can do with a legitimate starting opportunity. I really liked him as a prospect.

M.O.T.H. 08-29-2011 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51 (Post 2662798)
How many years do the Cowboys have to "plan on competing for a Super Bowl" and then subsequently not do **** before they learn that Rome isn't built in a day? The Cowboys have zero shot at a Super Bowl this year. None. Try making the playoffs.

ugh. Look at this way...what I meant is that they still very much plan on competing and have their eyes on the playoffs. And what they've done to the O-line screams"Re-build". To have three inexperienced players blocking for Romo is a scary thought.

Rome wasnt built in a day? Dallas isnt even that type of team. Their nucleus has been built from the ground up. Just because they receive all the media Super Bowl hype every year, doesnt mean the players have all booked their Super Bowl flights. It's not like they're spending insane amount of cash every off-season to make a one year run at things, either. The players are a lot more level headed then the media makes them out to be, with all their Super Bowl talk.

Dallas has a good group of guys...and they're a legitimate sleeper in the NFC East with an offense that can hang with anyone, assuming the line gives them time. But our defense, will probably hold this team back. That said, it certainly wouldnt come as a surprise to see them in the playoffs this year at all.

A Perfect Score 08-29-2011 02:23 PM

I think the thing about Dallas is we're continually inundated with article after article about the talent there, about Jerry Jones, and about the expectations that team has on them every season and they continually disappoint. I'm not trying to take anything away from them, they're routinely one of the most talented teams in the league, but they're like the Chargers of the NFC (or the Chargers are the Cowboys of the AFC, if you want to act in accordance of history). I'll believe both teams can win the Super Bowl when I see them playing in the game...Until them, I'm a doubter, even with all that talent.

bearsfan_51 08-29-2011 02:27 PM

I'm not sure what your point was, MOTH, other than to correct me on the style in which the Cowboys have been built. And you're right, they haven't been going crazy in free agency, to their credit.

That still doesn't make them anything remotely close to being a Super Bowl threat. It's only even slightly permissible to bring that up in conversation because the Cowboys were a well-run franchise 15 years ago.

Matthew Jones 08-29-2011 02:32 PM

The big Patriots cut today was S James Sanders. Average spot starter/rotational player. I'll miss him, but I don't think the team is much worse off. Still surprising given the lack of proven Patriots safeties.

bigbluedefense 08-29-2011 02:34 PM

Dallas isn't a SB contender. Maybe not a playoff contender. They have potential to be explosive with their offense, but that oline is shakey.

Plus their defense is going to be horrible. Rob Ryan is all talk. Only reason why he gets so much credit is because he's Buddy's son and Rex's brother. When has he ever put together a dominant defense?

Never. I'll take it one step further. When has he ever run a defense that wasn't mediocre at best?

Never. He's not an upgrade over Wade Phillips at DC. Wade's resume dwarfs his.

M.O.T.H. 08-29-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51 (Post 2662880)
I'm not sure what your point was, MOTH, other than to correct me on the style in which the Cowboys have been built. And you're right, they haven't been going crazy in free agency, to their credit.

That still doesn't make them anything remotely close to being a Super Bowl threat. It's only even slightly permissible to bring that up in conversation because the Cowboys were a well-run franchise 15 years ago.

When I said "compete for a Super Bowl", that's meant with the same context as every other team that thinks they're talented enough to make the playoffs. I was saying, their plan is to actual compete toward that goal, opposed to re-building. Despite the fact, that they just blew up the Line and may start two rookies and an unproven second year center.

Do I really think Dallas is winning the Super Bowl? No. And I never said that. But like damn near every team, that's what their aim is. They're not in re-build mode right now. If the line holds up and the defense grasps Ryan's defense, things can change. If things fall into place, I can certainly see them making the playoffs. But as of right now, I'm just taking it game by game and keeping my expectations low. Dallas performs better as an underdog team, rather than a front runner, anyway. The less media attention or hype they're getting, the better.

M.O.T.H. 08-29-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score (Post 2662872)
I think the thing about Dallas is we're continually inundated with article after article about the talent there, about Jerry Jones, and about the expectations that team has on them every season and they continually disappoint. I'm not trying to take anything away from them, they're routinely one of the most talented teams in the league, but they're like the Chargers of the NFC (or the Chargers are the Cowboys of the AFC, if you want to act in accordance of history). I'll believe both teams can win the Super Bowl when I see them playing in the game...Until them, I'm a doubter, even with all that talent.

Dallas' talent has been overrated for years, imo. And that's on the media forcing it down your throats. That's not to say that Dallas doesnt have a talented group...they have some outstanding skill position players, who I think can get them to the playoffs for sure. But it takes more than that. I always found it funny how "talented" they've been calling this team for the last few years. But really, Barber has been erratic, Roy Williams was never good, despite what they would say, Leonard Davis/Marc Colombo werent good anymore, our DEs have been average for years, Spencer has been merely average, Brooking is over the hill, our corners are inconsistent, and we havent had good safety play in years. If you would just actually look at our roster, you'd know all this "most talented" team talk was a load of crap. We have a bunch of legitimate star players...but the overall team talent isnt what they made it out to be, especially on the defensive side. Yes, they have some solid/average talent there, but I havent viewed Dallas as the most talented team in many a year.

M.O.T.H. 08-29-2011 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 2662887)
Dallas isn't a SB contender. Maybe not a playoff contender. They have potential to be explosive with their offense, but that oline is shakey.

Plus their defense is going to be horrible. Rob Ryan is all talk. Only reason why he gets so much credit is because he's Buddy's son and Rex's brother. When has he ever put together a dominant defense?

Never. I'll take it one step further. When has he ever run a defense that wasn't mediocre at best?

Never. He's not an upgrade over Wade Phillips at DC. Wade's resume dwarfs his.

This is yet to be determined. I'm really worried about it. With three young guys in there...but all of them have actually been playing fantastic against the ones in preseason. Romo hasnt been getting touched and he's had plenty of time to throw. Felix is seeing holes that he would never see a year ago. But I take it with a grain of salt, until we hit that regular season. It's encouraging at least. There is no depth at all, however. I just wanted to make the point, that you cant really call it shaky or mediocre yet, though. At least until we see it in action.

BeerBaron 08-29-2011 03:45 PM

Pats cuts are in:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...patriots-cuts/

Jonathan Wilhite and James Sanders are the two biggest names that i recognize.

M.O.T.H. 08-29-2011 03:47 PM

What's going on with Brandon Ghee? I heard he was on the bubble. I know he hasnt been good, but I was a big fan when he came out. I wouldnt mind adding a nice skill guy, that you could hopefully mold.

Complex 08-29-2011 03:49 PM

The Rams are 750,000 dollars under the cap. Who the hell are they paying? besides Bradford,Jackson,Jason Smith and Long.

Nalej 08-29-2011 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2662957)
Pats cuts are in:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...patriots-cuts/

Jonathan Wilhite and James Sanders are the two biggest names that i recognize.

Wilhite isn't a surprise but J.Sanders is.
I thought it'd be Merrweather that'd be cut or traded.
Never saw this coming. Makes me sad. He's Mr. Consistent.

BeerBaron 08-29-2011 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nalej (Post 2662964)
Wilhite isn't a surprise but J.Sanders is.
I thought it'd be Merrweather that'd be cut or traded.
Never saw this coming. Makes me sad. He's Mr. Consistent.

Quote:

“Tough release on James Sanders,” Bill Belichick said Monday via the Boston Globe. “He’s been a really good guy to have on this team.”
He'll find a new home rather quickly I would think.

Nalej 08-29-2011 03:59 PM

I have no doubt about that. I hope he does well elsewhere... unless he goes to the Jets, of course.

BeerBaron 08-29-2011 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nalej (Post 2662976)
I have no doubt about that. I hope he does well elsewhere... unless he goes to the Jets, of course.

This just in, James Sanders signs with Jets:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...gns-with-jets/

Haha, scared you didn't I? You clicked it, you know it.

(disclaimer: it's a joke. did not mean to start a false rumor...just trying to screw with pats fans...)

Nalej 08-29-2011 04:07 PM

Oops! Looks like you followed a bad link.

That a joke? Or... ?

LTgiants 08-29-2011 04:07 PM

nvm...........

BeerBaron 08-29-2011 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nalej (Post 2662982)
Oops! Looks like you followed a bad link.

That a joke? Or... ?

Jokes. Probably got your heart racing for a second there though, didn't it?

Nalej 08-29-2011 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2662984)
Jokes. Probably got your heart racing for a second there though, didn't it?

I hate your face! haha... yes, my heart was racing for a bit


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