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BeerBaron 08-29-2011 04:47 PM

It is interesting to know that I can just change the link to read however I want to freak people out...this could be fun...

ryno626 08-29-2011 04:52 PM

Garrett Mills...oh please don't bring back the memories of the 2006 draft :(

Laurence Marooney, Chad Jackson, Dave Thomas, Garrett Mills, Stephen Gostkowski, Ryan Callaghan, etc



Swing and a miss!

BeerBaron 08-29-2011 05:15 PM

Gostkowski has been pretty good at least.....

The Vikings 2005 still has you beat as the worst draft class in recent history.

bearsfan_51 08-29-2011 05:19 PM

Erasmus James could have been good if not for injuries. Troy Williamson was just an awful pick.

khorn 08-29-2011 05:27 PM

Worst pick?

Troy Williamson/Ted Ginn Jr/Darius Heyward-Bey


It's funny that they're all similar WRs, top ten picks and they all sucked ass. You would think that teams would learn from each other.

Hurricanes25 08-29-2011 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2662981)
This just in, James Sanders signs with Jets:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...gns-with-jets/

Haha, scared you didn't I? You clicked it, you know it.

(disclaimer: it's a joke. did not mean to start a false rumor...just trying to screw with pats fans...)

Damn you BB. You got me really excited for a second.

M.O.T.H. 08-29-2011 05:33 PM

I cant really call Williamson an idiot for leaving early, because he went in the top 10. But that ass hole should have stayed. I still have dreams of what could have been with a year Williamson and Rice.

bearsfan_51 08-29-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by khorn (Post 2663060)
Worst pick?

Troy Williamson/Ted Ginn Jr/Darius Heyward-Bey


It's funny that they're all similar WRs, top ten picks and they all sucked ass. You would think that teams would learn from each other.

Ted Ginn doesn't deserve to be in that class. He's scored 14 touchdowns in his career (which isn't dead just yet), Williamson only scored 4 times, and his NFL career is over.

Heyward-Bey might end up being even worse, though. For all his crazy athletic talents, he's only scored twice, and has one catch in his career over 40 yards.

RaiderNation 08-29-2011 05:44 PM

Not saying DHB is going to be a pro bowler or anything, but it looks like he he has really improved in the offseason. He looks more like a WR out there now, not a sprinter. He may never be our #1 go to guy, but in our offense we are a big play passing team and if DHB can be a down the field threat he will be really valueable.

bearsfan_51 08-29-2011 05:46 PM

Why hasn't he shown any of that in his first two years?

khorn 08-29-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51 (Post 2663069)
Ted Ginn doesn't deserve to be in that class. He's scored 14 touchdowns in his career (which isn't dead just yet), Williamson only scored 4 times, and his NFL career is over.

Heyward-Bey might end up being even worse, though. For all his crazy athletic talents, he's only scored twice, and has one catch in his career over 40 yards.

Where are you getting your #s? I have Ginn at only 10 career touchdowns, and only 6 of them have been receiving, only 2 more than Williamson had. :/

He did prove he had some worth as a returner (took four back for TDs) but given the context of the situation (Miami needing a QB bad and they passed on the consensus "best available"), and the money they invested in him, i would still put him in that grouping. As bad as DHB is, there is still hope. I think. I mean Roddy White looked just as bad as he did for about three years before he broke out, so i wouldn't write him off just yet.

edit - he actually has 12, two of them were rushing TDs that i overlooked.

BeerBaron 08-29-2011 05:51 PM

Roddy White had more yards in his worst year, in 8 starts as a rookie, than DHB had in 14 starts last year. He also had more TDs that year than DHB has had in his career.

Ginn has been a serviceable return man in his career, which is far more than Williamson ever did.

dolphinfan2k5 08-29-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by khorn (Post 2663080)
Where are you getting your #s? I have Ginn at only 10 career touchdowns, and only 6 of them have been receiving, only 2 more than Williamson had. :/

He did prove he had some worth as a returner (took four back for TDs) but given the context of the situation (Miami needing a QB bad and they passed on the consensus "best available"), and the money they invested in him, i would still put him in that grouping. As bad as DHB is, there is still hope. I think. I mean Roddy White looked just as bad as he did for about three years before he broke out, so i wouldn't write him off just yet.

edit - he actually has 12, two of them were rushing TDs that i overlooked.

Oh darn, we passed on Brady Quinn. If only!

General Zod 08-29-2011 05:53 PM

Did I read that right? John Clayton tweeted that Cincy only had to give up a 7th rd pick for Taylor Mays.

Wow, does he suck that bad? lol

General Zod 08-29-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51 (Post 2663051)
Erasmus James could have been good if not for injuries.

This is true. In those few moments when he was healthy for the Vikes, he showed a lot of potential.

bearsfan_51 08-29-2011 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by khorn (Post 2663080)
Where are you getting your #s? I have Ginn at only 10 career touchdowns, and only 6 of them have been receiving, only 2 more than Williamson had. :/

What does it matter if they are receiving touchdowns or not? He has four returning touchdowns and two touchdowns on runs. I got the # off his wikipedia article, so either something is missing, or whomever made the article was off. Either way, 12 > 4.

Also, the consensus on Brady Quinn was totally wrong, so I'm not sure that point really strengthens your argument. Quinn was arguably a bigger bust than Ginn.

The Vikings tried to replace Randy Moss with Troy Williamson. I'd say that's considerably worse.

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I mean Roddy White looked just as bad as he did for about three years before he broke out, so i wouldn't write him off just yet.
Roddy White had 59 catches for 952 yards in his first two years. His third year is when he absolutely blew up.

DHB has 35 catches for 490. This is really his last chance.

M.O.T.H. 08-29-2011 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Zod (Post 2663090)
Did I read that right? John Clayton tweeted that Cincy only had to give up a 7th rd pick for Taylor Mays.

Wow, does he suck that bad? lol

Yes, pretty much. I wouldnt even trust him to cover TEs regardless of his athletic prowess.

BeerBaron 08-29-2011 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51 (Post 2663094)

DHB has 35 catches for 490. This is really his last chance.

It doesn't help that he's a deep threat on a team feature Jason Campbell, who seems to refuse to throw further than 5 yards down the field, and Trent Edwards who is Captain Checkdown, and Kyle Boller who can go deep but doesn't have the accuracy to hit him...and Pryor, just....lol at Pryor.

Plus the drops.

Raiderz4Life 08-29-2011 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2663103)
It doesn't help that he's a deep threat on a team feature Jason Campbell, who seems to refuse to throw further than 5 yards down the field, and Trent Edwards who is Captain Checkdown, and Kyle Boller who can go deep but doesn't have the accuracy to hit him...and Pryor, just....lol at Pryor.

Plus the drops.

*sigh* nothing to do but smh

XxXdragonXxX 08-29-2011 08:30 PM

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Seattle traded CB Kelly Jennings to Cincinnati in exchange for DT Clinton McDonald.



The fact that we got anything for Jennings is a win, considering everyone in Seattle wanted him cut outright. Maybe someday he'll learn to turn his head and look for the ball. Always has tight coverage, but opposing QBs just throw at him knowing he wont defend the pass. Jennings was a 1st rounder and in 5 seasons picked off 2 passes....wow.

ATLDirtyBirds 08-29-2011 08:48 PM

James Sanders meeting with the Falcons tomorrow. That'd be a really nice add. Surprised he was cut.

keylime_5 08-29-2011 10:12 PM

Browns claimed Oniel Cousins. Eric Steinbach might go on IR this week. Pray for Colt McCoy.

bearsfan_51 08-29-2011 10:13 PM

I'm sure he and his super christian friends will do enough praying.

Bengalsrocket 08-29-2011 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxXdragonXxX (Post 2663267)
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Seattle traded CB Kelly Jennings to Cincinnati in exchange for DT Clinton McDonald.



The fact that we got anything for Jennings is a win, considering everyone in Seattle wanted him cut outright. Maybe someday he'll learn to turn his head and look for the ball. Always has tight coverage, but opposing QBs just throw at him knowing he wont defend the pass. Jennings was a 1st rounder and in 5 seasons picked off 2 passes....wow.

I like Clinton a lot. He's not amazing or anything, not a future super star. But he tries hard and puts his time in. Good trade on Seattle's part.

khorn 08-29-2011 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51 (Post 2663348)
I'm sure he and his super christian friends will do enough praying.

Pfft, Colt is a man's man. He doesn't need a damn offensive line. Much less prayer!

no bare feet 08-30-2011 12:42 PM

Belichick on James Sanders in 2009:

"James is an excellent leader. He plays with a good level of confidence. He's a very good physical player. He's a tough kid. Football's important to him. He's a very committed player, spends a lot of time in the classroom, studying, learning, watching tape, making sure he knows his assignments. I think he's a leader for any young player, forget young player, for any player to emulate and follow. I think he's very professional and you would like to have 53 players like James on your team in terms of his work ethic, his toughness [and] being a teammate."

Any rumors on where he could end up besides the obvious of KC/ATL? I'd like to see him in Pittsburgh! Wouldn't be shocked if he ends up in Houston/Indy

bearsfan_51 08-30-2011 02:37 PM

Saints are going to cut Alex Brown, could end up back with the Bears.

BeerBaron 08-30-2011 04:44 PM

Interesting: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ns-by-players/

Teams can now be fined if any of their players violate these rules:

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(1) striking/kicking/kneeing; (2) horse collar tackle; (3) facemask violations; (4) leg whip; (5) late hit; (6) spearing; (7) impermissible use of helmet; (8) hit on a defenseless player; (9) blindside block; (10) roughing the passer; and (11) chop block.

Pat Sims 90 08-30-2011 04:47 PM

Pittsburgh better have their checkbook ready.

Raiderz4Life 08-30-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2663698)
Interesting: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ns-by-players/

Teams can now be fined if any of their players violate these rules:

Not sure how I feel about that...but think I'm leaning towards dislike.

BeerBaron 08-30-2011 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderz4life (Post 2663705)
Not sure how I feel about that...but think I'm leaning towards dislike.

You'll dislike this even more:


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Once players on a given team have accumulated $100,000 in fines for the various specified infractions in any season (from the first game of the preseason through the Super Bowl), the team must pay a fine of $50,000. For the next $50,000 in player fines, the team must pay another $25,000. After the cumulative fines reach $150,000 in a given season, the team’s fine matches the player’s fine at a dollar-for-dollar rate.

For suspensions, the player’s forfeited salary will be counted toward the team’s total fine amount, up to $50,000.

Trading or cutting a player doesn’t wipe off his fine amounts, and the team cannot seek reimbursement from any player for the fines that the team must pay.
He also mentions teams losing draft picks after repeat violations, the equivalent of suspending players who are frequent offenders.

Brodeur 08-30-2011 04:51 PM

I hope Bill Polian dies.

Raiderz4Life 08-30-2011 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2663708)
You'll dislike this even more:




He also mentions teams losing draft picks after repeat violations, the equivalent of suspending players who are frequent offenders.

ok yea...thats some ******** no doubt bout it

khorn 08-30-2011 04:55 PM

Lol wow, i can't help but laugh at how *** this league is turning. They weren't okay with letting the players adjust their game play, now they're pretty much making the teams enforce a pansier play style. Bill Polian is a ******* douche.

BeerBaron 08-30-2011 04:58 PM

All of this and the NFL still won't require players to wear thing or knee pads, or mandate the safest helmet.

Hines 08-30-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2663717)
All of this and the NFL still won't require players to wear thing or knee pads, or mandate the safest helmet.

Hey, don't say that!! They care about player safety!!

BeerBaron 08-30-2011 05:28 PM

Redskins make their cuts: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...from-redskins/

Most noticeable name is definitely Malcolm Kelly.

Hines 08-30-2011 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2663739)
Redskins make their cuts: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...from-redskins/

Most noticeable name is definitely Malcolm Kelly.

Ugh, I loved Kelly, Thomas, Hardy, and Sweed that year. It's terrible they never panned out.

LonghornsLegend 08-30-2011 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hines (Post 2663747)
Ugh, I loved Kelly, Thomas, Hardy, and Sweed that year. It's terrible they never panned out.

Wow. Just dawned on me how all those guys sucked ass, and while they weren't elite prospects they were pretty good. Devin Thomas suckage might have more to do with he doesn't really have a big passion to improve, because he has alot more talent then any of the others but he was supposed to be a #1 WR and he's a training camp body at KR now on his 3rd or 4th team.


I remember a bunch of Malcolm Kelly vs Limas Sweed debates on here, guess both sides won? Lol.

BeerBaron 08-30-2011 06:30 PM

The Rams look damn smart for taking Donnie Avery over them I guess....even with the knee injury causing him to miss last year, he's done more than any of those guys.

And, of course...Desean....


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