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TheFinisher 07-26-2011 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 2630437)
I'm puzzled by this move. Free is more of a LT and we have that in Donald Penn. Can he be a successful RT? I expected Tampa to go after Claboo from Atlanta. Not sure if this makes sense, but I trust Dominik.
He was originally a RT for us and started like 9 games in 09 on the right side before sliding over to the left this season. He can play either, and at a fairly high level.

diabsoule 07-26-2011 09:29 PM
RT @LeCharlesBent65: Why? Teams dont watch tape anymore. RT @ProFootballTalk: Bucs & Cowboys in dogfight 4 Doug Free http://wp.me/p14QSB-AWS

PACKmanN 07-26-2011 09:30 PM
I hope the Bears drop the ball on Mike Sims-Walker.

LonghornsLegend 07-26-2011 09:35 PM
Jesus christ listening to Jamie Dukes any longer on NFL Network is going to make me destroy my living room. ****. How do these guys get jobs again? He literally have no clue who any player is, ever. Anytime he opens his mouth he either needs the host of the show to fill in what player he's trying to talk about, or just gets it completely wrong and they correct him later.


I mean, this is NFL Network after all. Warren Sapp is just as bad but at least he gives it some character, I don't even take him serious. I'm talking about general fantasy football knowledge that's not that hard.


If he needs the host, to adlib for him who Mikel LeShoure and Titus Young are, as well as their names, what is his job again? I actually tried to listen to him talk for 5 minutes straight and he made my head hurt. This can't be the best they can do.

Ness 07-26-2011 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend (Post 2630457)
Jesus christ listening to Jamie Dukes any longer on NFL Network is going to make me destroy my living room. ****. How do these guys get jobs again? He literally have no clue who any player is, ever. Anytime he opens his mouth he either needs the host of the show to fill in what player he's trying to talk about, or just gets it completely wrong and they correct him later.


I mean, this is NFL Network after all. Warren Sapp is just as bad but at least he gives it some character, I don't even take him serious. I'm talking about general fantasy football knowledge that's not that hard.


If he needs the host, to adlib for him who Mikel LeShoure and Titus Young are, as well as their names, what is his job again? I actually tried to listen to him talk for 5 minutes straight and he made my head hurt. This can't be the best they can do.
Jamie Dukes was swinging his **** around today proclaiming "Remember when everyone laughed at me when I said Michael Vick would be a good player in this league again?"

Apparently this forgives all his other terrible evaluations.

NFL Network used to be gold with it's analysts. Back in the day with Terrell Davis, Lincoln Kennedy, and Rod Woodson. All of those guys were great.

Ness 07-26-2011 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2630429)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...lary-re-signs/

The Chargers have signed Takeo Spikes
Ahhh WTF!!! Bowman better bring his A game.

Raiderz4Life 07-26-2011 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ness (Post 2630459)
Jamie Dukes was swinging his **** around today proclaiming "Remember when everyone laughed at me when I said Michael Vick would be a good player in this league again?"

Apparently this forgives all his other terrible evaluations.

NFL Network used to be gold with it's analysts. Back in the day with Terrell Davis, Lincoln Kennedy, and Rod Woodson. All of those guys were great.
Rich Eisen Rod Woodson and TD where always my fave trio lol

V.I.P 07-26-2011 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by diabsoule (Post 2630450)
RT @LeCharlesBent65: Why? Teams dont watch tape anymore. RT @ProFootballTalk: Bucs & Cowboys in dogfight 4 Doug Free http://wp.me/p14QSB-AWS
Wait, i'm confused. Is Doug Free overrated or something?

BeerBaron 07-26-2011 09:46 PM
About this Cowboys/Bucs battle over Free, I think the Bucs will win unless Free gives Dallas a slight discount.

The Bucs were one of the teams furthest below the salary floor iirc, and will have no hesitation about spending to to move up. The Cowboys may be in trouble.

BlindSite 07-26-2011 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2630418)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...arles-johnson/

More details on the Charles Johnson deal.

They do make a good point that it's probably better that Johnson got this money than Newton, as it easily could have been without the rookie scale. So on that point, I'll concede that it isn't too bad of deal.

But damn, it's still a mind **** for Charles freaking Johnson to shoot up the list of richest defenders like that.
I'm a homer but it's really not bad value. In his first year as a starter opposite Brayton who did not record a single sack last year he was dominant in both facets of the game. He's also got a ridiculous motor.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...already-elite/

He's quite literally a top 5 defensive end and a top defender regardless of position.

Also OPs have been updated with definite signings.

BeerBaron 07-26-2011 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BlindSite (Post 2630471)
I'm a homer but it's really not bad value. In his first year as a starter opposite Brayton who did not record a single sack last year he was dominant in both facets of the game. He's also got a ridiculous motor.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...already-elite/

He's quite literally a top 5 defensive end and a top defender regardless of position.

Also OPs have been updated with definite signings.
No, just no.

ATLDirtyBirds 07-26-2011 09:48 PM
I come home to find out we lost out on Noel Devine and Charles Johnson. **** the NFL, lock this **** back out.

TheFinisher 07-26-2011 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by V-I-P (Post 2630469)
Wait, i'm confused. Is Doug Free overrated or something?
No, he's not. Free shut down just about every edge rusher we played last year, he graded out in the top 5 in both pass pro and run blocking. I don't know what that tweet was about, but Free is a stud. And I'm going to be pissed if you guys get him :(

Raiderz4Life 07-26-2011 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BlindSite (Post 2630471)
I'm a homer but it's really not bad value. In his first year as a starter opposite Brayton who did not record a single sack last year he was dominant in both facets of the game. He's also got a ridiculous motor.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...already-elite/

He's quite literally a top 5 defensive end and a top defender regardless of position.

Also OPs have been updated with definite signings.
Not a chance. Too much homer now.

BlindSite 07-26-2011 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2630474)
No, just no.
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Originally Posted by raiderz4life (Post 2630478)
Not a chance. Too much homer now.
Read the article haters.

ATLDirtyBirds 07-26-2011 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BlindSite (Post 2630479)
Read the article haters.
The article is wrong.

BeerBaron 07-26-2011 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BlindSite (Post 2630479)
Read the article haters.
Charles ******* Johnson is absolutely in no way, shape or form, a top 5 pass rusher in the NFL, much less a top 5 defender regardless of position. It's not even remotely close, and absolutely no article could ever, ever convince me that a 5th year player with 1 career double digit sack season is. It's not even up for discussion, and is in fact one of the most insane things I've ever heard said.

BlindSite 07-26-2011 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds (Post 2630481)
The article is wrong.
You're just bitter that you get to see your right tackle styled on twice a year. I watched every Panthers game this year, the dudes a beast. How can an article based on quantifiable numbers be wrong?

I'm sorry I'm not arguing over facts. Right now in the 43 defense there are not 5 players better than him at the end position.

M.O.T.H. 07-26-2011 09:55 PM
He'll more than likely stick with Dallas...but this is going to be an ugly price Dallas has to pay to keep him. Maybe north of $12 million per year.

A bidding war with the Bucs is the worst possible thing that could happen to Dallas right now.

Raiderz4Life 07-26-2011 09:55 PM
I agree with ATL and BB.

You're overrating Johnson by a lot.

bucfan12 07-26-2011 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2630470)
About this Cowboys/Bucs battle over Free, I think the Bucs will win unless Free gives Dallas a slight discount.

The Bucs were one of the teams furthest below the salary floor iirc, and will have no hesitation about spending to to move up. The Cowboys may be in trouble.
It all depends. Tampa isn't going to pay Free more money than Donald Penn, who got a 6 year 42 million. Free is coming to play RT at Tampa, if the Bucs get him.

However, the drafting of Tyron Smith doesn't exactly gurantee Free as a LT in Dallas either, from what I've heard. If the Bucs can steal Free and then resign Davin Joseph, they have just formed a dominate O-line with Penn, Larsen, Faine, Joseph and Free(left to right) to protect Freeman and plow the way for the running game.

AntoinCD 07-26-2011 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BlindSite (Post 2630471)
I'm a homer but it's really not bad value. In his first year as a starter opposite Brayton who did not record a single sack last year he was dominant in both facets of the game. He's also got a ridiculous motor.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...already-elite/

He's quite literally a top 5 defensive end and a top defender regardless of position.

Also OPs have been updated with definite signings.
Come on now!!!

Dwight Freeney
Robert Mathis
Mario Williams
Julius Peppers
Jared Allen
John Abraham
Justin Tuck
Osi Umenyiora
Elvis Dumervil

You don't necessarily have to agree with all of those but at least 5 of them are better than Johnson and they are only 43 DEs.

_YL_ 07-26-2011 09:57 PM
The 49ers and Raiders are battling for the services of free agent FS Dashon Goldson, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Nice to hear Oakland name out.

BlindSite 07-26-2011 09:57 PM
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2010

Snaps: 918
Stats: 12 sacks, 11 hits and 58 hurries. 48 defensive stops.
Grade: +43.8 (including a +32.6 for pass rushing)

2010 was the breakout year that we’d be expecting, only with a double dose of red bull. We’d pegged it before the season that Johnson was one to watch if the Panthers would give him the opportunity, but even in our wildest “told you so” moments we didn’t quite see this type of year coming.

Johnson simply obliterated right tackles.

His pass rushing numbers on the year were not just among those of the elite pass rushers, his were best of all. No defensive end had more combined sacks, hits and hurries than the 81 of Johnson and what’s more, he did it consistently throughout the year. We saw some players rack up stats in a few games as they feasted on bad opposition. Johnson just beat everyone. Outside of the opening game against the Giants, he didn’t have a single day with a negative pass rush grade and 11 times he managed an “in the green” grade of +1.0 or (considerably) more.

Take what Johnson was able to do to potential big money free agent Tyson Clabo. The Falcons’ right tackle enjoyed a successful year, especially with his pass protection. In two games against Clay Matthews for example, Clabo surrendered just one pressure to the Defensive Player of the Year candidate. In two games against Charles Johnson (including Week 17 where Johnson spent nearly half of his snaps lined up on the right side or at defensive tackle), Clabo gave up a sack, a hit and six pressures.

The only thing that stopped Johnson from being considered for the DPoY (and he should have been) was that he played on a terrible team. So I’m asking the question, is it his fault his team didn’t address the defensive tackle position, overestimated the worth of Matt Moore, or relied on rookie receivers (among other problems)?

All of this is before you even get into looking at how good a player he was in run defense. Extremely active, he has the ability to disengage and locate ball carriers, which is a large part of why he finished with 48 defensive stops (leading all defensive ends). You just need to go through his highlight reel (as I’ve had the pleasure of doing as I write this) to see how disruptive a force he is.

It’s that combined ability that had him at No. 2 in our 4-3 defensive end rankings on the year, and it’s that ability that makes me think whoever gets him is about to get a bargain, whatever the price.
For those refusing to read

Raiderz4Life 07-26-2011 09:58 PM
I was gonna go Allen, Freeney, Peppers, Super Mario, and Abraham >>>> Johnson


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