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vidae 03-15-2012 08:29 PM

Of course they're going to miss VJax. Adding Royal and Meachem helps, but VJax was their #1 WR and they added 2 #2s to try to replace him.

Taber21 03-15-2012 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 2906405)
Chargers receiving corps isn't even going to miss VJax.

Floyd
Meachem
Brown
Royal
Gates
Rookie TE

That's pretty good.

You could say this about any team, but that is a good group... if they stay healthy.

b316 03-15-2012 08:36 PM

yeah but after VJax they had like abundant number 3 and 4 wrs.

RaiderNation 03-15-2012 08:37 PM

I think the Chargers will add a big WR in the draft somewhere maybe in the 3rd. Brian Quick could fit in that offense

Splat 03-15-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 2906405)
Chargers receiving corps isn't even going to miss VJax.

Floyd
Meachem
Brown
Royal
Gates
Rookie TE

That's pretty good.

It's not a bad group by any means but saying they won't miss Jackson is a bit much.

gpngc 03-15-2012 08:45 PM

VJax was made by Rivers and was always overrated. Floyd can do pretty much everything VJax did, provided he can stay healthy.

VJax produced stats but he also made at least one boneheaded play a game. Stopping his route or a ridiculous drop.

With this group, Rivers doesn't have an egomaniac to keep interested and actually has a who can behind the secondary with speed...

Caulibflower 03-15-2012 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mightytitan9 (Post 2906365)
keyshawn was traded if i recall correctly.

if that's the case, you've got to included Moss and Welker

Yeah, I know some of them were traded, at least at some point in their career. I think the point is more about players changing teams, though. Even trading is kind of a similar situation, it's just less to do with the the player's own preferences.

Complex 03-15-2012 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 2906405)
Chargers receiving corps isn't even going to miss VJax.

Floyd
Meachem
Brown
Royal
Gates
Rookie TE

That's pretty good.

They didn't miss him when Jackson held out and like 2-3 of their WR's were injured and Gates was hurt.

nobodyinparticular 03-15-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower (Post 2906432)
Yeah, I know some of them were traded, at least at some point in their career. I think the point is more about players changing teams, though. Even trading is kind of a similar situation, it's just less to do with the the player's own preferences.

Brandon Marshall was successful in Miami, no? And yes that was a trade also.

bucfan12 03-15-2012 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Complex (Post 2906433)
They didn't miss him when Jackson held out and like 2-3 of their WR's were injured and Gates was hurt.

Thing is, Gates is on the decline. He seems nagged by injuries. Royal has been invisible since his rookie year. Meachum is a solid #2, as is Floyd.

Maybe they could be in play to make a move for Michael Floyd or Justin Blackmon in the draft.

vidae 03-15-2012 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Complex (Post 2906433)
They didn't miss him when Jackson held out and like 2-3 of their WR's were injured and Gates was hurt.

They didn't miss him? When was the last time the Chargers were in the playoffs?

Complex 03-15-2012 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 2906467)
They didn't miss him? When was the last time the Chargers were in the playoffs?

Not last year and I am 100% sure Vincent Jackson was on last years chargers team.

Bert Macklin 03-15-2012 09:16 PM

LeCharles Bentley loves the Grubbs signing

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Former New Orleans Saints center LeCharles Bentley doesn't think the Saints offense will suffer a drop-off after losing guard Carl Nicks and replacing him with Ben Grubbs in free agency. Bentley praised Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis for making an "ideal" value move.

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Bentley, who worked briefly as a media analyst in Cleveland following his playing career, now trains NFL and college offensive linemen at his O-Line Academy outside of Cleveland. He's very familiar with Grubbs, having seen him so much when he was playing for the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC North division. And he's always been impressed by what he's seen.

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"I've got to say one guy's an 8, and the other guy's a 7. There's not a big drop-off in any facet of the game, run game or pass game," said Bentley, who said a "10" on his scale is reserved for Hall of Fame-type guards like Larry Allen, Randall McDaniel and Dwight Stephenson. "In all actuality, Ben Grubbs might be a bit better in the run game."

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"He's a naturally explosive player, plays with tenacity and very good leverage," Bentley said of the 6-foot-3, 310-pound Grubbs, whom he said is more developed as a run blocker both because of how he's built and because of the Ravens' style of offense. "You're talking about a guy that is wired and built to play in a division predicated on running the football. That's gonna shine through consistently."

bucfan12 03-15-2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Complex (Post 2906474)
Not last year and I am 100% sure Vincent Jackson was on last years chargers team.

Yeah/ Phillip Rivers picked last year to have his absolute worst NFL season as well. How does that reflect on Jackson?

gpngc 03-15-2012 09:18 PM

They don't miss him when he's out because Floyd can do everything he does.

And Meachem adds a whole new dimension in terms of cutting the ass off the secondary.

With Royal and a promising youngster like Brown.

I'd rather have this group minus VJax than VJax and Floyd - who are mirror images of each other.

Bert Macklin 03-15-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 2906483)
They don't miss him when he's out because Floyd can do everything he does.

And Meachem adds a whole new dimension in terms of cutting the ass off the secondary.

With Royal and a promising youngster like Brown.

I'd rather have this group minus VJax than VJax and Floyd - who are mirror images of each other.

I love The Meech but the only new dimension he adds is "run as fast as you can downfield in a straight line and catch it"

bucfan12 03-15-2012 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 2906483)
They don't miss him when he's out because Floyd can do everything he does.

And Meachem adds a whole new dimension in terms of cutting the ass off the secondary.

With Royal and a promising youngster like Brown.

I'd rather have this group minus VJax than VJax and Floyd - who are mirror images of each other.

It's a solid group, but what impresses me about VJAX is remembering his play against Darrel Revis in the Divisional Round of the Playoffs. I believe he had 8 catches for over a 100 yards that game against Revis Island. To me, that's a true elite WR. I wouldn't be happy to lose 1 of those.

Complex 03-15-2012 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 2906481)
Yeah/ Phillip Rivers picked last year to have his absolute worst NFL season as well. How does that reflect on Jackson?

Okay then 2 years ago when Jackson held out for 10 game or w/e they didn't miss him. They didn't make the playoffs because of their special teams who cost them a couple games.

saintsfan912 03-15-2012 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52 (Post 2906116)
Curtis Lofton to visit the Saints.

That would be nice.

saintsfan912 03-15-2012 09:27 PM

Meachem just can't catch with his hands, which aggravates the hell out of me. Always uses is damn arms to catch a ball, which led to tons of drops.

bucfan12 03-15-2012 09:27 PM

Jackson 7catches 111 yds 15.9 avg. vs Revis.

Not many WRs do very well against Revis. I'm sorry, but it just seems like some charger fans are just making themselves feel better about losing there #1 weapon.

And I bet Phillip Rivers isn't too thrilled about it either.

bucfan12 03-15-2012 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan912 (Post 2906494)
That would be nice.

Saints won't pay him his 9 million a year demands, that's why the Bucs did not sign him. Apparently, they still have an offer on the table.

I don't understand. Tulloch and Lofton are both looking for contracts in the 9 million per year range? It wouldn't make sense for the Saints to meet those demands and not Carl Nicks.

saintsfan912 03-15-2012 09:32 PM

Yea, that's way too much for a LB not close to the elite category. Nevermind.

bucfan12 03-15-2012 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan912 (Post 2906510)
Yea, that's way too much for a LB not close to the elite category. Nevermind.

Yeah. I think you'll eventually see Tulloch and Lofton come back down to earth. Apparently Tampa offered him a contract in the 6 million a year range and he balked at that offer.

According to La Canfora, it's still on the table and we're monitoring the market, but won't overpay for there value.

Complex 03-15-2012 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 2906497)
Jackson 7catches 111 yds 15.9 avg. vs Revis.

Not many WRs do very well against Revis. I'm sorry, but it just seems like some charger fans are just making themselves feel better about losing there #1 weapon.

And I bet Phillip Rivers isn't too thrilled about it either.

Didn't they Revis on Gates?


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