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V.I.P 08-06-2011 10:29 PM

Mason Foster Starting MLB
 
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...cle1184726.ece

Morris said that Tyrone McKenzie would get the first start/crack at the MLB position, but i guess there's a change of plans. Foster is listed as the starter on the first depth chart (available Monday). I like Foster, but i think if he isn't ready we shouldn't just throw him in there. I would feel alot more comfortable if we had OTAs, minicamps, etc. According to Morris the starters will play a quarter, and a half the first two pre-season games. So let's just see... Thoughts?


"Mase Man" - YAYareaRB

bullg8rdaddy 08-07-2011 01:07 AM

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But when the Bucs' list of starters is released Monday, a few names could be etched in stone.
/shrugs

10char

YAYareaRB 08-07-2011 01:14 AM

yesssaaa my brotha mase!!

bullg8rdaddy 08-07-2011 01:19 AM

They changed the title of the article to this now:

Prediction: Tampa Bay Buccaneers will start rookie Mason Foster at middle linebacker

bucfan12 08-07-2011 08:59 AM

If McKenzie is good enough to be the MLB, move Foster to WLB. There was a reason Dominik drafted this guy. He's very versaitile and said he can play all 3 LB positions and most productive at WLB.

Foster's scouting report came about that his weakness was in pass coverage, however he's been solid in that department this TC.

YAYareaRB 08-07-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 2645040)
If McKenzie is good enough to be the MLB, move Foster to WLB. There was a reason Dominik drafted this guy. He's very versaitile and said he can play all 3 LB positions and most productive at WLB.

Foster's scouting report came about that his weakness was in pass coverage, however he's been solid in that department this TC.

versatile doesn't even begin to describe this guy. he quarterbacked, i repeat, quarterbacked us to a section championship in high school.

V.I.P 08-07-2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bullg8rdaddy (Post 2644984)
They changed the title of the article to this now:

Prediction: Tampa Bay Buccaneers will start rookie Mason Foster at middle linebacker

Ain't that a female dog.

Also like the Reggie Smith avi ahaha

bullg8rdaddy 08-07-2011 12:33 PM

For the record, I'm all about Mase as our starting Mike. Get him in there and let him take his lumps so that he can get better sooner rather than later.

V.I.P 08-07-2011 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bullg8rdaddy (Post 2645179)
For the record, I'm all about Mase as our starting Mike. Get him in there and let him take his lumps so that he can get better sooner rather than later.

Found this in another article on the same site..

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Foster continues to take overwhelming majority of the first-team snaps at middle linebacker. It’s pretty clear where things are going at that position. The first depth chart is released Monday, and it’s been strongly suggested to us around One Buc Place that Foster will be listed as the starter.
There has been a few MLB r4cently to start right away and produce recently, Jon Beason, Patrick Willis, Johnathon Vilma, and DaMeco Ryans, but they all were were first round picks. I know Foster's draft position has nothing to do with how he performs, so let's just wait and see.

On second thought, i think throwing him in early is a good idea. Since our defense is young (rookies, 2nd year, 3rd year players). They'll all just go through growing pains together.

etk 08-07-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by V-I-P (Post 2645210)
Found this in another article on the same site..



There has been a few MLB r4cently to start right away and produce recently, Jon Beason, Patrick Willis, Johnathon Vilma, and DaMeco Ryans, but they all were were first round picks. I know Foster's draft position has nothing to do with how he performs, so let's just wait and see.

On second thought, i think throwing him in early is a good idea. Since our defense is young (rookies, 2nd year, 3rd year players). They'll all just go through growing pains together.

More than a few....LB is one of the easiest positions to start at right out of college. It's more about reading, reacting and instincts than understanding the complexities of the game. The playbook isn't too difficult and it's not a difficult position technically. If you've got the mentality, physical ability and instincts, you can play.

The only issue is him being the "QB of the defense". He can be the MLB but I don't think he can be the guy who audibles and gets us in and out of different looks. That will take time.

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Originally Posted by YAYareaRB (Post 2645125)
versatile doesn't even begin to describe this guy. he quarterbacked, i repeat, quarterbacked us to a section championship in high school.

Thanks for the info. Is there anything else you can share about him? I know Raheem said he's a very intense, serious guy like you want in a LB.

bullg8rdaddy 08-07-2011 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by V-I-P (Post 2645210)
Found this in another article on the same site..



There has been a few MLB r4cently to start right away and produce recently, Jon Beason, Patrick Willis, Johnathon Vilma, and DaMeco Ryans, but they all were were first round picks. I know Foster's draft position has nothing to do with how he performs, so let's just wait and see.

On second thought, i think throwing him in early is a good idea. Since our defense is young (rookies, 2nd year, 3rd year players). They'll all just go through growing pains together.

DeMeco was a 2nd rounder (33rd overall), but I get what you are saying.

bucfan12 08-07-2011 07:38 PM

All I'm going to say is Black is entrenched at SLB.

The next 2 best LBs SHOULD play. If both McKenzie and Foster are flat out the next two backers, take the better at MLB and the other at WLB. Hayes is too inconsistant and is replacaeble.

bullg8rdaddy 08-08-2011 02:36 AM

Also the current F.O. and coaching staff have:
  • re-signed Black and Hayward
  • drafted Watson and Foster
  • signed McKenzie

JMHO, but I think they will be partial to these 5 going forward. Sorry Hayes, but if you don't get better and more consistent, you might be gone like Ruud.

V.I.P 08-08-2011 02:49 PM

Random article about rookie MLBs posted today, thought i'd throw it in here...

http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=52093

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Much hand-wringing has taken place over the fact Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik has deemed a college outside linebacker from the PAC-10 can be a viable starting middle linebacker in the NFL after only being a pro for a handful of days, and the start of the regular season a month away.

This scares the hell out of Joe, but this move could be a pattern.

Many Bucs fans were so angry over Team Glazer, through Dominik, for only throwing cash at a punter, that said fansí dogs were afraid to walk into the same room as their master for fear of getting kicked in the ribs.

These same fans went delirious with rage watching the Eagles sign virtually every warm body (Vince Young?!) available in order to buy a Super Bowl. Why, these same Bucs fans lost their minds so completely, they actually had the nerve to suggest on live radio no less that the Bucs should go after Braylon Edwards if you can imagine such a thing?

But lost in the hysteria over the Eagles throwing money around like Joe after Courtney the Bartender has served him multiple adult beverages was that the Eagles too plan on starting a rookie middle linebacker who hails from the PAC-10 in their march to a purchased Super Bowl.

No less an authority than the Eaglesí own official site, so documents Chris McPherson of PhiladelphiaEagles.com.

Matthews, the younger brother of Packers beastly middle linebacker Clay Matthews, was drafted in the third round just like Bucs projected rookie starting middle linebacker Mason Foster, only Foster was selected ahead of Matthews.

Could this be a growing trend of starting rookie middle linebackers? Itís very curious to Joe that a team that tried to go all Danny Snyder this season has chosen to leave such an important position to a rookie.
Eagles are starting Casey Matthews at MLB, so why not?

bucfan12 08-08-2011 02:54 PM

Like I said, the 3 best LBs will play. McKenzie started off hot and in the lead, but the more time and practice Foster has had, the better he's gotten and some predict that he will open Fridays preseason game as the starter.

Hayes, according to Morris, has had a very good camp, and has showed his work in the offseason is paying off. However, he mentioned that he was inconsistant last year, but believes if and when he puts it all together, he can be a dominate backer.

V.I.P 08-08-2011 03:51 PM

First depth chart is finally released, and Foster has the job :)

bullg8rdaddy 08-08-2011 05:13 PM

And here we............go. :)

Legacy 08-08-2011 06:01 PM

A depth chart released before the first preseason game is hardly a concrete determination of who is starting where.

It simply shows that Foster has done enough to warrant being given the opportunity to start in the first preseason game. The position battle is ongoing, guys.


By the way, if you go by the "official" depth chart, Michael Bennett is our starting LE with Bowers as the backup, even though it should probably be the other way around.

V.I.P 08-08-2011 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Legacy (Post 2646397)
By the way, if you go by the "official" depth chart, Michael Bennett is our starting LE with Bowers as the backup, even though it should probably be the other way around.

Bennett simply got the vet nod. I think Bowers has been out performing him.

bucfan12 08-08-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Legacy (Post 2646397)
A depth chart released before the first preseason game is hardly a concrete determination of who is starting where.

It simply shows that Foster has done enough to warrant being given the opportunity to start in the first preseason game. The position battle is ongoing, guys.


By the way, if you go by the "official" depth chart, Michael Bennett is our starting LE with Bowers as the backup, even though it should probably be the other way around.

Foster has been playing a lot better with the more reps he's been given.

Bowers has been clearly outperforming Bennett, but this is just the vet getting a nod. Bowers may not be the starter or he may be opening day, but the coaching staff is going to be extra careful monitoring his playing/practice time. He was given the day off by coach Morris today, even though he's suffered no swelling or soreness in his knee.

Caddy 08-09-2011 04:37 AM

I don't think it's the worst thing in the world that Bowers is #2. I mean, in a perfect world you'd have three great ends getting 33% of the snaps each.

brasho 08-09-2011 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 2645040)
If McKenzie is good enough to be the MLB, move Foster to WLB. There was a reason Dominik drafted this guy. He's very versaitile and said he can play all 3 LB positions and most productive at WLB.

Foster's scouting report came about that his weakness was in pass coverage, however he's been solid in that department this TC.

The Will in the T-2 MUST be able to defend the pass (that being said, so should the Mike). Derrick Brooks, Cato June, Lance Briggs, Beason were all Wills in the T-2, Urlacher, Vilma (in NY), Quarles, Mike Peterson, and Nickerson were all Mikes... and what do they all have in common? THey excel in coverage. If Foster is doing to struggle in coverage, the only place to put him is off the field in nickel situations and at Sam during other situations.

brasho 08-09-2011 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Caddy (Post 2646761)
I don't think it's the worst thing in the world that Bowers is #2. I mean, in a perfect world you'd have three great ends getting 33% of the snaps each.

You mean 66% of the snaps each, right?

brasho 08-09-2011 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V-I-P (Post 2645210)
Found this in another article on the same site..



There has been a few MLB r4cently to start right away and produce recently, Jon Beason, Patrick Willis, Johnathon Vilma, and DaMeco Ryans, but they all were were first round picks. I know Foster's draft position has nothing to do with how he performs, so let's just wait and see.

On second thought, i think throwing him in early is a good idea. Since our defense is young (rookies, 2nd year, 3rd year players). They'll all just go through growing pains together.

And Urlacher was a guy that was thrown into the Mike position during his rookie year (after practicing at Sam) and he's turned out okay.... especially considering he was more like a safety in college.

brasho 08-09-2011 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etk (Post 2645306)
More than a few....LB is one of the easiest positions to start at right out of college. It's more about reading, reacting and instincts than understanding the complexities of the game. The playbook isn't too difficult and it's not a difficult position technically. If you've got the mentality, physical ability and instincts, you can play.

The only issue is him being the "QB of the defense". He can be the MLB but I don't think he can be the guy who audibles and gets us in and out of different looks. That will take time.



Thanks for the info. Is there anything else you can share about him? I know Raheem said he's a very intense, serious guy like you want in a LB.

Two words---helmet headset.

That being said, only one player is allowed on the field with the green dot on their helmets (headset helmets)... and according to witnesses and Morris himself, right now the plan is to play Geno and Quincy in the nickel (4-2-5) alignments... so who'll be wearing the helmet headset this season? Or will we still have it on the Mike even if he's coming off the field in nickel situations (33-50% of the time)?


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