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onejayhawk 09-23-2011 06:28 PM

Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
 
I am gong to the game tomorrow. In addition to the obvious, is ther anything I should watch? He will probably not be under much pressure, since they are playing Engineering Geek U (Rice).

J

onejayhawk 09-25-2011 07:47 AM

Impressive. You would have to be with more TD passes than incompletions. That is for the season BTW.

The dude has RB in his soul. During the 2 minute drill, at the end of the first half, he pulled one down and ran for daylight. 35 yards, Two nice cuts and some broken tackles later, he was inside the the 5. Rather than play it safe, he went airborn, got hit from two directions, and coughed up the ball. Had they scored it would have been 42-17 at half.

As expected, RG III stayed in the pocket most of his time (he came out with 5 minutes left in the 3rd Quarter). He did some things very well. Kendal Wright set the school TD mark on a sweet sideline route, in the red zone. The catch was pretty, but the throw could not have been better. Ganaway got his first career TD on a little delayed flair, probably the third or fourth guy on the tree. Ganaway is your basic moose RB. He stayed in to block, then released in the flat.

Probably the most impressive play was the 4th TD pass of the first quarter. With the ball at the Rice 29, RG III got moved out of the pocket. He had room to run, but kept his head up and found a receiver (Lanear Sampson) single covered in the end zone. As against TCU, he visibly controlled the urge to run. On that play it paid gold.

Rice was not a good test. Baylor got up 28 points, then gave a bunch back. The team does not know how to play with a lead. It was nowhere near as close as the 56-35 final score. That being said, Rice does have a good QB. At the level they play, they should do decently.

I also have to second what Scott said concerning Kendall Wright. This guy is an NFL WR. His stats look much better when you consider that three of his receptions were in the flat, for little or no yardage. Baylor threw in the flat a LOT. Essentially their WR are part of the running game.

J

SeanTaylorRIP 09-25-2011 10:26 AM

For me the most impressive thing about RGIII is even when he's throwing on the run he always sets his feet beautifully and squares his shoulders before making a throw, he doesn't simply rely on arm strength. I think you can tighten his mechanics a bit but give his athleticism and continually improving mechanics and understanding of the game he has first round pick written all over him. He plays the way most thought Jake Locker should have in college.

TheFinisher 09-25-2011 11:42 AM

Best QB not named Luck and future top 10 pick.

How's that for a bold statement?

onejayhawk 09-26-2011 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP (Post 2688576)
For me the most impressive thing about RGIII is even when he's throwing on the run he always sets his feet beautifully and squares his shoulders before making a throw, he doesn't simply rely on arm strength. I think you can tighten his mechanics a bit but give his athleticism and continually improving mechanics and understanding of the game he has first round pick written all over him. He plays the way most thought Jake Locker should have in college.

Agree on the throwing on the run. The one I mentioned, he did a little skip to reset his feet before throwing.

Who do you think the best comparison is? None of the really mobile QBs in the NFL seem to fit.

FUNBUNCHER 09-26-2011 07:09 AM

RObert Griffin doesn't have any easy comparisons. He's probably going to time 4.45 or faster at the combine, however he isn't a great broken field runner but he is very mobile.

Looks like he's a legit 6'2, 220#. His passing has improved dramatically the last two seasons and his arm strength is ideal.

Robert Griffin III is somewhere IMO between Vick and Rodgers as a prospect. Athletic skills very close to Vick, but his vision and passing ability are more refined.

With the success of Cam Newton, I think Robert Griffin's draft stock is going to sky rocket.
Now if Baylor can pull off an upset of one of the major Big 12 programs and make it to a bowl game, RGIII will potentially solidify himself as a top 10 prospect.


TCU was a nice win, but beating Rice and Stephen F. Austin doesn't impress.

Baylor is about to start their Big 12 schedule. All will be revealed beginning with a game next Saturday against a solid K-State team in Manhattan.

SolidGold 09-26-2011 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 2691156)
RObert Griffin doesn't have any easy comparisons. He's probably going to time 4.45 or faster at the combine, however he isn't a great broken field runner but he is very mobile.

Looks like he's a legit 6'2, 220#. His passing has improved dramatically the last two seasons and his arm strength is ideal.

Robert Griffin III is somewhere IMO between Vick and Rodgers as a prospect. Athletic skills very close to Vick, but his vision and passing ability are more refined.

With the success of Cam Newton, I think Robert Griffin's draft stock is going to sky rocket.
Now if Baylor can pull off an upset of one of the major Big 12 programs and make it to a bowl game, RGIII will potentially solidify himself as a top 10 prospect.


TCU was a nice win, but beating Rice and Stephen F. Austin doesn't impress.

Baylor is about to start their Big 12 schedule. All will be revealed beginning with a game next Saturday against a solid K-State team in Manhattan.

What would Newton's success have to do with Griffin? Just curious. I like the Aaron Rodgers comparison for Griffin.

FUNBUNCHER 09-26-2011 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold (Post 2691161)
What would Newton's success have to do with Griffin? Just curious.

Athletic spread QBs, very superficial similarities. Mobile, good arms and decent mechanics, both from similar college systems but whom scouts might perceive as raw pro prospects.

The one knock on Cam was his lack of big time starting experience. Griffin will be a 4 year starter with a ton of snaps at QB.
Whenever an athletic spread QB shows well in the pros, IMO it helps the next guy who comes into the league after him.

WCH 09-26-2011 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold (Post 2691161)
I like the Aaron Rodgers comparison for Griffin.

I do too. I've seen every pass AR has thrown in the NFL, and Griffin is the same type of passer. He also has very similar mobility. His mechanics could stand some work, but he has other skills that I don't think you can teach. He's my clear-cut #2 QB prospect at this point.

If I were an owner in position to draft him, I'd take him and sit him behind a seasoned veteran QB like McNabb or Peyton for a couple of years and then give him his chance -- just like GB did with Rodgers.

BuddyCHRIST 09-26-2011 09:13 AM

Your insane if you'd let anyone sit behind McNabb, dunno if anyone's gone to horrible so quickly. Wrong board but needed to be said.l

WCH 09-26-2011 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BuddyCHRIST (Post 2691237)
Your insane if you'd let anyone sit behind McNabb, dunno if anyone's gone to horrible so quickly. Wrong board but needed to be said.l

Yeah, I agree. Dude fell off a cliff last season, and doesn't look much better now. I do think that he's clever enough to help a teach a younger guy a few tricks, though -- even if he can't get it done himself, anymore.

I may be in the minority, but I think that young QBs really benefit from sitting on the bench for a year or two.

SolidGold 09-26-2011 09:24 AM

I think Jones and Barkley are both better pro prospects. Griffin would probably be wise to see who stays and who declares this year. Next year's QB class (2013) is not very strong.

FUNBUNCHER 09-26-2011 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold (Post 2691244)
I think Jones and Barkley are both better pro prospects. Griffin would probably be wise to see who stays and who declares this year. Next year's QB class (2013) is not very strong.

Did RGIII RS at some point at Baylor??? This is his 4th year.

SolidGold 09-26-2011 10:45 AM

He is listed as a Junior on the Baylor website.

ElectricEye 09-26-2011 10:49 AM

I'm a very big fan of Griffin as well and have been vocal about it in the past. He has all the tools to be a very good player in the NFL even taking his legs out of the equation. On top of that, he has the right mentality as a passer and is a great kid with phenomenal intangibles.

crisco0710 09-26-2011 11:48 AM

I always liked Griffin in high school but once I read this I really had a better appreciation for his work ethic.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/cont...05texfoot.html

Every night around 7 p.m., the red hazard lights on the sport-utility vehicle blinked along FM 116, a rural road in Copperas Cove, as cars passed by with caution.
About 100 meters in front of the car was a kid, running on the shoulder of the road as hard and as fast as possible.
The hill at that stretch of the road was about 800 meters long and perfect for training.
And that's where, after football practice, after a long day of school, studying and hard work, Robert Griffin went the extra mile.
It was dark and dangerous and difficult.
Griffin, the freshman quarterback of the Baylor Bears, enjoyed every minute.
"That's what I always remember about Robert," Copperas Cove coach Jack Welch said. "After practice, when everybody else was home eating dinner and showering, he would be running up and down that hill with his parents in the car behind him. He was still training. He always outworked everybody."
Griffin — a former high school star who led the Bulldawgs to back-to-back Class 4A runner-up finishes — is now leading Baylor , in his first year on campus. He enters Saturday's game against No. 5 Texas as the top freshman quarterback in the country.

FUNBUNCHER 09-26-2011 11:57 AM

^^^This.

That's the kind of mental focus it takes to be successful in the NFL for a QB.

Caulibflower 09-26-2011 12:37 PM

I would be OK with the Seahawks drafting Griffin if they don't get Luck. I'd rather Griffin than Barkley.

ATLDirtyBirds 09-26-2011 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye (Post 2691317)
I'm a very big fan of Griffin as well and have been vocal about it in the past. He has all the tools to be a very good player in the NFL even taking his legs out of the equation. On top of that, he has the right mentality as a passer and is a great kid with phenomenal intangibles.



All of this applies to me as well.

stephenson86 09-26-2011 01:58 PM

He got hurt and red-shirted one year, can't remember which it was. Kid has always been a baller from the first snap at Baylor.

onejayhawk 09-26-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stephenson86 (Post 2691484)
He got hurt and red-shirted one year, can't remember which it was. Kid has always been a baller from the first snap at Baylor.

He lost his second year to injury. IIRC he laready has his degree.

J

Hurricanes25 09-26-2011 07:41 PM

I love RG3. He's a QB who could also run, not a runner who thinks he can pass.

ElectricEye 09-26-2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by onejayhawk (Post 2691815)
He lost his second year to injury. IIRC he laready has his degree.

J

Which he got a year early anyway. Just more evidence to how impressive a kid he is.

shylo3716 09-26-2011 07:48 PM

Soooooooo is he gone or not after this season?

Caulibflower 09-26-2011 09:16 PM

If he already has his degree and will be a first-round pick, yes. Count on it.


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