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bigfreak314 09-28-2011 08:17 AM

Young DLine improving!
 
I did not get a chance to watch the entire ATL vs Tampa game but I caught the second half and was impressed with the pressure we put on Matt Ryan. I have been raving about Gerald McCoy and Adrian Clayborn and now Brain Price is almost healthy. I came across this article this morning

http://www.bucsnation.com/2011/9/27/...g-the-pressure


I believe Monday night will be the Bucs coming out party to the national world. Can't wait! What are your thoughts so far??

Caddy 09-28-2011 08:28 AM

The D-Line was awesome against the Falcons and they are only going to get better. Price/McCoy will be an awesome pass rushing duo in the middle and Roy Miller/Frank Okam are pretty awesome for depth and extra muscle. Clayborn notched his first sack which was awesome and Bennet is looking like a competent starter. I'm hoping Bowers starts to get some more playing time which he hasn't really been getting so far.

Either way we have a promising future and I expect that to be on display this week. Raheem will have plenty of blitzes ready to give Painter hell.

bucfan12 09-28-2011 10:29 AM

Not only do I love the talent of this defensive line with Price in the fold to team up with McCoy, Clayborn, and BEnnett/Bowers, but how about Mason Foster? Man, this kid is a beast. Best LB in the draft? Yep, I said it, better than Von Miller. This guy is just got "IT" on defense.

McCoy has been remarkable this year. Sure all the moron analysts are saying he doesn't have a sack, but look at the way he's playing. He's being held consistantly because he can't be blocked. That Clayborn sack on Ryan was vicious and he and McCoy were both held on that play.

Me Likey Rookies 09-28-2011 03:40 PM

Foster is not better than Von Miller, but speaking of Miller, we have our own version in Dekoda Watson. Watson has the same great getoff in a 2 point stance.

bucfan12 09-28-2011 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Me Likey Rookies (Post 2693702)
Foster is not better than Von Miller, but speaking of Miller, we have our own version in Dekoda Watson. Watson has the same great getoff in a 2 point stance.

A lot of scouts and draft gurus said that Foster will most likely outperform his draft position and might have been a late 1st round pick if he played at a high profile school. Sure Washington is a Pac 10 school, but they haven't been very good and rarely have gotten the prime-time spotlight.

I love Dekota Watson. I honestly think that Quincy Black is not a top 3 LB on this team. He was overpaid and Geno Hayes has been very solid. It sucks that Quincy Black will limit Dekota Watsons playing time when Black returns, as Rah already said Black will be the starting SLB when helathy, however Foster will remain the MIKE on all 3 downs.

bigbuc 09-28-2011 09:45 PM

I love the way we are playing our D line. McCoy is been in the backfield a lot! I'm not knocking him when I say this, but I think the better pass rusher is Price. The guy explodes off the ball... If anyone on the Bucs looks like Sapp its this kid. Plus he's doing it on blood and guts playing at 65%.

Caddy 09-28-2011 11:04 PM

I think the reason it might appear that way is because McCoy is demanding more coverage from opposing lines, although McCoy is still getting more pressures on the QB. Plus I'm pretty sure they've been saying Price is around 90% healthy now. There is no way they'd let him play at 65%.

bucfan12 09-29-2011 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Caddy (Post 2694258)
I think the reason it might appear that way is because McCoy is demanding more coverage from opposing lines, although McCoy is still getting more pressures on the QB. Plus I'm pretty sure they've been saying Price is around 90% healthy now. There is no way they'd let him play at 65%.

Yeah, Price is probably about 90% recovered from the injury, however I'm not 100% sure what his weight is at right now. I doubt he got down from 350+lbs to around 310-315 in a matter of two months. I say he's about 330s range right now, but he's still playing great. I just hope they limit him. He's recovering from a rare injury and procedure with his hamstring so. Lets hope he stays healthy.

V.I.P 09-29-2011 12:51 AM

I don't wanna jump the gun and say our D-line "turned the corner" vs Atlanta.. Because you know ... Atlanta O-line is terrible, and leading the league in QB pressures given up.

bucfan12 09-29-2011 02:57 AM

What I can't figure out about the Falcons o-line is they were solid/very good last year. There problem was Sam Baker really regressed from his rookie year.

bigbuc 09-30-2011 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 2694484)
Yeah, Price is probably about 90% recovered from the injury, however I'm not 100% sure what his weight is at right now. I doubt he got down from 350+lbs to around 310-315 in a matter of two months. I say he's about 330s range right now, but he's still playing great. I just hope they limit him. He's recovering from a rare injury and procedure with his hamstring so. Lets hope he stays healthy.

I wish Price was at 90%, but he's not no way. Did you see 2 weeks ago in the Minny game when McNabb rolled to his left and ran for the first down? Price had to pull up after four steps because he still can get his hammy right.

Also the Monday after the ATL game this is on JoeBucsfan.com

http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=54721

Price told Joe he's still at only about 65%. Crazy what this guy will do at 90% like you said.

bigfreak314 09-30-2011 08:24 PM

McCoy doesn't get a lot of pub because the media puts so much emphasis on sacks but he has been creating havoc every week. I think Offensive Coordinators have to scheme against him now. If not they are dumb, we have another shaky O Line coming up on Monday Night Football so I can see a repeat of what happened last week. Shaky or not getting pressure build confidence and allows the group to grow.

bigfreak314 09-30-2011 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 2694484)
Yeah, Price is probably about 90% recovered from the injury, however I'm not 100% sure what his weight is at right now. I doubt he got down from 350+lbs to around 310-315 in a matter of two months. I say he's about 330s range right now, but he's still playing great. I just hope they limit him. He's recovering from a rare injury and procedure with his hamstring so. Lets hope he stays healthy.

I wouldn't be suprised if Price was heavier than 330 he looks huge but he still moves so well to be so big. After that sack on Ryan when they showed a close up of Price I wouldn't be surprised if he was 350. Imagine how disruptive he would be around 300 lbs!

Caddy 09-30-2011 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbuc (Post 2695415)
I wish Price was at 90%, but he's not no way. Did you see 2 weeks ago in the Minny game when McNabb rolled to his left and ran for the first down? Price had to pull up after four steps because he still can get his hammy right.

Also the Monday after the ATL game this is on JoeBucsfan.com

http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=54721

Price told Joe he's still at only about 65%. Crazy what this guy will do at 90% like you said.

I don't buy that at all. If the hamstrings were at 65%, the team would be insane to play him.

etk 10-03-2011 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Caddy (Post 2695639)
I don't buy that at all. If the hamstrings were at 65%, the team would be insane to play him.

You're not buying that he's a year removed from having his hamstrings screwed to his pelvis and he barely even started walking this summer, so surely he's close to 100% by now. Price knows his own body better than we do, and if he says 65 then that's how he feels. He's just so talented that even at 65% he's still our best lineman.

bucfan12 10-03-2011 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by etk (Post 2699418)
You're not buying that he's a year removed from having his hamstrings screwed to his pelvis and he barely even started walking this summer, so surely he's close to 100% by now. Price knows his own body better than we do, and if he says 65 then that's how he feels. He's just so talented that even at 65% he's still our best lineman.

I still think that's a bit out of line to say he's the Bucs best lineman. It all starts with Gerald McCoy. He's creating these opportunities for these guys, just like last year. The only difference is, theres FINALLY talent around him and guys are stepping up. Price has been phenomenal along with Clayborn. But McCoy is getting double-teamed constantly and he's breaking those double-teams by getting penetration. The stats aren't there yet, but he's freeing up Price and Clayborn and Bennett to make plays, along with Foster and Watson.

Caddy 10-03-2011 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by etk (Post 2699418)
You're not buying that he's a year removed from having his hamstrings screwed to his pelvis and he barely even started walking this summer, so surely he's close to 100% by now. Price knows his own body better than we do, and if he says 65 then that's how he feels. He's just so talented that even at 65% he's still our best lineman.

I'll buy that he is at 65% fitness levels, but there is zero chance his hamstrings are 65% healthy. What team would let a player who has suffered such a drastic injury back on the field before they thought he was close to 100% healthy in regards to the strength of the effected muscles?

bigbuc 10-04-2011 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Caddy (Post 2699752)
I'll buy that he is at 65% fitness levels, but there is zero chance his hamstrings are 65% healthy. What team would let a player who has suffered such a drastic injury back on the field before they thought he was close to 100% healthy in regards to the strength of the effected muscles?

Did you see tonight's game? Did you see when his hammy locked up on him? There is no way the guys at 90%... Players body's don't do that at 90%. Also Caddy, why is it so hard to take Price's word for it? He's the one walking around all day in pain. Not you. Is his fitness levels not up to our liking... yes. The guy could not walk for over six months. At the start of camp the Bucs were talking about not having him for the season.

Caddy 10-04-2011 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbuc (Post 2700352)
Did you see tonight's game? Did you see when his hammy locked up on him? There is no way the guys at 90%... Players body's don't do that at 90%. Also Caddy, why is it so hard to take Price's word for it? He's the one walking around all day in pain. Not you. Is his fitness levels not up to our liking... yes. The guy could not walk for over six months. At the start of camp the Bucs were talking about not having him for the season.

I can easily buy him being at 90%. Cramping could easily be a direct result of his fitness levels still needing some work, which I believe is the case. If a player is returning from injury I think the common sense view is to assume they are as close to healthy as is safe for them to play. Someone who has had their hamstrings reattached would not play at 65% medical recovery. Perhaps what Price meant by saying he was at 65% was that he thought he could improve his play/ability on the field by 35% which would come from increased fitness levels and more game time and time on the practice field.

V.I.P 10-04-2011 02:56 AM

D-line has been clicking last couple weeks, and i like it

bigfreak314 10-04-2011 08:26 AM

We haven't gone against the greatest O lines of all time, Indy was pretty much throwing guys off the street upfront because they were running out of bodies. With that said, WOW Adrian Clayborn is crazy fast off the line. I have been watching all the other games but he looks like he is at another level now, I don't know if its comfort level with the defense or what. Michael Bennett had a breakout game with 2 sacks and a FF. McCoy was yet again disruptive, I maybe biased but he may very well be headed for a pro bowl season. I am a firm believer that success breeds confidence so he banged up oline or not we bring some confidence on our way to London and hopefully carries us threw the rest of the season.

bucfan12 10-04-2011 10:30 AM

Bennett was phenomenal, as well as Clayborn and McCoy. Don't forget about Bowers. He didn't get a sack, but he had a bat-down at the line and was very good against the run when he was in.

Me Likey Rookies 10-04-2011 06:31 PM

Now that Clayborn is developing his speed rush, his inside rush has become even better. This Dline is our greatest hope of beating the Saints and winning the division.

bucfan12 10-04-2011 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Me Likey Rookies (Post 2701001)
Now that Clayborn is developing his speed rush, his inside rush has become even better. This Dline is our greatest hope of beating the Saints and winning the division.

Yeah, but our safety play is very weak. Every writer and analyst is blaming Talib for that 87 yard blown coverage, but what they don't know is Sean Jones was out of position, AGAIN!

Caddy 10-04-2011 11:53 PM

I think safety was obviously a weakness of this team heading into free agency, the draft and the season. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, because it means we have improved at more important positions. If we get mediocre play out of the safeties and possibly get Tanard back, we should be in a good position.


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