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Scott Wright 12-10-2011 12:18 PM

12/11/11 - Mock Draft 3.0
 
The third mock draft of the year has been posted!


As always constructive criticism is not only welcomed but encouraged. However, please be sure to explain the reasoning behind your opinions just like I do in the mock or risk being infracted.

Let's keep this thread fun and informative!

Now... FIRE AWAY! :)

Scott Wright 12-10-2011 12:19 PM

I pulled an all-nighter to knock this one out so I am going to grab a nap.

I will check in this evening to answer questions in this thread though.

coordinator0 12-10-2011 12:33 PM

Perfect Ravens pick, and your explanation of other possible needs was spot-on as well.

regoob2 12-10-2011 12:42 PM

You dont think Alshon Jeffery would be a better pick for Chicago?

vidae 12-10-2011 01:05 PM

Mehhhh, not that NT isn't an issue for the Chiefs, because it is, but mehhh on Poe.

I'm not a big Reiff fan but would prefer him to Poe for sure.

This year the Chiefs could literally go in any direction though.

cmarq83 12-10-2011 01:05 PM

Scott I really dislike this draft for the Patriots. For as terrible as the Patriots defense is DT and CB are really the only 2 spots where there is a good amount of talent. The Pats have McCourty, Arrington, and Dowling at corner, and while Dowling is hurt and McCourty has sucked this year, I think they'll be content to go into next year with that group. The only corner I could see going to the Pats in that range is Jenkins because of his talent level and the Urban Meyer-BB connection. Dennard isn't a good enough prospect to take with the talent the Pats have there now.

I like Thompson, but he really isn't what the Pats need. They need a pass rush sub to take the place of Mike Wright and Jarvis Green. Kyle Love and Vince Wilfork are the 2 best players on the Pats defense this year, so an upgrade is hardly a need. I'll take those 2, Deaderick, Brace, Warren, and Pryor next year as a rotation, so we can address other needs. The Pats need to go with the top back 7 talent they can get.

With the board shaking out that way I'd go Te'o and Upshaw and not look back.

PossibleCabbage 12-10-2011 01:10 PM

I just had a forty minute discussion with some linguist friends about whether this "and" should be an "or" since this Philadelphia has never selected both an offensive lineman and a defensive lineman in the first round of the same draft.

Quote:

Throughout the years this Philadelphia regime has also shown an inclination toward selecting offensive and defensive lineman in the first round
I'm not going to share any of it with you.

Anyway, nice work Scott.

Paul 12-10-2011 01:11 PM

I understand the reasoning for the Cowboys pick, but CB and Interior Oline are MUCH bigger needs for us right now. Another rush backer would be nice, but with Decastro, Cordy Glenn, Janoris Jenkins and Dennard still on the board, I'll likely punt a small innocent creature if we didn't take one of them.

DeepThreat 12-10-2011 01:14 PM

I can't argue with the picks based on who's available, but man, I want a quarterback.

And I would be shocked if the Browns end up picking so low. They have one winnable game left on the schedule.

Sloopy 12-10-2011 01:18 PM

Not bad for the Ravens :)

On a side note, I was somewhat surprised that Mike Adams fell out of your round one. I like Zebrie and think he is well worth a late 1st but I consider Mike Adams to be one of the top OT prospects.

Just wondering what your thought process was :)

shylo3716 12-10-2011 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright (Post 2782657)
I pulled an all-nighter to knock this one out so I am going to grab a nap.

I will check in this evening to answer questions in this thread though.

Cleveland picks are very understandable, especially Richardson at #6 but don't you think the Browns should take a guy like Tannehill with their 2nd pick, because he could potentially have a season under his belt ala Dalton. My understanding is that by bringing in both Richardson & Floyd there will be no excuses for McCoy next season.

Melvin Ingram- Not so much disputing anything on him but will he be projected as an OLB or that is just your assessment on him?

San Fran pick is very logical thinking on your behalf with Wright. I believe he would be very valuable in that spot due to the fact if they keep Ginn or not.

Still no "Miller Time" in the 1st, is he really that hard to project a 1st Round slot for?

Razor 12-10-2011 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cmarq83 (Post 2782679)
Scott I really dislike this draft for the Patriots. For as terrible as the Patriots defense is DT and CB are really the only 2 spots where there is a good amount of talent. The Pats have McCourty, Arrington, and Dowling at corner, and while Dowling is hurt and McCourty has sucked this year, I think they'll be content to go into next year with that group. The only corner I could see going to the Pats in that range is Jenkins because of his talent level and the Urban Meyer-BB connection. Dennard isn't a good enough prospect to take with the talent the Pats have there now.

I complete agree with this.

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Originally Posted by cmarq83 (Post 2782679)
I like Thompson, but he really isn't what the Pats need. They need a pass rush sub to take the place of Mike Wright and Jarvis Green. Kyle Love and Vince Wilfork are the 2 best players on the Pats defense this year, so an upgrade is hardly a need. I'll take those 2, Deaderick, Brace, Warren, and Pryor next year as a rotation, so we can address other needs. The Pats need to go with the top back 7 talent they can get.

With the board shaking out that way I'd go Te'o and Upshaw and not look back.

I strongly disagree with this. I don't like Thompson at all. He has no pass rushing ability what so ever, so how would he be a penetrating 3-tech in sub packages? And why would we draft a third round talent in the first round? I'd go Kendall Wright with this pick the way the board is shaping up. Wright has a skill set that fits the NE offense and will infuse some youth into an aging group of receivers.

TACKLE 12-10-2011 01:38 PM

Taze at 6? Huh? Am I missing something?

Burfict might be my favorite prospect in this draft but his stock is descending pretty significantly. His play had a notably dropped off this year as he wasn't even honorable mention All-Pac 12. I know you recognized it as a reach but 6th pick in the 2nd round seems far more likely at this point.

Some other picks here that seemed off but I'll let everyone else yell at you about those. :P

cmarq83 12-10-2011 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 278271)

I strongly disagree with this. I don't like Thompson at all. He has no pass rushing ability what so ever, so how would he be a penetrating 3-tech in sub packages? And why would we draft a third round talent in the first round? I'd go Kendall Wright with this pick the way the board is shaping up. Wright has a skill set that fits the NE offense and will infuse some youth into an aging group of receivers.

That was essentially my analysis. I was saying he couldn't do those things which is why we wouldn't take him. He's a rich man's Brandon Deaderick.

draftguru151 12-10-2011 01:46 PM

Please let RG3 to Miami happen.

shylo3716 12-10-2011 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TACKLE (Post 2782719)
Taze at 6? Huh? Am I missing something?

Burfict might be my favorite prospect in this draft but his stock is descending pretty significantly. His play had a notably dropped off this year as he wasn't even honorable mention All-Pac 12. I know you recognized it as a reach but 6th pick in the 2nd round seems far more likely at this point.

Some other picks here that seemed off but I'll let everyone else yell at you about those. :P

I will speak up on behalf of the Philly guys & myself. We are in dire need of a LB. Look at our roster & look at the value board and please tell me who do we select at #6, because no other position warrants any consideration for us that high. Scott is spot on for us especially that high, he wouldn't have gone wrong with Kuechly either, but I believe Burfict is spot on that high.

Miaoww 12-10-2011 02:09 PM

I think Coples is a reach for Carolina. Hardy and Johnson aren't the problem with that defence, it's pretty much everyone else (bar Beason, Anderson and Gamble).

vidae 12-10-2011 02:09 PM

If the Eagles need a LB that badly they can move back with KC! We'll move up, take RG3, and you can move back to the teens.

It's win win baby!

shylo3716 12-10-2011 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vidae (Post 2782752)
If the Eagles need a LB that badly they can move back with KC! We'll move up, take RG3, and you can move back to the teens.

It's win win baby!


Go_Eagles77 12-10-2011 02:13 PM

I would throw my TV out the window if the eagles picked Burfict over RG3.

shylo3716 12-10-2011 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go_Eagles77 (Post 2782760)
I would throw my TV out the window if the eagles picked Burfict over RG3.

You really think we would consider taking RG3 in the Top 6 if we stay there?

Babylon 12-10-2011 02:21 PM

Seattle

Just ok with the Landry Jones pick. Not that concerned about a few bad games this year because he really misses Broyles, just dont see the wow factor there. If i had to compare this pick on the upside i'd go back to the Giants drafting Phil Simms (that turned out well).

Local boy David DeCastro to the Titans is a great pick for all involved. Another local, Benji Olson, had a great career there. Hey Scott, did the Titans fans in here pay you off for that pick?

Go_Eagles77 12-10-2011 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shylo3716 (Post 2782761)
You really think we would consider taking RG3 in the Top 6 if we stay there?

Yes. RG3 is Andy Reid's wet dream (and mine, but I'm not making the picks for the eagles)

You honestly think the eagles would pick a LB in the top 10, let alone a LB whose value is probably in the late 1st/early 2nd range? (that's not even taking the serious character issues into account) They'll be just as well off grabbing a Te'o/Upshaw/Hightower in the 30s.

Plus they'll have a potentially elite young signal caller who is a perfect fit in our offense, who can sit behind Vick for a year or 2 (and start for the 6 or so games Vick is guarenteed to be hurt each year) then take over as the franchise QB (then probably trade Vick for a high round pick).

If our offense makes inaccurate QBs like McNabb and Vick look like top 5 QBs, imagine what RG3 can do here.

princefielder28 12-10-2011 02:36 PM

Upshaw is a great choice for Green Bay

like that Zeitler got into round one as well

Csna 12-10-2011 02:42 PM

If the Pats did draft a CB id rather have Minnifield then Dennard


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