2012 Draft Patriots Prospect Scouting Report Archives
So I've been loving all the scouting reports that guys like EE and AntoinCD have been doing, so I thought it would be a good idea to keep them all in one spot. This way whenever we do one we can post it here, and we can customize the reports to talk about where they'd fit with the Patriots. I'll constantly update the OP with a list and links to each prospect so we can find them quickly. So here it goes:
Harrison Smith, Safety, Notre Dame
6’2” 215, Projected 40 time: 4.55
Possible Draft Slot: 3rd-4th round
2011 Stats: 84 Tackles, 1 FF, 10 PD
2010 Stats: 96 Tackles, 7 Interceptions, 7 PD
- Excellent Size and Speed combination
- Leadership+, basically held ND together in the middle of the season after Brian Kelly publically put down half the team.
- Excellent tackler who takes great angles to the football
- Adequate centerfielder, if he’s allowed to play the QB’s eyes he can break up a lot of passes
- Very instinctive
- Can match up physically with Tight Ends at the next level
- Hips are a little stiff
- Ball skills are less than satisfactory despite his 7 interceptions in 2010
- Had a brutal start to his career at ND
- Probably a better fit at SS than FS
- While he’s a good tackler, he’s not necessarily an enforcer in the secondary
Analysis for Pats: Basically he’s a guy who is very similar to Chung in a lot of respects. He fits the workman-like, smart football player mold BB usually goes for with his players. He’s a guy who I could see as a 3rd safety on this team for a long time in a James Sanders type roll. He’s kind of a jack of all trades, master of none kind of guy. With Chung in a contract year, and a pitiful looking safety depth chart I could see BB going with him in the 3rd, and maybe selecting a higher upside safety or even a CB conversion guy along with him.
Why not just link to the scouting reports in you original post? Easier to get an overview that way imo. But great idea to make this thread, this will come in handy. :)
With school fulltime and two kids... I've had little time to watch any tape on potential Patriots.
Not a demand but I'll leave a list of guys I'd like to see a scouting report on.
You guys have been doing a great job. Thanks!
You're the reason I don't feel completely out of the loop.
I figured getting consumed in the draft process would water down this current void I have in my soul.
M. Sanu WR
TJ Graham WR
I've just really started getting into tape now so I'll get bck on this.
May I ask where you get your resources?
Have you simply DVR'd an ass bunch of games or is there a sight... or?
Well youtube actually has alot of good resources now to get a first impression
I also use tenyardtracker.com to get some relevant NCAA games as I find it is SO much easier to rewind, forward etc with the pc than a DVR.
-Absolutely phenomenal size and athleticism
-Looks the prototypical 5 technique
-Huge length and arms and knows how to play with leverage
-Fantastic lower body strength and plays with real power
-Gives good effort on plays that are run away from him
-Can either stack and shed against offensive linemen or split double teams
-Huge upside and potential
-Could realistically add 5 or 10 pounds and keep his athleticism
-Plays with heavy hands
-Very, very raw
-Pass rush technique is almost solely limited to bull rushing
-May only be a 5 technique at the next level
-Needs to work on consistency as he plays high when he gets tired
-Not a lot of tape to go on
-Gets by on natural athleticism
-Production does not come close to matching his physical skillset
Brockers reminds me so much of a very raw Richard Seymour. Some of the big criticisms of Seymour coming out were he was too tall to play DT and not a good enough pass rusher to play DE. If Brockers had stayed in school he may have been a top 5 pick next year. As it stands he could go as high as 8 to Carolina but that would be a big risk. If he falls to the Pats I don't think it's an option to not take him. He would be a mega upgrade at 5 technique and has all world ability.
-Excellent size for the position
-Room to add a few more pounds as well
-Has good hand use and can control offensive linemen
-Plays with a good base and can 2 gap
-Stays low and seldom loses the leverage battle
-Has a very good bull rush
-Plays with power in his legs
-Excellent first step which helps him get penetration
-Motor is definitely not always on
-Only really has one year of impressive tape
-Not a great pass rusher. Bull rush is his main move
-Does not have much flexibility
-Is very good moving forward but will not make many plays moving laterally down the line
-May be better suited to play in an attacking front where he isn't asked to react to the play
There is a lot to like about Still. He has great size, strength and a terrific first step. He uses his hands well to control blockers and keep them off his body and could be a good fit at 5 technique. However while he may be able to stack offensive linemen I don't see the ability to shed the blocks and make plays on the ball. He may simply be a guy who can be great at holding the point but not much of a playmaker. I wouldn't hate the pick but I'm not sure he is a massive upgrade over what we have at 5 technique at the moment. He may be a better player in a 2 gap 43 or as an under tackle.
-Elite first step and explosion
-Too quick for many college interior offensive linemen
-Plays with good effort
-Will seldom get washed out of the play
-Very active with his hands and feet
-Won't stay blocked
-Able to get very good penetration
-May be a bit small for some NFL schemes
-Probably won't be a 2 gap player in the NFL
-Lacks discipline at times and won't always stick to his gap
-Inconsistent at times
-Needs to play with more consistent leverage
-Sloppy technique and gets by on athleticism
Cox will be an impact defensive lineman in the league and those guys are in big demand. His upside is only surpassed by Brockers as far as DT/DEs go. If he gets good coaching on technique he has the potential to be an all pro type player in either a 43 front or a 34. The issue when it comes to the Pats is he is probably too small and not disciplined enough. He would need to add a good 10lbs at least to play RE in Belichick's 34 and needs to be able to hold his ground against double blocks. Cox is more likely the type of guy who would beat attempt to split the blocks. I'm calling this guy to Dallas at 14 right now.
Since AntoinCD is putting everybody to shame it's time for me to put another one up.
Here's one for Joe Adams.
5'11" 175lbs. 4.38 40 time
2011 54 rec. 652 yds. 3tds.
2010 50 rec. 813 yds. 6tds.
5 career PR TDs.
-Speed to burn, a definite vertical threat.
-Decent length and leaping ability for a shorter receiver
-Ability to extend plays along the sidelines, has a great feel for the boundary
-Open field running threat
-Excellent return abilities
-Follows his blockers well
-Very slight frame, could be injury prone
-Hands are ok, not great
-Route running is far from polished
-Can get jammed on the outside
-Not much of a blocker
Couldn't find any positive-negative vidoes, but here are some highlights (just turn off/lower the sound before you start):
Analysis for the Patriots:
We've tried and failed with guys like this in the past (Bethel Johnson & Brandon Tate come to mind), but the truth is this team needs a return threat and a vertical receiver in the worst way. Adams has some high potential and has the upside to be a Wallace/D-Jack kind of threat on the outside. He flashed the ability at the Senior Bowl. Realistically the Pats need somebody who can make 2 20+ yard catches a game, and their already good offense would become so much better. They can't keep relying on 12 play 80 yard drives. Sometimes they just need a cheap big play score, and Adams could possibly be that guy with his speed and ability to create.
Overall he would maybe be my 6th or 7th realistic choice at WR at the moment when you take the draft and FA into account. I would prefer Floyd and Sanu in the draft and Meachem, Garcon, Lloyd and V-Jax in FA.
It may depend on Welker though. If they let him go then Adams would move up that list
-Incredible explosion off the line
-Dynamic with the ball in his hands
-Eats up cushion in no time
-Catches the ball with his hands
-Can go up and get the ball
-Can catch the ball in traffic
-Can line up outside or in the slot
-Will be a threat on reverses
-Can make defenders miss in the open field
-Below average size for a first round WR
-Not a crisp route runner
-Didn't really face press coverage in college
-Played in a simplified offensive system
-Some minor injury concerns
Kendall Wright is one of two players I would be happy the Pats moved up significantly for. I like Michael Floyd a little better but I feel he may be off BB's radar. For me Kendall Wright would be an amazing fit for the Patriots. He reminds me of a cross between Mike Wallace, Desean Jackson and Santonio Holmes. I think he's a top ten pick in the draft
WR, Notre Dame
* Elite Body Control
* Elite ball skills
* Excellent route runner (full route tree)
* Prototypical size (6'3", 225lbs)
* Effective and willing blocker
* Pro style offense
* Soft hands that can catch a lot of bad balls (Notre Dame has been a hotbed for over-rated QBs)
* beats press-man consistently, strong hands to get off the LOS.
* Elite production in college
* Elite football IQ
* Plays well in traffic
* Can break tackles
* Speed is only average or maybe just above average.
* Off Field concerns
* Having him catch passes from Tom Brady may be illegal in a few states
If GMs have half a brain, they will make absolutely sure Michael Floyd is fully vetted before letting him fall out of the top 10. He has Larry Fitzgerald type talent, with maybe a little less speed. If the speed really is a concern, he's at least going to be one of the 2 or 3 best #2s in the NFL. If he fell to NE and they passed, I would literally cry.
Michael Floyd is a day 1 starter in the NFL and should earn a 7.5+ (BLESTO) grade by any competent scout.
Here is one for Razor's favorite player Melvin Ingram.
6'2" 276lbs. 4.75* 40 time
2011: 48Tk, 13.5 TFL, 10 Sacks, 2 INT's
2010: 27 Tk, 9 Sacks
-Very unique athlete, has a running back's fluidity at almost 280lbs.
- Excellent counter moves including club and spin
- Looks comfortable flipping his hips and transitioning in coverage
- Fast twitch athlete, and gets to full speed very quickly
- Good ball skills, and has the natural instincts to make plays
- Is extremely versatile OLB, DE, and Nickel DT are all positional options for him.
- Shows natural bend, and can play with proper leverage when rushing the passer
- Burst off the line is where it should be for a first round pass rusher
-Shorter height and arms than you'd prefer for a a pass rusher
- He doesn't get pushed much, but he doesn't position his body well enough to disrupt running lanes on a consistent basis
- Bull rush isn't a big part of his game
- Is handled relatively easily when double teamed inside.
- Can play too fast at times and lose his balance
- True Position?
- Is very streaky as a player
Analysis for Patriots:
Very quickly, if he was drafted by the Patriots this would be BB's 2nd attempt at a guy with a similar skillset as Adalius Thomas. They're very similar athletes, and neither guy is/was a 15+ sack type guy, but they have unique skillsets that give you a ton of flexibility in game planning. Most of us have said that the Patriots need that X factor type guy, and Ingram could be it. Whether he's causing mismatches as a nickel DT, playing RE, or standing up Ingram has jack of all trades potential. Probably a guy to look at around pick 31 if better need/talent is off the board. Could very easily be BPA around our pick.
I don't know I'm kinda meh on Ingram. He made a lot of plays due to scheme and mismatches in college. I'm not sure he can play standing up in the Patriots defense. I think absolute best case scenario for Ingram is someone like Justin Tuck. He is the kind of guy I'd take in the second but will be over drafted. Plus his short arms worry me
FS/CB/SS, Boise State
* Size+ (222@6035)
* Wingspan (6095 wingspan... yeah, an extra 6 inch range)
* 4.5x Speed
* Played Special teams [four down player]
* Solid Tackler [Room to improve though]
* Can drop in the box and cover TE and WRs (including big ones)
* Physical press
* Great pad level
* Excellent coverage technique
* Plays the slot effectively
* Good football IQ + Instinctual (played the sticks numerous times on 3rd down)
* Played corner for a few games
* Excels in both man and zone coverage systems
* Doesn't always take good angles (but is improving)
* Below average initial burst
* Not a big hitter, but doesn't shy from contact
* Not a captain [that matters to some teams, including NE]
* Not fluid at all. Boise State's system masks this well.
* May be more of an OLB than safety in the NFL.
This is the kind of guy you want to keep away from teams in the AFC East. He has the ability to cover bigger and more physical receivers (like big TEs), while also having the ability to play center field.
Even though I listed him as a CB, I would be shocked to see him play CB at his size. He's definitely more of an emergency corner. Obviously a safety (which he played at Boise State)
He's going to be a high second round pick or a late first (as of the Senior Bowl). Overall, I think he's a starter for just about any AFC East team and would perfectly complement Pat Chung in the NE secondary.
He might challenge Mark Barron for first safety off the board.
BLESTO Grade: 7.0 (Post combine: 6.3)
edit: After seeing his performance at the Combine, I'm really wondering if he's not more of a LB than a safety. His frame could add more weight. He's stiff. He's not as fast as maybe expected.
I really think I over-estimated how well he hid behind Boise State's DL (basically not having to cover many deep passes). He's stiff like a linebacker.
Iloka reminds me of Adrian Wilson. Converted corner with great cover ability who looks like a LB with room to develop even more. Would definitelt not be surprised or disappointed to see him in a Patriots uniform, could be the type of player our defense has been lacking.
Floyd is another guy I would kill for the Pats to draft. Iloka is a guy I would like with our first second rounds and possibly 31, but the two guys I really like with the Saints pick are Floyd and Brockers who both will probably be gone.
-Tremendous Size for the position
-Big, strong hands
-Catches the ball away from his body
-Can make tough catches with DBs all over him
-Extremely physical player
-Uses his big frame well to shield defenders from the ball
-Huge catching radius
-Can break tackles to gain a few extra yards
-Red zone threat due to size
-Was extremely productive as a sophomore despite terrible QB play
-Not afraid to take big hits
-Was out of shape all season
-Terrible route runner
-Lacks explosion in his hips to break his routes off properly
-Will not be able to run the full route tree effectively
-Can't separate from college DBs let alone NFL ones
-Love of the game is in question
-Long strider and takes a while to get to full speed
-Will get called for offensive pass interference a lot if he continues pushing off at the top of his route like he does
-Won't run away from anyone
The preseason hype for Jeffrey was way overblown due to his terrific sophomore season. While he has Calvin Johnson size he does not have anywhere close to Calvin Johnson's athleticism. He will only be successful on jump ball situations and on the occassions he can beat a jam with a hard move to the inside. He can't run digs, he can't run outs and he can't run comebacks. Play making CBs will sit on every intermediate route he even thinks about running because it takes him so long to get out of his breaks. I would be pissed if the Pats even looked at this guy before the third round. He needs help with offensive concepts to get into space. He offers very little with the ball in his hands. He will literally be a jump ball WR in the NFL. He reminds me of a slightly shorter Ramses Barden
-Good bulk, should come in at about 210lbs
-Very good hands
-Plays faster with pads on than in shorts
-Great body control
-Unbelievably productive throughout his college career
-Explodes off the line and is tough to press
-Eats up cushion quickly
-Great with the ball in his hands
-Can get vertical
-Attacks the ball in the air
-Height is only ok, probably only about 6'0
-Timed speed will be below average, and way below top ten standards
-Suffers from the odd drop
-Wasn't asked to run a full route tree
-Potential off field concerns, DUI last year
-Played in a simplified offensive system
I really Justin Blackmon as a player but I don't see how he is one of the best prospects in this draft. I have both Kendall Wright and Michael Floyd above him as of now. Blackmon does most things very well but I don't see any elite qualities. I see a lot of Greg Jennings in Blackmon and a lot of Anquan Boldin due to his physicality. Both of these players are very good WRs but not necessarily elite, and significantly neither were first round picks. Blackmon probably needs to go to a west coast team were they can get him the ball quickly in space.
-Great size for a CB at slightly over 6'0 and over 190lbs
-Extremely smart player, on and off the field
-Doesn't make mental errors
-Physical with WRs and gets a good jam at the line
-Can excel in either man or zone schemes
-Excellent run defender and fights off blocks
-Can blitz very well
-Very high character guy
-Offensive potential as WR, Wildcat QB
-Is a 4 down player
-Isn't a burner by any means
-Hips are a little bit stiff and may struggle to turn and run with quick WRs
-Needs a lot of work on his technique
-Needs to work on the finer aspects of being a CB. Hand placement while jamming WRs, positioning himself to play the ball in the air etc
-Trusts his athelticism too much
I am a big fan of Stephon Gilmore. His has the intelligence, versatility and work ethic that will endear him to BB. May be a tad slow for the Pats who have a tendancy to draft smaller, quicker CBs. If Gilmore can run in the 4.4s at the combine it may boost his stock into the first round. Having Gilmore would give the Pats three outside CBs with good to great size who all have the ability to play outside the hashes or move into safety which is hugely important if the Pats want to get back to playing big nickel coverages.
-Explosive first step
-Very strong player
-Elite run defender who won't get pushed backwards
-Very good motor
-Plays with good leverage and hand use
-Can push the pocket with a good bull rush
-Good bulk and quickness
-Not as long as you would like-only 6'2
-Isn't a pass rushing threat at all
-May only be a 2 down player in the NFL
-Probably can't play in either a 34 or a 2 gap system
Brandon Thompson will be a nice player in the NFL and will definitely have a role to play. However that role should definitely not be with the Patriots and no team should look at him in the first round. He reminds me of Broderick Bunkley and may have a similar career. Fantastic run defender who gives nothing on 3rd down.
-Mammoth size, probably about 340-350lbs
-Ridiculous explosion for someone that big
-Good length at 6'5 and he doesn't look obese like someone like Terrence Cody
-Versatility, can play 5 technique and nose tackle
-Pretty good in pursuit considering his size
-Can make plays moving laterally down the line
-Experience against double and triple team blocks
-Unlimited potential and upside
-Good tackler who actually wraps up ball carriers
-Should dominate based on pure size but doesn't
-Is on the ground or washed out of plays way too much
-At times he can be single blocked
-Lacks the ability to anchor at NT
-Isn't a pass rusher
-Once he is blocked he stays blocked
Dontari Poe will likely be a mid first round pick but it will have almost nothing to do with his play. He belongs with a select group of athletes who are a part of the Planet Theory. Only so many people can be that big and that athletic. On measurables Poe should be a top 5 pick but he doesn't play close to them. While he can play in a 34 and has experience in that scheme he may be limited to a Pat Williams type role in the NFL to be successful. Someone who can play the nose in a 43 with a penetrating 3 technique next to him and come off the field on passing downs. I am not impressed with Poe at all.
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