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princefielder28 01-01-2012 12:34 PM

Week 17 - Packers vs. Lions
 
shaky start with Pat Lee returning kicks

one thing I don't understand is why guys like Jermichael, BJ and Bishop are seeing so much action early on and why they aren't kinda clumped in with the inactive guys as people you wanna keep on the sidelines...hopefully it's just to get them some reps and they'll be pulled later on

princefielder28 01-01-2012 01:09 PM

Morgan Burnett has had a strong game so far

princefielder28 01-01-2012 01:19 PM

Ryan Grant has shown far more burst in the second half of the season

SuperPacker 01-01-2012 03:40 PM

Matt Flynn...

princefielder28 01-01-2012 03:48 PM

it was like watching a video game

BloodBrother 01-01-2012 03:58 PM

but, but the media said that when the weather gets cold in GB they wouldn't be able to throw the ball around like they have all year? It was cold, snowy and very windy today and neither QB had trouble throwing it

does this mean...the media was WRONG? Say it ain't so


haha that game was fun to watch.

PackerLegend 01-01-2012 04:00 PM

game was amazing! Matt ******* Flynn baby. I cant wait to see him get his shot elsewhere. I have high hopes he wont be another Cassell.

So happy to beat those punk Lions. keep that streak n lambeau alive.

BloodBrother 01-01-2012 04:07 PM

he can go and become another cassel, I don't care. I just hope the packers tag him and trade him for something good in return. We saw what the Cards gave up for Kolb's crappy ass

J-Mike88 01-01-2012 04:41 PM

Holy Matt ******* Flynn!

Now, how do we cash him in like Atlanta did for Schaub and Philly for Korn on the Kolb?

Flynn has shown as much as those 2 guys have!
Today was ALL-TIME RECORD-SETTING. Outdoors.

SuperPacker 01-01-2012 05:39 PM

If we did franchise Flynn how much could we get for him? A second or is that too high?

J-Mike88 01-01-2012 05:55 PM

We need 2 teams to want Flynn, which is REALISTIC.

We know about what contract terms those teams might be willing to give him, so we should sign him to that.... and then trade him for the team offering us the most. Is it not that simple?

How about either of these:
Flynn & Hawk for Brian Orakpo?
Flynn for Dumervil?
Flynn for Cleveland's 2nd rounder and 3rd next year?

princefielder28 01-01-2012 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-Mike88 (Post 2807015)
We need 2 teams to want Flynn, which is REALISTIC.

We know about what contract terms those teams might be willing to give him, so we should sign him to that.... and then trade him for the team offering us the most. Is it not that simple?

How about either of these:
Flynn & Hawk for Brian Orakpo?
Flynn for Dumervil?
Flynn for Cleveland's 2nd rounder and 3rd next year?

sign and trades don't happen in the NFL; it's not like the NBA where a player's current team has the ability to offer them more money...Flynn will hit the free agent market and he will go to the place where he gets the most money...and we're not gonna franchise him, that'll go to Finley

Mufasa 01-01-2012 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 2807039)
sign and trades don't happen in the NFL; it's not like the NBA where a player's current team has the ability to offer them more money...Flynn will hit the free agent market and he will go to the place where he gets the most money...and we're not gonna franchise him, that'll go to Finley

1st round pick or 2nd round pick+ is worth a lot more than a year of Finley

princefielder28 01-01-2012 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mufasa (Post 2807064)
1st round pick or 2nd round pick+ is worth a lot more than a year of Finley

what leverage do the Packers have? pay 15 million dollars for a backup? if teams can't get Matt Flynn on the free agent market they will probably invest a pick on a quarterback or wait a year and build up the team if they really have that much interest in him

given the dollars and potential picks required I just don't see many teams willing to jump in on that

Mufasa 01-01-2012 06:19 PM

Same could be said about Matt Cassel. And Matt Schuab and Kevin Kolb for that matter, even though they weren't franchised

SuperPacker 01-01-2012 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-Mike88 (Post 2807015)
We need 2 teams to want Flynn, which is REALISTIC.

We know about what contract terms those teams might be willing to give him, so we should sign him to that.... and then trade him for the team offering us the most. Is it not that simple?

How about either of these:
Flynn & Hawk for Brian Orakpo?
Flynn for Dumervil?
Flynn for Cleveland's 2nd rounder and 3rd next year?

I would think trading for draft picks would be more likely. I could see a deal with the Redskins because they have a lot of picks. Other teams i think could be interested in Flynn would be:

Browns
Dolphins
Seahawks
Chiefs
Jets?
Broncos

princefielder28 01-01-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mufasa (Post 2807117)
Same could be said about Matt Cassel. And Matt Schuab and Kevin Kolb for that matter, even though they weren't franchised

and how have those situations played out for those teams??? Schaub would be the only case deemed a success but it took a handful of years before they sniffed success and now he's out...and don't tell me Cassel has worked out because there's a good chance he's cut after this season

SuperPacker 01-01-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 2807104)
what leverage do the Packers have? pay 15 million dollars for a backup? if teams can't get Matt Flynn on the free agent market they will probably invest a pick on a quarterback or wait a year and build up the team if they really have that much interest in him

given the dollars and potential picks required I just don't see many teams willing to jump in on that

But if more than one team wants him they would be in competition so would have to offer more than the other to get Flynn. This would drive his price up meaning i think we could get a 2nd round pick for him.

SuperPacker 01-01-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 2807137)
and how have those situations played out for those teams??? Schaub would be the only case deemed a success but it took a handful of years before they sniffed success and now he's out...and don't tell me Cassel has worked out because there's a good chance he's cut after this season

Why does it matter how those situations have played out? Matt Flynn isnt Matt Cassel or Kevin Kolb is he?

princefielder28 01-01-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperPacker (Post 2807142)
But if more than one team wants him they would be in competition so would have to offer more than the other to get Flynn. This would drive his price up meaning i think we could get a 2nd round pick for him.

so then I ask is a 2nd round pick (an unproven commodity) worth more to us than Jermichael Finley and assuring we have him???

princefielder28 01-01-2012 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperPacker (Post 2807148)
Why does it matter how those situations have played out? Matt Flynn isnt Matt Cassel or Kevin Kolb is he?

teams look at precedent...how often does investing a ton of money and high picks in a backup QB work out??

and the potential teams he'll go to have nowhere near the arsenal of talent at their disposal and that has to be taken into consideration too; how much does the talent on the Packers offense increase his productivity?

Mufasa 01-01-2012 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 2807137)
and how have those situations played out for those teams??? Schaub would be the only case deemed a success but it took a handful of years before they sniffed success and now he's out...and don't tell me Cassel has worked out because there's a good chance he's cut after this season

Nothing you said here has any significance what so ever. It doesn't matter how it played out for them, that's irrelevant.

The point is, there's always going to be a team willing to give up a lot for a QB with potential.

SuperPacker 01-01-2012 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mufasa (Post 2807164)
The point is, there's always going to be a team willing to give up a lot for a QB with potential.

^^^^^^^^^^^

Mufasa 01-01-2012 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 2807149)
so then I ask is a 2nd round pick (an unproven commodity) worth more to us than Jermichael Finley and assuring we have him???

Yes. And it'd probably be more than just a 2nd round pick. Cassel got a 2nd round pick and a pro bowl DE. Kolb got a 2nd and a pro bowl CB. Schaub, the most similar situation got 2 seconds and a swap of the 10th pick to 8th overall. One year of Finley is not worth that.
Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 2807154)
teams look at precedent...how often does investing a ton of money and high picks in a backup QB work out??

and the potential teams he'll go to have nowhere near the arsenal of talent at their disposal and that has to be taken into consideration too; how much does the talent on the Packers offense increase his productivity?

The Cardinals did it just last year, so don't give me that crap. It doesn't matter.

And your last sentence is another irrelevant note. Any team that'd trade for him isn't just looking at his stats. They're going to watch a lot of film on him and scout him. He can make the throws and run an offense. That's more important than his productivity.

princefielder28 01-01-2012 06:42 PM

nevermind it was replied to


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