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Ness 01-15-2012 08:17 PM

Is Eli Manning on the same level as his brother?
 
Took him a lot less time to win a Super Bowl. There shouldn't be an elite quarterback controversy anymore regarding him. And his road wins in the playoffs have been pretty impressive. What does he have to do to surpass his brother's legacy? Or has that been done already? He doesn't have as many 12-4 records like Manning has had every season, but he plays very well in the playoffs. Doesn't have that "choker" mantra that Peyton had for so long earlier in his career.

Bulldogs 01-15-2012 08:18 PM

I don't think he's as good. Has a better defense and arguably just as good a receiving core too. It's kind of close, but Peyton to me is one of the top 3 QBs of all time.

bigbuc 01-15-2012 08:19 PM

I think Eli is one hell of a QB, but no he's not his bro.

Basileus777 01-15-2012 08:20 PM

If you want to talk about the post-season, then you could compare their performances given how many times Peyton has disappointed there. But overall, Eli isn't really in the same ballpark as his brother.

descendency 01-15-2012 08:21 PM

Normally, I'd say no, but I have to wonder how good Peyton will be in 2012.

Clearly, Eli is playing his best football and Peyton is come off a lost year... I think they are a lot closer to equal than ever before. I'd even say I think Eli = Peyton.

PoopSandwich 01-15-2012 08:22 PM

Not as good as him but 10x more clutch currently.

Ness 01-15-2012 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldogs (Post 2827709)
I don't think he's as good. Has a better defense and arguably just as good a receiving core too. It's kind of close, but Peyton to me is one of the top 3 QBs of all time.

Whenever I think of Peyton, I think of his greatness, but then I think a lot of his early struggles in his career. I'm not sure if a lot of people remember. Just like Matt Ryan, he was 0-3 in the postseason to start his career. And then the Patriots wall came, and the dome team identity, etc. I don't think of that with Eli. That being said, ability-wise, Peyton is better. In terms of coming through on the big stage? I don't know.

Bengalsrocket 01-15-2012 08:31 PM

I think a lot of people believed Eli has always been a fringe top 10 player. He's not lights out statistically but he can still put the ball where he wants and he's super clutch.

If anyone doesn't consider him right with the elite players (even if he's definitely the bottom of those elite) then they haven't been paying enough attention.

Giantsfan1080 01-15-2012 08:34 PM

Eli is amazing but no where near Peyton. With that being said he's better when it matters.

Basileus777 01-15-2012 08:34 PM

The OP makes it sound like we are comparing careers/legacy, not which QB is better now. Peyton is one of the greatest of all time, Eli has a long way to go to be in that company.

SuperPacker 01-15-2012 08:34 PM

No.

Too many mistakes, plays with a better team so its not just him.

Just no.

jsagan77 01-15-2012 08:48 PM

I don't think so. He's good, but he's not and probably won't ever be on Peytons level.

PoopSandwich 01-15-2012 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker (Post 2827760)
No.

Too many mistakes, plays with a better team so its not just him.

Just no.

Peyton and Eli both have 1 ring, Peyton played on a team that had a higher skill level for about a decade.

Eli is much better in the playoffs and it is very possible he will be playing for another Super Bowl.

Eli is a ******* boss.

MI_Buckeye 01-15-2012 09:01 PM

In terms of lifetime achievement and/or measuring each player in their prime, it's Peyton hands down. However, going into the 2012 season, I would prefer Eli.

wogitalia 01-15-2012 09:04 PM

It's funny, Peyton is just flat out better as a player but I needed to win one playoff game, I'm probably going with Eli. No doubt in my mind that Peyton has struggled in the playoffs and is not a "clutch" QB. Eli still makes a lot of awful throws and is probably a bit too aggressive with the ball, but he also has a killer instinct and track record that is hard to argue with in the playoffs.

BloodBrother 01-15-2012 09:11 PM

Peytons better but...Eli could end up with more rings so that's all tha tmatters in the end

BuddyCHRIST 01-15-2012 09:37 PM

He's not as good, but with so many QB's approaching that discussion all time its time to start comparing them differently.

He might be the calmest/most collected QB in the league. He has absolutely no fear about going onto the road and playing a great team. He does some dumb ass things sometimes, sometimes for an entire season. But he obviously prepares very well and is an excellent leader.

LonghornsLegend 01-15-2012 09:49 PM

In all honesty, I said it earlier this season, but I said if Eli was in a different offensive system a lot more people would consider this to be the case. Brees threw the ball 60+ times yesterday for instance, when has Eli done that, or even come close? The offense is conservative, they don't throw to the TE much, they try and run the ball even when they shouldn't, especially in the red zone, etc.


Eli has pretty much won my respect while I admittedly wasn't his biggest fan. He's very clutch, he owned the Pack on 3rd down, and I'm almost positive he'll win more SB's then Peyton. Peyton owned the regular season, I think when it's over and done Eli will be viewed as the better clutch & playoff QB.


Still though, overall talent as a QB, Eli is playing on the level of Peyton right now.

NY+Giants=NYG 01-15-2012 09:51 PM

No, but right now he is playing at an elite level with no damn running game. Our identity isn't like all these passing teams. At our optimal level, we'd rather be running first or balanced. That's where we want to be. I personally hate it, but right now HE IS THE TEAM. He has been ALL season long!

PoopSandwich 01-15-2012 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BloodBrother (Post 2827864)
Peytons better but...Eli could end up with more rings so that's all tha tmatters in the end

Unless you're Trent Difler then you are a sack of ******* **** who got carried to the super bowl and tries to judge everyone else because his defense and Jamal the cocaine dealer Lewis carried his ass to victory.

Rodgrsh8scancrpatients 01-15-2012 11:24 PM

eli 3rd most clutch qb in league behind great ben roethlisberger and tammy brady.

crossroads 01-15-2012 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wogitalia (Post 2827842)
It's funny, Peyton is just flat out better as a player but I needed to win one playoff game, I'm probably going with Eli. No doubt in my mind that Peyton has struggled in the playoffs and is not a "clutch" QB. Eli still makes a lot of awful throws and is probably a bit too aggressive with the ball, but he also has a killer instinct and track record that is hard to argue with in the playoffs.

This is pretty much how I feel. Peyton probably is more talented and is the better QB, but Eli right now might be the best big-game QB in the league. Dude's ******* clutch.

WMD 01-15-2012 11:30 PM

If Peyton had the Defense that Eli has had the past few years, he'd have more than one ring. I'm not saying Eli is being carried by his team, but he's probably getting more help from the rest of his team than Peyton has.

Caddy 01-15-2012 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMD (Post 2828004)
If Peyton had the Defense that Eli has had the past few years, he'd have more than one ring. I'm not saying Eli is being carried by his team, but he's probably getting more help from the rest of his team than Peyton has.

I like this way of thinking. Outside of Mathis, Freeney and Sanders, there hasn't been a whole lot of star power on the Colts. Compare that to the Giants who have had maybe the best defensive line in the league for a while now and Eli certainly gets more help.

DBNYDP 01-15-2012 11:38 PM

I think there is something wrong with the whole well whoever has more rings is the better player. It's hard to compare because Eli has always had a much better team. As far as clutchness goes, I'm not even sure of that anymore. My big problem is that Peyton has to shoulder the burden for the whole season and every whole playoff game. He didn't have amazing running games or amazing defenses to take the pressure off or make up for his poor play generally. I'd also say that while he has had some great receivers, his receivers never really shouldered the burden and made up for poor play with that many incredible plays. Yes without a doubt Eli has gotten it done in crunch time, but he has not had to shoulder the burden like Peyton. I cannot help but wonder what would happen if you gave Peyton Manning the teams that Eli has played on, a team where he wasn't relied upon so much. I think there is a good chance if that happened he would be just as good if not better than Eli in the clutch. Football is a team sport, the only thing a win or a lose tells us is which team was better, not necessarily who is the better QB.

That being said I think Eli really backed up his statement from the summer. He's an elite QB, and I'd put him right behind Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers in terms of QBs today.


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