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jetsfan0099 01-25-2012 09:06 PM

Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
 
Is he a legit round 1 prospect? Would he be a good selection by the Jets at pick 16? I have not watched much of him as I pay really no attention to Marshall.

SenorGato 01-27-2012 11:06 PM

See I really like this player, but I think I'm 1 of 1 who thinks he'll end up a first rounder. He's a really strong workout away, and by really strong I mean really, really strong. If he DeMarcus Ware's the combine then it's a wrap, and I think he's got an outside shot at it.

Shane P. Hallam 01-27-2012 11:08 PM

Just not the top athlete to garner a mid-first. MAYBE late, but I'd say more a 2nd round pick.

SenorGato 01-27-2012 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam (Post 2842584)
Just not the top athlete to garner a mid-first. MAYBE late, but I'd say more a 2nd round pick.

I agree BUT I have to say that he's more athletic than I was willing to believe before a viewing.

I'd draft him over Upshaw for 3-4 OLB tbh...unless Upshaw blows the mind with a workout.

BamaFalcon59 01-28-2012 02:34 PM

He also came into the Senior Bowl at 6'3" ~260 rather than his listed 6'5" 242.

He could cut weight and show out at the combine.

Lil Quip 01-28-2012 03:10 PM

At his current size, may not fit in a lot of schemes. If he can cut ten pounds and gain some quickness, I could see him in the second to a classic 3-4 team. He could also add about 10 pounds and fit more at 4-3 end.

I think he has been someone to watch as a riser to the end of the first, but I don't think he has shown enough in the offseason to warrant that.

6-5 would have been ideal for a team like my Pats, but 6-3 isn't bad.

TACKLE 01-28-2012 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Quip (Post 2842890)
At his current size, may not fit in a lot of schemes. If he can cut ten pounds and gain some quickness, I could see him in the second to a classic 3-4 team. He could also add about 10 pounds and fit more at 4-3 end.

I think he has been someone to watch as a riser to the end of the first, but I don't think he has shown enough in the offseason to warrant that.

6-5 would have been ideal for a team like my Pats, but 6-3 isn't bad.

Huh? He can easily be a 43 DE and as long as he isn't horribly awkward in space, he can also be a 34 rush backer.

Lil Quip 01-28-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TACKLE (Post 2842982)
Huh? He can easily be a 43 DE and as long as he isn't horribly awkward in space, he can also be a 34 rush backer.

Yeah 260 isn't bad, but many teams want their DE's in the 270-280 range. Good size for the elephant backer role, but a little big at OLB. I am not doubting that he will be able morph into either role. It just seems like he is sort of hedging his bets either way right now, waiting to see what team drafts him and what role he will play.

TACKLE 01-28-2012 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Quip (Post 2843014)
Yeah 260 isn't bad, but many teams want their DE's in the 270-280 range. Good size for the elephant backer role, but a little big at OLB. I am not doubting that he will be able morph into either role. It just seems like he is sort of hedging his bets either way right now, waiting to see what team drafts him and what role he will play.

I would say 6'3 265 is about average for 4-3 DE's in the NFL.

Flaming Mo 01-28-2012 06:16 PM

His playing style basically screams "playing like a Jet" to me... I bet Rex would love him...

mightytitan9 01-28-2012 10:59 PM

I like him a lot but I don't see him as a first round pick unless he explodes in workouts. It's early in the process though so we'll see what happens

Grizzlegom 01-28-2012 11:05 PM

I've heard on the Twitter-verse that he's got baggage that will drop him some (not sure what it is and no idea if its true so take that for what its worth). I don't have him as a first rounder on tape anyway though. Solid 2nd rounder. Honestly like him better as a 43DE for someone like the Browns, Lions, or Eagles than as a 34 OLB although I do agree the Jets would be a good fit too.

mightytitan9 01-28-2012 11:13 PM

Yeah, I'm hoping he's there in the 2nd for us Titans

LeftwichQB7 01-29-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Grizzlegom (Post 2843294)
I've heard on the Twitter-verse that he's got baggage that will drop him some (not sure what it is and no idea if its true so take that for what its worth). I don't have him as a first rounder on tape anyway though. Solid 2nd rounder. Honestly like him better as a 43DE for someone like the Browns, Lions, or Eagles than as a 34 OLB although I do agree the Jets would be a good fit too.

Curry has zero baggage.

I follow Marshall and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Roddoliver 01-29-2012 01:02 PM

1st round pick. Great effort, two years with nice production. Can play 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB.

Chargerfn909 01-29-2012 01:04 PM

1st round talent in my eyes, but (bolts should know best) due to the level of competition that he played at Marshall it will probably hinder him a bit. I suppose with a solid combine he can lock up a mid-late 1st round spot. I couldn't imagine teams like the Pack/Pats passing on him in the late 1st, but you never know.

mightytitan9 01-29-2012 01:44 PM

When you get those less talented DE's moved to OLB they usually don't produce all that great. I'm not sold as him anything more than an average 3-4 backer

J-Mike88 01-29-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59 (Post 2842852)
He also came into the Senior Bowl at 6'3" ~260 rather than his listed 6'5" 242.

He could cut weight and show out at the combine.

His size was fantastic at the Senior Bowl. His size is perfectly blended for a 34 OLB.

His athletic ability, agility will be the question.
I personally would love to see him opposite Matthews in Green Bay, but these OLB/DE prospects (Brandon Graham, Jerry Hughes, Larry English, Aaron Maybin, Everette Brown, Vern Gholston, etc.) are extremely hard to project at the next level, as we have seen.

Sometimes guys at smaller schools do not do well against the big boys.
Other times guys from the precious SEC & Big Ten don't fare well in the NFL.
It's very difficult to project this area.

DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 260
LaMarr Woodley: 6-2, 265
Clay Matthews: 6-3, 255
Terrell Suggs: 6-3, 260
Von Miller: 6-3, 245
Elvis Dumervil: 5-11, 260
James Harrison: 6-0, 242

A Perfect Score 01-29-2012 03:52 PM

When it's all said and done, I still think he's behind Coples, Upshaw, Ingram, Irvin, Mercilus, Branch and Perry as far as pass rushers go. Mid to late second, probably. I just think the other guys will all have higher perceived upside on draft day.

BamaFalcon59 01-29-2012 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88 (Post 2843692)
His size was fantastic at the Senior Bowl. His size is perfectly blended for a 34 OLB.

His athletic ability, agility will be the question.
I personally would love to see him opposite Matthews in Green Bay, but these OLB/DE prospects (Brandon Graham, Jerry Hughes, Larry English, Aaron Maybin, Everette Brown, Vern Gholston, etc.) are extremely hard to project at the next level, as we have seen.

Sometimes guys at smaller schools do not do well against the big boys.
Other times guys from the precious SEC & Big Ten don't fare well in the NFL.
It's very difficult to project this area.

DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 260
LaMarr Woodley: 6-2, 265
Clay Matthews: 6-3, 255
Terrell Suggs: 6-3, 260
Von Miller: 6-3, 245
Elvis Dumervil: 5-11, 260
James Harrison: 6-0, 242

I agree. That's why I'm saying he may cut weight for the combine in an effort to impress in agility/testing drills.

Miaoww 01-29-2012 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59 (Post 2843795)
I agree. That's why I'm saying he may cut weight for the combine in an effort to impress in agility/testing drills.

Except they're weighed at the Combine too.

If he does the 40/agility tests at 250 rather than 260 teams are going to raise a few eyebrows.

Lil Quip 01-29-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Miaoww (Post 2843852)
Except they're weighed at the Combine too.

If he does the 40/agility tests at 250 rather than 260 teams are going to raise a few eyebrows.

Not sure if would be an eyebrow. Now we will have two or three good 'datapoints' on Marshall, with two being supposedly objective in the Senior Bowl and Combine.

He could drop 10 and look quicker, teams just now know they are targeting the 250 lb Curry not the 260 one.

Grizzlegom 01-29-2012 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score (Post 2843696)
When it's all said and done, I still think he's behind Coples, Upshaw, Ingram, Irvin, Mercilus, Branch and Perry as far as pass rushers go. Mid to late second, probably. I just think the other guys will all have higher perceived upside on draft day.

Co-signed.

TimmG6376 01-30-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Quip (Post 2843867)
Not sure if would be an eyebrow. Now we will have two or three good 'datapoints' on Marshall, with two being supposedly objective in the Senior Bowl and Combine.

He could drop 10 and look quicker, teams just now know they are targeting the 250 lb Curry not the 260 one.

Yeah he showed he can play DE at 265. If he drops to 255 and does well in agility and linebacker drills it just opens up the opportunity for him to be taken by a 3-4 team as well as 4-3. I don't see it as a negative. If we were talking about a guy that weighed 250 and dropped to 240 then killed at the combine it might raise some flags, but 255 is about ideal for a 3-4 rush backer.

ElectricEye 01-30-2012 03:55 PM

I'm not sure he's the most natural fit at OLB. I just don't see a guy who looks as fluid and quick as I like to see from those types of guys. He's got good size for the position, but I'm not sure the skillset matches.


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