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Dan_Steele 01-28-2012 02:28 PM

Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma St.
 
Top 40 pick?

Weeden has all the tools you look for in a incoming QB. He has the size, a surplus of arm strength and he is a proven winner at the college level. This week at the Senior Bowl he showed exemplary coachability, adjusted to taking snaps from under center extremely well and looked like the best of the 6 QB's invited, by far. He is a great leader, student of the game, and has the ability to make all of the throws in an NFL playbook.

On ability alone he is a Top-20 selection. The knock on him is obviously his age. At 28 he is already 6 years older than Luck, RG3, and almost every other player in this draft. Over a full contract's length too old. My fear is that team's will scare away from him, fearing his body will start to break down after just a few years. If a team can come to terms that Weeden will have nothing more than a 5-8 year career then they will draft a player that I can see winning immediately.

Weeden will have to fend off obvious comparisons to former Heisman Trophy winner; Chris Weinke, who played 7 years in the league as a spot starter and backup on the Panthers and 49ers. Weeden should go much higher than Weinke (Round 4, Pick 106), possessing much more sophisticated arm strength and athleticism. He is going to have to make a team fall for him. Unfortunately, many GM's may be afraid to touch him. It is almost a Catch-22 with Weeden. Best case scenario he completely outplays his pay, makes the Pro Bowl and leads the his team to the playoffs and maybe even the Super Bowl. And lets say he does all of this by his fourth season, when he is at the age of 32 (Tannehill at Cosuins will be 26 and 27 respectively at this same time). His GM will have to face the decision of agreeing to pay top-teir money to a quarterback north of 30, which is always incredibly risky, just ask Jim Irsay.

I think Weeden is a gifted player who should have never went to play baseball, if he was 23 he would be in the Top-15 conversation. Age, an uncoachable, unchangeable characteristic is what is going to hurt him come April.

Thoughts? Projections?

SuperPacker 01-28-2012 02:35 PM

If i was a team needing a quarterback to come in a start straight away, i'd be willing to take him the 2nd round.

Lil Quip 01-28-2012 02:56 PM

Dalton is 24
Freeman is 24
Flacco is 27
Flynn is 26
Newton is 22
Ryan is 26
Smith is 27
Stafford is 23

It sucks for him, but age is a factor. Chris Weinke was in a similar situation and was a fourth rounder.

It really depends on if teams think the time in baseball was basically four years off from the rigors of football or four years of age on his arm. A ten year career would put it from 28 to 38. He still will be a rookie with growing pains. Not sure a team is willing to spend a second on a guy who might hit his prime around his thirtieth birthday.

However, I see someone giving him a mid round flier, where he could have a nice career as a backup and could develop as a starter with little risk.

Iamcanadian 01-28-2012 10:05 PM

He'll be 29 when the season starts next year so I have to believe that round 1 or 2 is out of the question.

Yes, I believe if he were 21, he'd be in consideration as a 1st rounder but at 29, round 2 seems far fetched to me. Maybe round 3, considering that it will likely take 3 or 4 years before he can be a solid NFL starter.

fenikz 01-28-2012 10:11 PM

If he was 21 he would be a top 20 pick and I can't see him falling out of the 2nd round

Walton was drafted last year at 27 in the 2nd and he is a OG

Shane P. Hallam 01-28-2012 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 2843247)
If he was 21 he would be a top 20 pick and I can't see him falling out of the 2nd round

Walton was drafted last year at 27 in the 2nd and he is a OG

You mean Watkins in the first?

mightytitan9 01-28-2012 10:56 PM

The biggest difference is Watkins is an OG and they can generally contribute right away, with Weeden I think a team would likely want to sit him a year or two. That would make him a 30 year old before you can really even see what he can do. I think he'll end up being a 2-3 round guy. Heck, if it were me and I was the Jets or Dolphins, I'd try to get Peyton and draft this guy in the 3rd to sit.

fenikz 01-28-2012 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam (Post 2843249)
You mean Watkins in the first?

Clearly what I said

Grizzlegom 01-28-2012 10:58 PM

I'd take Weeden top 20 personally. I think he's the most NFL-ready QB not named Luck.

mightytitan9 01-28-2012 11:01 PM

I still think RG3 is better than Weeden. I couldn't warrant taking him high because of his age, and if you're a bad team you likely need more than a QB. If you're a good team, why would you draft a QB high if you have one? Maybe take one 2nd round if you're guys getting up in age or something but that's it.

vidae 01-28-2012 11:37 PM

I really don't see what the rest of you see in Weeden and when you factor in his age I wouldn't draft him before the 4th or 5th round.

ElectricEye 01-29-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 2843321)
I really don't see what the rest of you see in Weeden and when you factor in his age I wouldn't draft him before the 4th or 5th round.

That's where I'm at too. Quarterbacks always get pushed up, but I'm just not a big Weeden guy. Didn't wow me in the practices and certainly not in the game either. The medical on him is questionable as well, so there's that to consider too.

Finsfan79 01-29-2012 02:10 AM

I wouldnt mind him in the third for miami

ChiFan24 01-29-2012 04:08 AM

I must be completely missing what sets him apart from a third round guy like Kirk Cousins, and that's before you factor in age.

Big Bird 01-29-2012 04:40 AM

The tough thing is not only that Weeden is older, but how much his arm has been used. It's not like this guy was sitting around on a couch, resting his body. He pitched over 374 innings in 5 seasons, and that doesn't even factor how much Weeden was using it in just training and such.

It's tricky. It's certainly tough to separate Weinke and Weeden. Similar age. Weinke was a bit bigger and came from a more pro-style system. Weeden has is a better thrower but has more wear on his arm. Weinke also suffered a major neck injury when he was a sophomore at Florida State, which may have scared some teams off as well.

Depending on the Combine, I think a team like the Jets could really use him in the 2nd.

ChiFan24 01-29-2012 04:56 AM

Why did I think Weeden was a third baseman? Whatever, I like him even less now.

Matthew Jones 01-29-2012 09:47 AM

Say hello to 2012's John Beck, the last guy who impressed against competition up to ten years younger than him. Weeden is getting overhyped; he's a 28 year-old man who was running up scores against teenagers with the top receiving option in the draft.

Canadian_draft_fan 01-29-2012 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Jones (Post 2843461)
Say hello to 2012's John Beck, the last guy who impressed against competition up to ten years younger than him. Weeden is getting overhyped; he's a 28 year-old man who was running up scores against teenagers with the top receiving option in the draft.

Completely agree - no higher than a 5th rounder on him.

1crazyredskinsfan 01-29-2012 10:22 AM

I Think a remote controlled pogo stick would be a better qb than grossman and beck combined! i have been a redskins fan over 40 years,these are the worst two qbs that the skins have had that entire time! Weeden would be a huge improvement over them!

FUNBUNCHER 01-29-2012 10:32 AM

Never considered for some reason the amount of wear and tear on his arm from being a baseball pitcher.

He's going to hit that wall sooner than later.

Matthew Jones 01-29-2012 10:44 AM

Velocity on his throws is lacking as well.

SchizophrenicBatman 01-29-2012 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vidae (Post 2843321)
I really don't see what the rest of you see in Weeden and when you factor in his age I wouldn't draft him before the 4th or 5th round.

I don't get it either. He doesn't impress me all that much

And yea, you have to consider he blew out his arm playing baseball. Right now it doesn't effect his football throwing motion but who knows how long that will last?

BeerBaron 01-29-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye (Post 2843344)
That's where I'm at too. Quarterbacks always get pushed up, but I'm just not a big Weeden guy. Didn't wow me in the practices and certainly not in the game either. The medical on him is questionable as well, so there's that to consider too.

Precisely. He's not even that good to begin with. Top 40 pick...pfft. Even if he was 23 I wouldn't take him that high. Much less so for a guy who'll be 32 before his rookie contract expires.

Babylon 01-29-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye (Post 2843344)
That's where I'm at too. Quarterbacks always get pushed up, but I'm just not a big Weeden guy. Didn't wow me in the practices and certainly not in the game either. The medical on him is questionable as well, so there's that to consider too.

Me three. He's a guy who would look very ordinary without Justin Blackmon, comes from a conferance where numbers mean very little and he's old. I'm probably thinking 5th round or so like Chris Weinke but wouldnt be shocked if it were later.

SolidGold 01-29-2012 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 2843522)
Me three. He's a guy who would look very ordinary without Justin Blackmon, comes from a conference where numbers mean very little and he's old. I'm probably thinking 5th round or so like Chris Weinke but wouldnt be shocked if it were later.

Besides being older and replacing Blackmon with Kendall Wright one could make the same argument against Griffin. I do think Weeden helped himself but still think he is a 4th/5th round guy because of his age. I would rather spend a 4th round pick on Weeden than use a top 5 pick on Griffin though.


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