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JohnCandy 01-29-2012 01:06 PM

Is Mike Adams a Top 20 Overall Pick?
 
During the Senior Bowl week I was impressed with his size and movement ability, but I thought he was a little inconsistent in drills.

After watching the game all I saw was him DOMINATE Melvin Ingram, Courtney Upshaw and Quentin Coples.

Is Mike Adams a LT?

Is he a top 20 pick?


vidae 01-29-2012 01:08 PM

I absolutely think he's a top 20 pick and I think he can play either tackle spot. He is going to be dominant.

SuperPacker 01-29-2012 01:14 PM

I'd take him over Jonathan Martin and Riley Reiff.

vidae 01-29-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker (Post 2843619)
I'd take him over Jonathan Martin and Riley Reiff.

I would too. I don't love the OT to KC talk, as it has been going on for YEARS, but I'd take Mike Adams in a second, even at 11/12.

Big Bird 01-29-2012 01:26 PM

Adams was a Top 15 pick BEFORE the Combine. I've been saying this all week. I don't know why it has taken others to come around to a dominating left tackle with excellent physical tools. Did people just ignore him because he missed games this season?

All that happened this week was that Mike Adams reinforced how dominant of a force he can be, and locked up a top 15 selection. Honestly, it's kind of sad how blind most people were that they didn't see the obvious talent this guy had before this week. I seriously question whether or not at least 75% of the people that say they watch college football actually do...

PossibleCabbage 01-29-2012 01:36 PM

I think I might take Reiff over Kalil (those two are close), but Martin and Adams are close. The real problem with Adams is consistency, and inconsistency is a killer when it comes to offensive tackles. If your OT is solid 95% of the time, but 5% of the time he's a screwup, then your QB is liable to get killed on every 1 of 20 pass plays. QB injuries end seasons for your entire team, so you can't have that.

When it comes to OTs, I would take a guy who's an 8/10 on 99% of attempts every time over a guy who's a 9/10 90% of the time. Other positions are different, but for OTs consistency is incredibly important.

The reason I wouldn't put Adams in the top 20 right now is that while he's the 3rd or 4th OT, he's probably the 5th or 6th OL. He has a PV lean over guys like DeCastro and Konz, but those interior guys are simply better football players. What with Mike Pouncey going before Solder, Castonzo, Carimi, and Sherrod; and Maurkice Pouncey, and Mike Iupati going before Bulaga and Saffold, I could easily see Konz and DeCastro pushing Martin and Adams down the board.

Big Bird 01-29-2012 02:20 PM

I would agree that DeCastro is at least on the same level as Adams (I view both as Top 10 prospect), but I think Konz belongs more in the late 1st. I have to evaluate him more in-depth because I wasn't expecting him to declare, but I don't see him as a Top 20 pick.

Right now, I would rank the following as 1st Rounders:
1. Matt Kalil (Top 5)
2. Mike Adams (Top 10)
3. David DeCastro (Top 10)
4. Jonathan Martin (Top 20)
5. Riley Reiff (Top 20)
6. Cordy Glenn (Late 1st)
7. Peter Konz (Late 1st)

Mike Brewster and Kelechi Osemele are borderline 1st as well. This OT class has a lot of talent at the top, though I still think Martin and Reiff need work, but the depth is lacking. I had Mitchell Schwartz and James Brown top 10 at the position entering the week, but I believe they have locked up a Top 100 selection and I currently have Schwartz 6th and Brown 7th. Brown might get moved inside to guard though. He is very talented, just needs work. Somebody will be tempted in the 2nd-3rd.

I really like the OG depth though. It's rare you even have two legit 1st Round talents in DeCastro and Glenn, but the next ten guys after that, I wouldn't mind having in the 4th or higher.

Center class is solid too after Konz and Brewster. It seems like everybody is forgetting about Ben Jones, but he is a very talented center as well and belongs in the 2nd. Molk, Blake, and Saulsberry are all looking like 4th-5th to me right now.

keylime_5 01-29-2012 02:27 PM

I think most Buckeye fans have been saying this kid was a first round lock after his breakout junior year. Not sure why the national pundits took so long to come around, but he's looked like he has since 2010 - great skillset, dominant at times, every once in a while he has a lapse in technique and gets beat (usually on an inside/swim move). I think it's a toss up between Adams, Reiff, and Martin on who will be taken as the 2nd-4th OT after Kalil. Both seem to be in that 10-15 range and all project as franchise left tackles.

Big Bird 01-29-2012 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5 (Post 2843669)
I think most Buckeye fans have been saying this kid was a first round lock after his breakout junior year. Not sure why the national pundits took so long to come around, but he's looked like he has since 2010 - great skillset, dominant at times, every once in a while he has a lapse in technique and gets beat (usually on an inside/swim move). I think it's a toss up between Adams, Reiff, and Martin on who will be taken as the 2nd-4th OT after Kalil. Both seem to be in that 10-15 range and all project as franchise left tackles.

Completely agreed. Like I said previously, I really question whether or not some people that say they watch college football actually do.

Adams was a late 1st coming into the year, locked up Top 15 when he came back from suspension, and is looking at Top 10 now.

A Perfect Score 01-29-2012 02:49 PM

I'm pretty sure TACKLE has been spouting this for months, and I've been on board for a while since he showed me some senior tape of his a while back. Adams just reeks of potential, and I have a really hard time envisioning him getting out of the Top 15 come April. I think he's head and shoulders better then Jonathon Martin and he's right there with Reiff as the #2 OT in this class (I'm a Kalil believer, but I know some out there aren't).

keylime_5 01-29-2012 02:52 PM

I know there are plenty of draftniks on this and other boards who were all over the Mike Adams train all year long. It seems though like there were virtually no national writers or even private sites like this one, draftdaddy, etc. that had him in the first or top 20 until senior bowl week happened. Most people said "2nd round grade" and possibly late first rounder at best.

Sloopy 01-29-2012 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keylime_5 (Post 2843669)
I think most Buckeye fans have been saying this kid was a first round lock after his breakout junior year. Not sure why the national pundits took so long to come around, but he's looked like he has since 2010 - great skillset, dominant at times, every once in a while he has a lapse in technique and gets beat (usually on an inside/swim move). I think it's a toss up between Adams, Reiff, and Martin on who will be taken as the 2nd-4th OT after Kalil. Both seem to be in that 10-15 range and all project as franchise left tackles.

This and more this.

We have been pimping this guy for months now.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ght=mike+adams

I think Mike Adams may end up being the 2nd OT off the board and at worst the 3rd.

As far as him being a LT, absolutely. Could play both but I feel it would be a waist of his talent putting him on the right.

He does have some lapses in technique. Has some issues bending at the waist but certainly coachable stuff.

PossibleCabbage 01-29-2012 03:14 PM

I think a lot of people in this thread are really underselling Reiff (quite possibly because Iowa doesn't have the national profile or fanbase of Ohio State). Unless something goes very wrong at the combine (failed drug test, serious injury, diagnosis of serious medical condition) the OTs should be Kalil and Reiff in the top 10, and then everybody else in some order.

Adams can easily be a top 20 pick, but I don't see a realistic chance he's the 2nd OT taken.

keylime_5 01-29-2012 03:17 PM

I don't know if he'll surpass Reiff, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did b/c of his size and upside. It only takes one team, and guys like Mike are the type of players that teams fall in love with. He'll go in that same, 8-15 range at least.

Sloopy 01-29-2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PossibleCabbage (Post 2843713)
I think a lot of people in this thread are really underselling Reiff (quite possibly because Iowa doesn't have the national profile or fanbase of Ohio State). Unless something goes very wrong at the combine (failed drug test, serious injury, diagnosis of serious medical condition) the OTs should be Kalil and Reiff in the top 10, and then everybody else in some order.

Adams can easily be a top 20 pick, but I don't see a realistic chance he's the 2nd OT taken.

I have not been very impressed with Reiff, he's been consistent but I haven't been wowed by him.

Meanwhile Mike Adams has been on fire.

You also have to consider the fact that Reiff really projects better to the right side than the left (he can certainly play multiple positions along the OL but on a more hole plugging basis). So his positional value is less than that of Adams as well IMO

PossibleCabbage 01-29-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sloopy (Post 2843746)
You also have to consider the fact that Reiff really projects better to the right side than the left (he can certainly play multiple positions along the OL but on a more hole plugging basis). So his positional value is less than that of Adams as well IMO

I think the only reason that people say this is that they look at Reiff, and see Bulaga. Bryan Bulaga was absolutely a better fit for the right side than the left side, but Reiff is a much better athlete than Bulaga (he's also a better athlete than Kalil and Adams).

Kalil has more upside, but I honestly don't see a more sure-fire LT in this draft than Reiff. He's got quick feet, some speed, he's consistent, he's a natural knee bender, he plays with good leverage, he's a very patient pass blocker so he rarely gets beat on counters, and he displays excellent awareness. He's honestly a much better pass blocker than a run blocker, so I don't see why you see him as an RT. Kalil is more of an RT than Reiff, since Kalil is a much nastier run-blocker (and a lesser athlete.)

Halsey 01-29-2012 04:59 PM

If Adams is the talent that so many are talking about him as, then why can't he go top 10? LT is obviously a valuable position. If a guy is worth a top 20 pick, then he isn't much of a reach for a team in the top 10 that has a real need for a starting LT.

A Perfect Score 01-29-2012 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halsey (Post 2843810)
If Adams is the talent that so many are talking about him as, then why can't he go top 10? LT is obviously a valuable position. If a guy is worth a top 20 pick, then he isn't much of a reach for a team in the top 10 that has a real need for a starting LT.

After the week he just had, I don't think you'll find anyone who is going to argue with you for putting him in the Top 10. We've seen worse players picked higher. For my money, Mike Adams is every bit the OT prospect that Jason Smith was, and he went #2 overall.

MidwayMonster31 01-29-2012 05:30 PM

Jason Smith was an upside projection with a weak OT class. Mike Adams can play a lot better than Smith and he has taken on top competition. So yes, I would not be surprised to see Adams picked in the top half of the first round.

LonghornsLegend 01-29-2012 06:06 PM

I like his fit for Detroit, but they might be slightly out of his range.

jbooshey 01-29-2012 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Bird (Post 2843667)
I would agree that DeCastro is at least on the same level as Adams (I view both as Top 10 prospect), but I think Konz belongs more in the late 1st. I have to evaluate him more in-depth because I wasn't expecting him to declare, but I don't see him as a Top 20 pick.

Right now, I would rank the following as 1st Rounders:
1. Matt Kalil (Top 5)
2. Mike Adams (Top 10)
3. David DeCastro (Top 10)
4. Jonathan Martin (Top 20)
5. Riley Reiff (Top 20)
6. Cordy Glenn (Late 1st)
7. Peter Konz (Late 1st)

Mike Brewster and Kelechi Osemele are borderline 1st as well. This OT class has a lot of talent at the top, though I still think Martin and Reiff need work, but the depth is lacking. I had Mitchell Schwartz and James Brown top 10 at the position entering the week, but I believe they have locked up a Top 100 selection and I currently have Schwartz 6th and Brown 7th. Brown might get moved inside to guard though. He is very talented, just needs work. Somebody will be tempted in the 2nd-3rd.

I really like the OG depth though. It's rare you even have two legit 1st Round talents in DeCastro and Glenn, but the next ten guys after that, I wouldn't mind having in the 4th or higher.

Center class is solid too after Konz and Brewster. It seems like everybody is forgetting about Ben Jones, but he is a very talented center as well and belongs in the 2nd. Molk, Blake, and Saulsberry are all looking like 4th-5th to me right now.

It seems you are forgetting about Kevin Zeitler...or for some reason you aren't a fan. He is a great guard!

ATLDirtyBirds 01-29-2012 07:41 PM

I've always been a fan. Right now, I'm just deciding whether I want Adams 2, or Reiff. Close call, think I'm giving Adams the edge.

Big Bird 01-29-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jbooshey (Post 2843956)
It seems you are forgetting about Kevin Zeitler...or for some reason you aren't a fan. He is a great guard!

Zeitler is not a 1st Rounder if that's what you're suggesting.

I said I currently have 10 guards in the 2nd-4th range. Zeitler is one of those guards. But he isn't a 1st. Solid 2nd in my book.

bored of education 01-29-2012 08:54 PM

Chiefs please

FUNBUNCHER 01-29-2012 09:24 PM

A solid combine and I think Mike Adams' momentum puts him right up there with Reiff/Kalil.

All three of those guys I think go top 10.

He's so fluid for a guy who's 6'7, and with those eleven inch palms and wingspan, IMO Adams looks like a starting LT from Game One.


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