Draft Countdown Forums

Draft Countdown Forums (http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/index.php)
-   Dallas Cowboys Team Forum (http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=21)
-   -   D-Unit's Post FA Mock Draft (http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51740)

D-Unit 03-21-2012 06:16 PM

D-Unit's Post FA Mock Draft
 
- TRADE -

Dallas sends:
Round 1 (14) - NE drafts Michael Brockers.

New England sends:
Round 1 (27)
Round 2 (31)


Round 1, Pick 27 (From New England)
- C/OG Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin -


Height: 6-3 7/8
Weight: 314
Speed: 5.37
Arm: 32 3/4
Hand: 10 1/4
Wingspan: 80 1/2



Upside:
• Excellent mass and girth — thick-bodied and wide-shouldered
• Midwestern work ethic
• Tough, smart and competitive
• Superb weight-room and functional playing strength
• Good grip strength to lock up, steer and control
• Plays on his feet with balance

Downside:
• Lumbers some on the move and can be stressed by quickness
• Labors to connect with a moving target on the second level
• Can do a better job gauging his power, striking with more power
• Tends to grab and hold more than strike and reload punch
• Has a history of ankle injuries

http://www.profootballweekly.com/pro...in-zeitler-70/

After trading down the Cowboys elect to take this versatile interior lineman. Zeitler has all the makings of a future Pro Bowler who could start from Day 1 and play for the next decade. The same thing you'd expect from DeCastro except without the overrated hype and the high draft pick expense. Zeitler is all substance and I can see him being our opening day starting Center or Guard. His overpowering style of play and experience with a run-heavy, pro-style system make him a perfect fit for Callahan's scheme. The thought in my mind is that the position battle would come down to who is the better Guard and Center between Zeitler and Bernadeau with the lean on Zeitler at C.

Must Watch:


Trogdor 03-21-2012 06:22 PM

:yes: Sounds good so far.

pocketaces 03-21-2012 06:41 PM

I want D. This would not be a good move IMO

D-Unit 03-21-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketaces (Post 2916154)
I want D. This would not be a good move IMO

I feel ya.... I'm not gonna ignore it.

CowboysBeastMode 03-21-2012 07:24 PM

i got much respect for ya D-unit, but boo we need defense LOL

D-Unit 03-21-2012 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowboysBeastMode (Post 2916208)
i got much respect for ya D-unit, but boo we need defense LOL

I gotta admit, this particular pick is also based off my hunch on where I think the Cowboys might go, so it has a bit of a prediction bias to it. Personally, I want HEAVY defense. The rest of the draft will show that though.

D-Unit 03-21-2012 07:54 PM

Round 2, Pick 16
- SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina -




Height: 6-1 1/2
Weight: 210
Speed: 4.64
Arm: 32 1/2
Hand: 9 3/8
Wingspan: 77 7/8

Upside:
Good size and speed
Flashes playmaking ability
Good tackle strength to generate pop
Productive special-teams performer
Energetic, competitive
Leader by example

Downside:
Stiff hips
Not natural pedaling
See-and-go reactor
Average ball skills
Takes questionable angles in pursuit
Inconsistent tackler
Could struggle grasping pro concepts

http://www.profootballweekly.com/pro...onio-allen-26/

I think in order to secure his services, that some team is going to have to draft him in the 2nd round to do so. I have a gut feeling that NFL offices are higher on him than most mock drafters out there, who are more comfortable putting him in the 3rd round. But pop in his tape and all he does is make game changing plays all the time. Just a tremendously smart player with excellent instincts and awareness. He's incredible in pursuit whether chasing down the ball carrier or honing down on the ball while it's in the air. When it comes down to it, you want the guy who will perform on the field before the guy who looks like he could perform on the field. With the way Rob Ryan loves his DBs to blitz, we could be the one team to reach for him since Allen is a force at the line of scrimmage as evidenced by 10.5 TFL in 2010 and 8.5 TFL in 2011. He may not be a name brand prospect like "Dre Kirkpatrick" but I feel he is a better Safety prospect and that this a better spot in this particular draft to pick a Safety that can be a part of our Safety rotation and eventually supplant Brodney Pool at SS.

Must Watch:


leroyisgod 03-21-2012 08:03 PM

I have to say I've never heard his name really being mentioned anywhere, but the highlight real was impressive. I'd much rather address DL before Safety.

D-Unit 03-21-2012 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leroyisgod (Post 2916295)
I have to say I've never heard his name really being mentioned anywhere, but the highlight real was impressive. I'd much rather address DL before Safety.

I've actually been talking about him since the beginning of the college season... when I was doing those quacky weekly outstanding performer reports... lol



He has a bunch of videos that I liked. Here's some:









You start to see how much of an impact he has in games... Not one to be invisible for sure.

Trogdor 03-22-2012 07:22 AM

:unlove:

Wooaah D. Reaching for a hybrid LB/SS who made a ton of highlight plays (... his position accounts for a lot of that) in a pass happy NFL. I wouldn't touch Allen with a ten foot pole thanks to his piss-poor ability to play the pass. I think you're being extremely generous with "average" ball skills unless you are saying "average" for a collegiate linebacker :P

I hate the source but the impression is exactly on:

Quote:

A physical in the box type player who doesn't key overly well. Isn't an NFL caliber pass defender either and looks more like a very average old school type strong safety.
Not the type of player we need in our secondary. If you want to reach on a safety make it a rangy centerfielder (Martin perhaps?).

pocketaces 03-22-2012 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trogdor (Post 2916700)
:unlove:

Wooaah D. Reaching for a hybrid LB/SS who made a ton of highlight plays (... his position accounts for a lot of that) in a pass happy NFL. I wouldn't touch Allen with a ten foot pole thanks to his piss-poor ability to play the pass. I think you're being extremely generous with "average" ball skills unless you are saying "average" for a collegiate linebacker :P

I hate the source but the impression is exactly on:



Not the type of player we need in our secondary. If you want to reach on a safety make it a rangy centerfielder (Martin perhaps?).

Yeah, I agree. D is a little off his game with this Mock. His pre FA draft was MUCH better. :confuse:

D-Unit 03-22-2012 11:29 AM

Ha ha. I appreciate the responses. Please keep them coming. I did read that report on Allen before. It may be spot on (or not) and I realize he's an excellent in-the-box safety but I don't think I'm just gonna take that quote as doctrine as I have actually been following Allen myself all season long.

Besides in our defense I think there is a role for a player like Allen. We saw how Barry Church was used as a hybrid S/LB. Rob loves versatility, good tacklers, blitzing from his DBs and I really don't think Allen is a bad coverage guy at all. Even though we often hear that our safeties need to be interchangeable, I wouldn't imagine him in packages as the lone FS and last line of defense. Allen would play SS and I think he would be a damn good one, ultimately serving as Pool's replacement.

leroyisgod 03-22-2012 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 2916919)
Ha ha. I appreciate the responses. I did read that report on Allen before. It may be spot on (or not) and I realize he's an excellent in-the-box safety but I don't think I'm just gonna take that quote as doctrine as I have actually been following Allen myself all season long.

Besides in our defense I think there is a role for a player like Allen. We saw how Barry Church was used as a hybrid S/LB. Rob loves versatility, good tacklers, blitzing from his DBs and I really don't think Allen is a bad coverage guy at all. Even though we often hear that our safeties need to be interchangeable, I wouldn't imagine him in packages as the lone FS and last line of defense. Allen would play SS and I think he would be a damn good one, ultimately serving as Pool's replacement.

Why not let Barry Church continue to develop in that role and use a 2nd round pick on a DE or OLB prospect where we could use the help more right now?

Trogdor 03-22-2012 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leroyisgod (Post 2916925)
Why not let Barry Church continue to develop in that role and use a 2nd round pick on a DE or OLB prospect where we could use the help more right now?

Also add in that Barry Church was essentially playing ILB in those formations which you can't blame Ryan considering it was him or throwing two old vets that couldn't cover anyone (Brookings and James). Now that we have Connor and a fully healthy Carter I doubt it's a valued positional trait.

He's a mega project regardless of the end position and I just highly question the value.

Go Cowboys 03-22-2012 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trogdor (Post 2916700)
:unlove:

Wooaah D. Reaching for a hybrid LB/SS who made a ton of highlight plays (... his position accounts for a lot of that) in a pass happy NFL. I wouldn't touch Allen with a ten foot pole thanks to his piss-poor ability to play the pass. I think you're being extremely generous with "average" ball skills unless you are saying "average" for a collegiate linebacker :P

I hate the source but the impression is exactly on:



Not the type of player we need in our secondary. If you want to reach on a safety make it a rangy centerfielder (Martin perhaps?).

I would just point to what Darren Woodson was in college, maybe we get lucky and Allen turns into that?

Witten4HOF 03-22-2012 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go Cowboys (Post 2916988)
I would just point to what Darren Woodson was in college, maybe we get lucky and Allen turns into that?


Not ony was Woodson a rare exception, the league has definitely trended more toward spread offenses since he retired and the NFL has instituted rule changes limiting the amount of contact a defender can make with a WR.

Traditional SS are being phased out of the league, the need for in the box run support has been trumped by the coverage ability.

CDCB14 03-22-2012 01:28 PM

I'm in the majority here. I don't mean to be hard on you D-Unit but Allen at 45 is just an atrocious pick. He will probably be there in the 4th and is no different than Barry Church. It's the same concept as passing on Janoris Jenkins because Scandrick is the same exact player. I do like his playmaking ability and knack for being around the ball, but he has physical limitations in todays NFL and again would provide nothing different from Church and even Bobby McCray. He probably wouldn't even do much more than McCray, and you want spent a top 50 pick on him?

This pick would be like that Raiders pick a few years ago when they took a safety in the second round from I think Ohio who was regarded as an undrafted free agent.

Also, people keep taking about Pool as a strong safety and this would be his replacement.. you know Sensabaugh is our SS right? That's his natural position. Pool is playing FS. And since Sensabaugh just a got a 5 year deal, drafting Allen with a high second rounder would just be pointless. You can't start both of them because they can't cover and Sensabaugh is starting with that new deal.

There will be a player of much better quality at 45. I know a lot of people are joking when they say they would break something if they pick this guy or that guy, but if we picked Antonio Allen in the top 50 I would seriously find something and break it lol.

D-Unit 03-22-2012 02:14 PM

I don't mind the criticism at all. In fact, I welcome it. There are a lot of folks that I love in the 2nd round. I think it's filthy rich with talent. I made a note in the pick that I think draftniks are lower on Allen than I think NFL teams are, and that is part of my reasoning for taking him here. I knew this pick wouldn't be appreciated by all, but at the same time, I don't think he would last to us in the 3rd, so this pick is admittingly a little early for him. I don't neccessarily care about that though. If a team likes a guy and he's within range of not being there when they are on the clock again, then I have no problems seeing them go there.

I think a lot of people have jumped to conclusion that just because he is a strong in-the-box player that they can't believe he can be good in coverage. That's not really true. He had a lot of experience covering TEs and slot WRs at Carolina. It's not really surprising to read that NFL teams are intrigued with his versatility.

Rotoworld.com:
"Allen says the Bears like him "a lot" at linebacker while the Jaguars mentioned cornerback. This is a bit surprising because Allen is not a liability in coverage but works best in the box as a strong safety. With incredible length (32 1/2" arms), Allen flashed the ability to cover athletic tight ends in college and at the Senior Bowl. His intriguing skill set will lead many to evaluate Allen as a hybrid-type safety with versatility."

SI Senior Bowl coverage:
- S Antonio Allen of South Carolina has flashed skill all day. He's a very sudden player that jumps out of nowhere to make plays. Allen is also a vicous hitter. He just needs to show more consistency against the pass, but you can tell he has the underlying skills.

Oh and as far as Dan Connor's arrival spelling the end to our linebacker coverage issues... I hope that was light-hearted comment. :njx:

With Rob Ryan's adoration for players who can play multiple positions, I had to find a way to get Antonio Allen into this particular mock.

D-Unit 03-22-2012 02:23 PM

Round 2, Pick 31 (From New England)
- OLB Bruce Irvin, West Virginia -




Upside:
Rare speed, burst
Explosive take-off
Can bend and trim the corner
Plays hard, flattens down the line
Outstanding closing speed
Sack production

Downside:
Lacks bulk and base strength to anchor
Relies too much on his speed few moves
Can be engulfed and controlled
Never has been a full-time starter
Average instincts

http://www.profootballweekly.com/pro...ruce-irvin-11/

His arrest might have distanced other teams, but there isn't another OLB in this draft that we need more because of his jaw dropping speed, energy and change of direction skills. He blew out his peers when he ran a 4.43 forty at the combine and tested out as one of the very best athletes at the entire combine. In a division where the Cowboys will face Vick and RG3 twice a year, Irvin's got the suddeness and quick reactionary coordination skills to track down those elusive QBs. It'd be a wise decision to scoop him up before Round 3 starts... because players with these skills shouldn't even be here. One private team visit would be all that's needed to clear the air about his character/personality/commitment to football.

Must Watch:


CDCB14 03-22-2012 02:31 PM

I like the Irvin. I didn't really think about his speed being an asset with Vick and RGIII in our division which is a good point.

As for the Jaguars talking to Allen about being a cornerback... is that a joke lol? Good marketing by him though, makes it sound like his coverage skills are a lot better than they actually are. Oh, and 32 1/2 inch arms isn't incredible lol that's slightly above average if above average at all.

D-Unit 03-22-2012 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDCB14 (Post 2917163)
I like the Irvin. I didn't really think about his speed being an asset with Vick and RGIII in our division which is a good point.

As for the Jaguars talking to Allen about being a cornerback... is that a joke lol? Good marketing by him though, makes it sound like his coverage skills are a lot better than they actually are. Oh, and 32 1/2 inch arms isn't incredible lol that's slightly above average if above average at all.

Eli is pretty elusive too even though he's not a running QB, he's very slippery.

As for Allen at CB? If you think JAX would use him as a fulltime CB, you'd probably be reading into that too much. Basically he's versatile. I wouldn't throw out the idea that his coverage skills are bad, just because he played the Spur at S.Carolina. He's made plenty of plays in coverage with and without his back to the QB. Facing the ball... he knows what to do.

...and it's not just the words out of his mouth...

"INDIANAPOLIS – South Carolina defensive back Antonio Allen was told by multiple teams at the NFL Combine that they could see him playing safety, cornerback, or perhaps even linebacker in the NFL."

http://www.panthers.com/news/article...c-33dbbdd3733a

Trogdor 03-22-2012 04:20 PM

I didn't say Connor excelled in coverage in fact all through the discussion thread I was the nay-sayer in that he was mediocre in coverage and not the "Starting MLB" that other pegged him as :)

As a fellow PSU grad I'd say I'm pretty objective when it comes to our guys :D

I was just explaining that the reason you saw so much of Church at ILB was out of necessity (our aging ILBs couldn't cover) and not one out of preference IMHO.

I do like Irvin as an athlete but he'd be wedged as a backup to Ware as there is no way he'd be able to anchor and play Spencer's spot. I think he'll excel as a 3rd down rusher though as he gains bulk.

Biggest question... Right kind of guy? If he passes the interview then it's a value pick but I wonder if he even has a chance.

:( This also looks like a nail in my Jake Bequette hope for this mock xD

Witten4HOF 03-22-2012 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trogdor (Post 2917328)
I didn't say Connor excelled in coverage in fact all through the discussion thread I was the nay-sayer in that he was mediocre in coverage and not the "Starting MLB" that other pegged him as :)

As a fellow PSU grad I'd say I'm pretty objective when it comes to our guys :D

I was just explaining that the reason you saw so much of Church at ILB was out of necessity (our aging ILBs couldn't cover) and not one out of preference IMHO.

I do like Irvin as an athlete but he'd be wedged as a backup to Ware as there is no way he'd be able to anchor and play Spencer's spot. I think he'll excel as a 3rd down rusher though as he gains bulk.

Biggest question... Right kind of guy? If he passes the interview then it's a value pick but I wonder if he even has a chance.

:( This also looks like a nail in my Jake Bequette hope for this mock xD

I don't know if Ryan needs a true strong side linebacker in his scheme... he is always moving players around and Ware sees his fair share of time on that side of the field. I could even see Irvin getting a little package at SAM in 3rd and long situations.

I just dont know if JG would sign off on a guy that cant keep his nose clean, in the third round I think he is well worth the risk though =)

Trogdor 03-22-2012 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witten4HOF (Post 2917424)
I don't know if Ryan needs a true strong side linebacker in his scheme... he is always moving players around and Ware sees his fair share of time on that side of the field. I could even see Irvin getting a little package at SAM in 3rd and long situations.

I just dont know if JG would sign off on a guy that cant keep his nose clean, in the third round I think he is well worth the risk though =)

Agreed on JG. But on defense you can't have two guys rushing all-out on the outside or you have zero sustain. Dangerous against mobile QBs and draws / counters. I do agree with the notion that Irvin would have a place (mentioned 3rd down rusher in my post) but I think his ability to take the field other than as a pass-rush specialist would be extremely minimal.

His talent vs draft pick is going to be a steal it's just a matter of a team trusting him to leave his baggage behind. It was admirable that he kept his nose clean after his upbringing but the last incident showed it is not completely repressed.

D-Unit 03-22-2012 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witten4HOF (Post 2917424)
I don't know if Ryan needs a true strong side linebacker in his scheme... he is always moving players around and Ware sees his fair share of time on that side of the field. I could even see Irvin getting a little package at SAM in 3rd and long situations.

I just dont know if JG would sign off on a guy that cant keep his nose clean, in the third round I think he is well worth the risk though =)

2nd to the last pick in the 3rd too! :)

We're talking Robert Brewster, Jason Williams, James Marten range. lol. It's worth the risk. I do think he's got plenty of room to fill out. You could even tell at the combine that he was bigger than he was during the season. As for the character... I think Garrett would care more about that on the offensive side of the ball, especially if Ryan gave his endorsement (total assumption on whether he'd like Irvin though).


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:18 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.