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JohnCandy 03-28-2012 11:54 PM

Who is the #3 DE in the Draft?
 
It appears that Quentin Coples and Melvin Ingram have cemented themselves as the top 2 rated DEs in this class.

But who is the 3rd rated DE in the class?

Whitney Mercilus [Illinois]
Andre Branch [Clemson]
Nick Perry [USC]
Courtney Upshaw [Alabama]
Vinny Curry [Marshall]

RWills 03-29-2012 08:50 AM

Not sure I would call Mevin Ingram as a DE

Don't sleep on Chandler Jones....players with that length and raw ability seem to go much higher than expected

princefielder28 03-29-2012 09:04 AM

Right now here's my top 5 at DE

1. Cam Johnson : Virginia
2. Chandler Jones : Syracuse
3. Quinton Coples : North Carolina
4. Melvin Ingram : South Carolina
5. Vinny Curry : Marshall

RWills 03-29-2012 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 2925872)
Right now here's my top 5 at DE

1. Cam Johnson : Virginia
2. Chandler Jones : Syracuse
3. Quinton Coples : North Carolina
4. Melvin Ingram : South Carolina
5. Vinny Curry : Marshall

Cam Johnson was more productive playing OLB in a 34 than DE in a 43

princefielder28 03-29-2012 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RWills (Post 2925893)
Cam Johnson was more productive playing OLB in a 34 than DE in a 43

that could not be more inaccurate...

bitonti 03-29-2012 09:58 AM

it depends on how you define DE.

I voted Mercilus.

Upshaw is the best OLB in the draft. He's probably not the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th best DE

descendency 03-29-2012 10:30 AM

Nick Perry, every 7th game.

RWills 03-29-2012 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 2925904)
that could not be more inaccurate...

43 DE - 30 tackles; 4 sacks; 1 PD

34 OLB - 54 tackles; 6 sacks; 5 PD

just by watching the games you can see he is more comfortable in Groh's system. Lacks that elite explosion to be a constant threat from the outside but has an all around game.

RWills 03-29-2012 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitonti (Post 2925913)
it depends on how you define DE.

I voted Mercilus.

Upshaw is the best OLB in the draft. He's probably not the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th best DE

I voted for Mercilus as well...the guy has a good head, long(active) arms and bends the corner. Wouldnt be suprised to see him go top 15, higher than Upshaw.

princefielder28 03-29-2012 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWills (Post 2925954)
43 DE - 30 tackles; 4 sacks; 1 PD

34 OLB - 54 tackles; 6 sacks; 5 PD

just by watching the games you can see he is more comfortable in Groh's system. Lacks that elite explosion to be a constant threat from the outside but has an all around game.

not sure where you're getting those stats (I'm not a big stats person to begin with) but Virginia has transitioned to a 4-3 defense over these last two seasons and Cam has continued to become a better player as an end showing wonderful use of his hands and does a nice job of working down the line against the run...he's not going to be an elite pass rusher (I am not sure any end in this class will be elite) but he's as complete of a defensive end as you're gonna find in this class

NorrinRadd12 03-30-2012 10:11 AM

Curry is my #1 DE. Perfect frame, plays with terrific leverage and explodes out of his stance at the snap.

I love Upshaw and Perry but as 3-4 OLBs. I think Ingram is a 3-4 OLB too but to me he's just blah.

I understand why people compare Coples to Tuck, but he stands straight up and is easily blocked.

Mercilus has a great frame and fluid hips but he couldn't shed a block to save his life. I think he'll struggle in the NFL.

Master Exploder 03-30-2012 10:21 AM

My list:
1. Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
2. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
3. Vinny Curry, Marshall
4. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
5. Nick Perry, U.S.C.

So, I suppose I'll vote for Mercilus.

Matthew Jones 03-30-2012 10:45 AM

I'll vote for Mercilus because he has the skillset to develop into an elite rusher in either a 4-3 or 3-4. He may even end up being my top defensive end pre-draft.

A Perfect Score 03-30-2012 10:54 AM

I certainly wouldn't want to play Melvin Ingram at 4-3 DE in the NFL, maybe that's just me. Coples yes, but I'm very lukewarm on him to start. I'm not really sold on any pass rusher in this class, Upshaw might be my favorite out of the lot of them but I'm not positive I love him as a 4-3 DE either.

As 4-3 DE's:

1) Quentin Coples
2) Nick Perry
3) Courtney Upshaw
4) Whitney Mercilus
5) Melvin Ingram

That list changes radically if you're talking about a 3-4 though.

Dan_Steele 03-30-2012 12:23 PM

Much like your #3 WR poll, I do not believe it is so clear cut that Coples and Ingram are the two best defensive ends in the draft. I think we will all find out after the draft that teams are all over the place with the top five ends (coples, ingram, mercilus, perry, upshaw). I personally have Perry ranked as my top pass rusher with Mercilus not too far behind. Coples is very talented and scheme diverse but his attitude is worrisome. As for Ingram, I love his motor and intensity but he is more scheme specific. He lacks the burst, the reach, and the plethora of moves to be dangerous. His short arms are also a cause for concern.

Wouldn't be surprised to see all five go Top-20, but the order is still up for debate.


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