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Sloopy 05-17-2012 03:04 PM

The PI game :P
 
BIG 10


ACC


A battle of freakish pass rush vs. probably the best OL in the contest. Who win's out here?

The secondary of the ACC is tough but are they better than Brady with a better than average receiver corps?

Can the above average secondary of the Big 10 contain the beasts the ACC has at WR to a low enough score that Brady can rally and win the scoring battle?

Can Hali and Woodly put enough pressure on Rivers to disrupt him?

We will just have to let the results tell us

jrdrylie 05-17-2012 03:46 PM

The second round matchups look much better than the first.

The Big 10 has the best offensive line. Nobody is going to beat that line. Brady is also a hug advantage here. But that is where it stops.

You could argue that the Johnsons are the two best receivers in the game. Gore is a better back than Green by far. The SEC has a good defensive line, but the ACC's is better.

tjsunstein 05-17-2012 03:54 PM

ACC but it wasn't by much.

AntoinCD 05-17-2012 04:03 PM

I absolutely love Brady behind that offensive line but the Big 10 secondary can't come close to slowing down that receiving corps and it's not like Philip Rivers is just some guy either.

ACC's front 7 is also pretty damn dominant.

I give the Big 10 the advantage at QB and O-line and that's pretty much it.

Sloopy 05-17-2012 04:25 PM

This is a tough one for me. I don't think it's even conceivable what Brady would do behind that line and it's not a bad receiver corps.

We could postulate that Brady with that kind of time and those receivers would be unstoppable, considering what he has done with worse receivers and lines.

I don't think it would be impossible for the big 10 to win this.

In the end though, I had to go with the ACC. As much as it pains me, they are just too damn good on both sides of the ball

wicket 05-17-2012 04:33 PM

pierre thomas should be the back over green, well, not sure if pierre should be the back but greene sure as hell shouldnt

vidae 05-17-2012 04:42 PM

I went ACC but it was close.

Bixby (Thumper) 05-17-2012 04:47 PM

I'm going Big 10. Tom Brady carries that team on offense. That offensive line is stellar. And their pass rush with Watt, Suh, Woodley and Hali would be great. Plus Ray Edwards, Cliff Avril, Shaun Phillips and Ryan Kerrigan had you done any research at all.

And no offense to you but I don't think you're doing a great job putting these teams together. Why don't you make note of Rashard Mendenhall and Pierre Thomas? That changes things. Why are you listing Woodley and Hali as linebackers in a 4-3 defense? Where are Laurinaitis, Greenway, Posluszny, Sean Lee, Dan Connor, Hawk and Angerer? Where are Charles Woodson and Antoine Winfield? You don't think Ryan Pickett and Domatko Peko could make the team? Did you forget Purdue existed? Drew Brees, Ray Edwards, Shaun Phillips, Cliff Avril, Bernard Pollard, Ryan Kerrigan and Dustin Keller? Michael Robinson is a beast at FB? Barry Cofield and Luis Castillo? Mario Manningham, Leon Hall and Alan Branch? Bryan Bulaga and Karl Klug? Kelvin Hayden?

ImBrotherCain 05-17-2012 04:50 PM

I voted ACC. In my own opinion it is more one sided than other people think.

Bixby (Thumper) 05-17-2012 04:51 PM

Had you listed Charles Woodson, Leon Hall or Antoine Winfield over Gamble that changes things. Same with Cliff Avril over Will Smith. Make it:

QB: Brady
RB: Mendenhall / Greene
FB: Robinson
TE: Daniels
WR: Lloyd / Holmes / Manningham
LT: Thomas
LG: Nicks
C: Mangold
RG: Yanda
RT: Long

LE: Avril
DT: Watt
DT: Suh
DE: Woodley
SLB: Greenway
MLB: Sean Lee
WLB: Navorro Bowman
CB: Vontae Davis / Charles Woodson / Leon Hall
SS: Whitner
FS: Jenkins

Big ten wins.

vidae 05-17-2012 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bixby (Post 3002815)
I'm going Big 10. Tom Brady carries that team on offense. That offensive line is stellar. And their pass rush with Watt, Suh, Woodley and Hali would be great. Plus Ray Edwards, Cliff Avril, Shaun Phillips and Ryan Kerrigan had you done any research at all.

And no offense to you but I don't think you're doing a great job putting these teams together. Why don't you make note of Rashard Mendenhall and Pierre Thomas? That changes things. Why are you listing Woodley and Hali as linebackers in a 4-3 defense? Where are Laurinaitis, Greenway, Posluszny, Sean Lee, Dan Connor, Hawk and Angerer? Where are Charles Woodson and Antoine Winfield? You don't think Ryan Pickett and Domatko Peko could make the team? Did you forget Purdue existed? Drew Brees, Ray Edwards, Shaun Phillips, Cliff Avril, Bernard Pollard, Ryan Kerrigan and Dustin Keller? Michael Robinson is a beast at FB? Barry Cofield and Luis Castillo? Mario Manningham, Leon Hall and Andre Branch? Bryan Bulaga and Karl Klug? Kelvin Hayden?

Half of those people you named are awful. Bernard Pollard? AJ Hawk? Really?

Bixby (Thumper) 05-17-2012 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3002823)
Half of those people you named are awful. Bernard Pollard? AJ Hawk? Really?

Half ≠ 2 10chars

ImBrotherCain 05-17-2012 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bixby (Post 3002824)
Half ≠ 2 10chars

Its far worse than that boss.

Brothgar 05-17-2012 05:01 PM

Why Greene and not Wells?

Bixby (Thumper) 05-17-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ImBrotherCain (Post 3002827)
Its far worse than that boss.

Of the rest the only borderline guys I see are Hayden and Castillo. Name the players who don't belong outside of Hawk, Pollard, Hayden and Castillo.

And are you really going to pretend that having Gamble over Woodson, Hall and Winfield and having Greene over Mendenhall are mistakes. And missing Sean Lee, Poz and Greenway are pretty big omissions.

vidae 05-17-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bixby (Post 3002821)
Had you listed Charles Woodson, Leon Hall or Antoine Winfield over Gamble that changes things. Same with Cliff Avril over Will Smith. Make it:

QB: Brady
RB: Mendenhall / Greene
FB: Robinson
TE: Daniels
WR: Lloyd / Holmes / Manningham
LT: Thomas
LG: Nicks
C: Mangold
RG: Yanda
RT: Long

LE: Avril
DT: Watt
DT: Suh
DE: Woodley
SLB: Greenway
MLB: Sean Lee
WLB: Navorro Bowman
CB: Vontae Davis / Charles Woodson / Leon Hall
SS: Whitner
FS: Jenkins

Big ten wins.

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Originally Posted by Bixby (Post 3002824)
Half ≠ 2 10chars


descendency 05-17-2012 05:08 PM

Phillip Rivers + Miami 01 = best team ever.

Bixby (Thumper) 05-17-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3002830)

What is wrong with you people? You're an abrasive bunch.

ImBrotherCain 05-17-2012 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bixby (Post 3002815)
I'm going Big 10. Tom Brady carries that team on offense. That offensive line is stellar. And their pass rush with Watt, Suh, Woodley and Hali would be great. Plus Ray Edwards, Cliff Avril, Shaun Phillips and Ryan Kerrigan had you done any research at all.

And no offense to you but I don't think you're doing a great job putting these teams together. Why don't you make note of Rashard Mendenhall and Pierre Thomas? That changes things. Why are you listing Woodley and Hali as linebackers in a 4-3 defense? Where are Laurinaitis, Greenway, Posluszny, Sean Lee, Dan Connor, Hawk and Angerer? Where are Charles Woodson and Antoine Winfield? You don't think Ryan Pickett and Domatko Peko could make the team? Did you forget Purdue existed? Drew Brees, Ray Edwards, Shaun Phillips, Cliff Avril, Bernard Pollard, Ryan Kerrigan and Dustin Keller? Michael Robinson is a beast at FB? Barry Cofield and Luis Castillo? Mario Manningham, Leon Hall and Alan Branch? Bryan Bulaga and Karl Klug? Kelvin Hayden?

To be fair he has both bases covered in terms of 3-4 an 4-3. We aren't talking about making a full roster its a starting lineup for fun.

As for players who shouldn't even be considered... Connor, Hawk, Pickett, Robinson (FB wasn't even listed) Bulaga, Klug and that is just the start. You can make arguments for some sure but to go on a rant of these people not being included is crazy.

Sure maybe if you factor in depth the Big 10 might win more handily (Didn't do enough research to make a decision) but the fact is that is not the parameters that Sloopy as made for this.

Bulldogs 05-17-2012 06:20 PM

I think the ACC team wins by a pretty fair amount. That team is stacked.

Complex 05-17-2012 06:33 PM

Miami plus a good NFL QB > all

Sloopy 05-17-2012 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 3002803)
pierre thomas should be the back over green, well, not sure if pierre should be the back but greene sure as hell shouldnt

It was actually a toss up between Pierre, Greene and Wells. I couldn't decide but I felt that Greene has been the best producer of the 3 and went with him, it could have easily been the other two though


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Originally Posted by Bixby (Post 3002821)
Had you listed Charles Woodson, Leon Hall or Antoine Winfield over Gamble that changes things. Same with Cliff Avril over Will Smith. Make it:

I think Gamble is a bit underrated by people, I considered Hall over him, but felt it was pretty close. I also considered Woodson but with Woodson being more of a slot guy, I didn't feel comfortable putting him in a #1/#2 spot.

In fact, I almost put Woodson at safety but I felt that people would poo poo at that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bixby (Post 3002815)
I'm going Big 10. Tom Brady carries that team on offense. That offensive line is stellar. And their pass rush with Watt, Suh, Woodley and Hali would be great. Plus Ray Edwards, Cliff Avril, Shaun Phillips and Ryan Kerrigan had you done any research at all.

If you read the original post you would know I narrowed it down to one for each position without back ups.

Letting people interchange players could mean everyone basing their decisions off of completely different teams than anyone else.

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And no offense to you but I don't think you're doing a great job putting these teams together. Why don't you make note of Rashard Mendenhall and Pierre Thomas?
Again, I had to make a decision on one person. Mendenhall is good but not great, to be completely honest, none of the big ten backs are that great.

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Why are you listing Woodley and Hali as linebackers in a 4-3 defense?
I actually built this to be able to mix a 3-4 and 4-3 although Hali and Woodley are best fit in a 3-4.

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Where are Laurinaitis
TRUST ME, I have a huge man crush on Laurinaitis and would have loved to put him there.

Even still, Navorro Bowman and David Harris are the best ILB from this division.

Bowman and Harris as 3-4 ILB > JL as a 4-3 ILB

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Greenway
Greenway is a great player but both Hali and Woodley are better 3-4 OLB than Greenway is a 4-3 OLB

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Posluszny
See explanation for JL

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Sean Lee
Bowman and Harris > Sean Lee

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Dan Connor
Dude is pretty much a backup

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Hawk
This man is certainly underrated but not better than the two chosen

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and Angerer?
Being the best Colts LB doesn't make you the best LB.

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Where are Charles Woodson and Antoine Winfield?
Explained CHalres Woodson and Winfield is pretty washed up at this point in his career

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You don't think Ryan Pickett and Domatko Peko could make the team?
Peko is a great rotational guy, not solid by himself.

Pickett almost made it but had to make a judgement call.

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Did you forget Purdue existed?
Nope

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Drew Brees
If I was building my own team, I probably take Brees over Brady at this point; but I have to think about more than myself, I have to think about what most people would agree upon.

Furthermore I liked they idea of Brady behind that line with those receivers. He is a big reason that an argument could be made for the big ten in this matchup

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Ray Edwards
Over rated

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Shaun Phillips
Not better than Hali or Woodson

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Cliff Avril
Almost made it

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Bernard Pollard
Whitner > Pollard

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Ryan Kerrigan
Great season but Hali and Woodson still are better

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and Dustin Keller?
Owen Daniels is a better receiver and we needed another receiving option for Brady

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Michael Robinson is a beast at FB?
Agreed, but there are no FBs on these lists.

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Barry Cofield
Almost made it

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Luis Castillo?
Not these days

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Mario Manningham
Your talking about a slot guy over two #1 type receivers?

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Bryan Bulaga
Look at who he is up against... Who would you replace with Bulaga

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Kelvin Hayden?
Up against VD and CG?

Rosebud 05-17-2012 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bixby (Post 3002815)
I'm going Big 10. Tom Brady carries that team on offense. That offensive line is stellar. And their pass rush with Watt, Suh, Woodley and Hali would be great. Plus Ray Edwards, Cliff Avril, Shaun Phillips and Ryan Kerrigan had you done any research at all.

And no offense to you but I don't think you're doing a great job putting these teams together. Why don't you make note of Rashard Mendenhall and Pierre Thomas? That changes things. Why are you listing Woodley and Hali as linebackers in a 4-3 defense? Where are Laurinaitis, Greenway, Posluszny, Sean Lee, Dan Connor, Hawk and Angerer? Where are Charles Woodson and Antoine Winfield? You don't think Ryan Pickett and Domatko Peko could make the team? Did you forget Purdue existed? Drew Brees, Ray Edwards, Shaun Phillips, Cliff Avril, Bernard Pollard, Ryan Kerrigan and Dustin Keller? Michael Robinson is a beast at FB? Barry Cofield and Luis Castillo? Mario Manningham, Leon Hall and Alan Branch? Bryan Bulaga and Karl Klug? Kelvin Hayden?

That's a lot of unspectacular/mediocre players to be acting so douche-y about.

Sloopy 05-17-2012 07:10 PM

Also Bixby, there are just as many guys who could be listed for the ACC that weren't listed, the point is that I had to narrow it down to a starting lineup without back ups

Shane P. Hallam 05-17-2012 07:11 PM

I'll be a Big 10 homer, but honestly, only reason is Brady + O-line vs. that secondary.


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