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Giantsfan1080 06-29-2012 08:15 PM

2012 NFLDC Top 10 CB
 
1. Darrelle Revis, New York Jets (170) UNANIMOUS
2. Joe Haden, Cleveland Browns (112)
3. Nnamdi Asomugha, Philadelphia Eagles (110)
4. Johnathan Joseph, Houston Texans (89)
5. Brandon Flowers, Kansas City Chiefs (69)
5. Lardarius Webb, Baltimore Ravens (69)
7. Charles Woodson, Green Bay Packers (60)
8. Champ Bailey, Denver Broncos (40)
9. Carlos Rogers, San Francisco 49ers (30)
9. Corey Webster, New York Giants (30)


*Vote Total in Parentheses

Bulldogs 06-29-2012 08:20 PM

I think one of either Brent Grimes or Asante Samuel deserved a spot but I could see why it'd be close.

Giantsfan1080 06-29-2012 08:21 PM

Grimes and Samuel were the two next guys with 29 points each.

Bulldogs 06-29-2012 08:23 PM

There's alot of good corners, Chris Gamble and Ike Taylor are other names that deserve consideration. I personally wouldn't put Webb top 10 yet.

VAfy-ya 06-29-2012 08:28 PM

Very surprised to see Rogers on the list. A couple of ints can change your perception as a CB or a safety. Its the truth because he's still basically the same CB he was in D.C. Solid in all areas, just catching the ball now instead.

Splat 06-29-2012 08:32 PM

I really wasn't expecting to see Flowers get so much love. :)

TACKLE 06-29-2012 08:41 PM

This is actually a very solid list. CB is one of the tougher groups because it's Revis and then a big mash of everybody else. The only objection I would have would be no PP7 but I understand there's varying criteria based on previous production vs. prospective (2012 season) production.

fenikz 06-29-2012 08:42 PM

no Patrick Peterson lol

vidae 06-29-2012 08:51 PM

I had both PP7 and Haden on my list, but I think Haden is a tad overrated here. Still good to great, but no way is he that high.

<3 the Flowers love.

Bulldogs 06-29-2012 08:59 PM

PP7 is great, but no way would I rank him top 10 yet.

Giantsfan1080 06-29-2012 09:30 PM

I don't think Peterson is top 10 yet after a half of a year. He did struggle a bit early on before he got things going. When we do this next year he'll for sure be in the top 10. I think Webster is still a little underrated by a few spot but he doesn't get much pub ever.

fenikz 06-29-2012 09:48 PM

it says 2012 top 10 CB not 2011

Bulldogs 06-29-2012 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3045157)
it says 2012 top 10 CB not 2011

I guess where we differ is that I'm ranking them based on who I'd take in a game today, maybe I missed the criteria.

XxXdragonXxX 06-29-2012 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3045128)
no Patrick Peterson lol

If you're putting Peterson on there, Sherman should be on there to, ahead of Peterson.

Reality is neither should be on there til they prove it.

VAfy-ya 06-29-2012 09:57 PM

PP has no business being on anyone top 10 CB list....unless your a Cards fan of course. Richard Sherman looks like the better CB to this point and if he isnt being debated, why should Peterson?

TACKLE 06-29-2012 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldogs (Post 3045158)
I guess where we differ is that I'm ranking them based on who I'd take in a game today, maybe I missed the criteria.

See, I like that criteria. However, if that is your criteria then you need to recognize that PP improved significantly throughout the season and teams really started avoiding him because he was playing like a top 10 CB down the stretch. Now factor in that year one to year two is where players make their biggest jump, it's safe to assume he continue to take big steps forward from where he ended off. Steve Smith beating him in week 1 or Nicks beating him in week 4 is not indicative of the player he is today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080 (Post 3045153)
When we do this next year he'll for sure be in the top 10.

Then wouldn't that mean he was a top 10 CB in 2012?

Ness 06-29-2012 11:56 PM

I really like Webb. Best corner no one talks about.

K Train 06-30-2012 12:03 AM

webb, rodgers and even bailey and woodson have no part on this list above webster

woodson was not that good last year, im sure he'll be seeing more safety action.

cant really argue with 1-5 though

Giantsfan1080 06-30-2012 12:13 AM

There was no specific criteria that I wanted to everyone to use. I wanted everyone to just use their own judgement based on whatever they want. I didn't vote to make it fair but I would be one to think you're not a top 10 guy until you prove it. PP didn't proved it over a full year yet but he has a great potential to that in 2012.

TACKLE 06-30-2012 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ness (Post 3045191)
I really like Webb. Best corner no one talks about.

Who among us can resist the opportunity to hype a player on our team when a fan from another team brings up him up?!?

When we go to our sub packages, Webb actually kicks inside and I am confident in saying he is the best nickelback in the league. I can't think of any CB's outside of Revis who could play both the pass and the run both inside and outside as well as Webb (he's also a very good return man). There are probably a couple better pure outside cover men (J-Jo, Nnamdi) but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a more well rounded CB in the league than Webb. His progression from 2010 to 2011 was as significant as any player in the league.



And GF, I understand why some would be reluctant to put PP that high this early, I do. I personally was just super impressed with how he played towards the end of the season which is why I think I hold him in a higher regard in the first place. From that impression I factor in what he brings to the table ability-wise.

*For the record I like the no criteria. Makes it more open, more diverse, doesn't help/hurt some players rankings and ultimately leaves more room for discussion.

Ness 06-30-2012 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K Train (Post 3045198)
webb, rodgers and even bailey and woodson have no part on this list above webster

woodson was not that good last year, im sure he'll be seeing more safety action.

cant really argue with 1-5 though

Webster was targeted a lot last season, among the league's top ten most targeted. Just saying. Not sure why you believe he should be higher than the other guys, especially Webb who had a fantastic season.

Giantsfan1080 06-30-2012 01:45 AM

Who cares if Webster was targeted? He's been shutdown since the game against the Bills in 08. He's struggled in a game against Jackson and that's it. I also don't believe these target numbers.

tjsunstein 06-30-2012 02:41 AM

Grimes, Peterson, Samuel, and even Carr had a case.

Ness 06-30-2012 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080 (Post 3045231)
Who cares if Webster was targeted? He's been shutdown since the game against the Bills in 08. He's struggled in a game against Jackson and that's it. I also don't believe these target numbers.

Corey Webster a shut down corner? Sorry, shut down to me means someone playing on the level of a Darrell Revis, Champ Bailey, Rod Woodson, or Deion Sanders in their prime. Hall of Fame type guys. Webster is good (especially that season in 2008), but in response to the other poster, saying that he shouldn't be below everyone else "just because" is kind of weak in my opinion.

Here are the numbers of the most targeted cornerbacks according to Pro Football Focus:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-2011-numbers/

Believe what you want.

TACKLE 06-30-2012 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjsunstein (Post 3045239)
Grimes, Peterson, Samuel, and even Carr had a case.

I concur!!!


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