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Complex 08-10-2012 01:07 PM

CB/KR/PR Tyrann "Honey Badger" Mathieu Kicked Out of LSU
 
He failed another drug test his 4th or 5th and now got kicked. Where does he go in the draft?

jrdrylie 08-10-2012 01:21 PM

I'm glad somebodye agrees with me on him. I think he is highly overrated. He's good, but he would not have half this hype if his nickname wasn't Honey Badger.

Some people hyped him as a possible first round pick. But the fact is he is an undersized tweener who doesn't have great speed. I thought his ceiling was a slot corner. With all these issues, he's a 4th or 5th rounder in my eyes.

SolidGold 08-10-2012 01:29 PM

I thought he was a good player - he seemed to always be around the ball and make plays. He is a very good college player for sure but as a pro prospect he did not project as well. Still its a loss for that LSU defense although Ron Brooks impressed me last night vs the Redskins.

TitanHope 08-10-2012 01:34 PM

I hope no one compares this to be like the Janoris Jenkins outcome. Mathieu doesn't have that level of talent. This is like if Cortland Finnegan got busted multiple times for drugs. And actually, Mathieu may not even have Finny's speed, so that may be generous.

He had questions prior to drugs, but I wonder how many times teams will pass on a guy who is a major playmaker, on both defense and special teams.

Shane P. Hallam 08-10-2012 01:36 PM

He'll go high in the draft still if he has a good 2013 season somewhere else, but I can't say I'm a huge fan either.

OSUGiants17 08-10-2012 01:46 PM

late 2nd early 3rd. He is still physical and can make plays. He was overrated as a corner, but there is no denying in a zone scheme or as a slot corner he would excell in the pros. Yes he is undersized, but he has a 6th sense of just knowing how to get the ball into his hands. His return skills were overrated, but he wasn't bad. There is a difference between overrated and just being flat out bad, the kid was overrated definitely, but he is still a good ball player. Any ideas where he will go? Maybe he, Crowell, and Dyer can all team up at the same d2 school!

Don Vito 08-10-2012 01:51 PM

What a tard. Say what you want about his NFL future, but this is a big blow to LSU. Yes they have a talented secondary but he was the spark and attitude of that team, not to mention a Heisman finalist.

He is not going to be Revis, Scrabble, Woodson, or an elite NFL shutdown corner but he is a Finnegan type player when it comes to his attitude and chippiness that rubs off on everyone around him. I'd put him somewhere between Finnegan and Antoine Winfield as far as what kind of player he is.

If a team drafts him to be a number one corner they will be disappointed, but that isn't going to happen. He could be a great addition to a team as a #2/#3 corner and he will be an ace on special teams. Everyone knows what he brings to the table, and outside of ESPN nobody is expecting him to be a lockdown #1 corner in the NFL.

JRTPlaya21 08-10-2012 02:01 PM

He will fit in well in Cincy or Oakland.

TitanHope 08-10-2012 02:33 PM

Nickelbacks should be a commodity. The 3rd CB is becoming a prominent position on several teams, and is treated as a starting position on some teams due to the amount of snaps that the spot sees - especially in the heavy passing schemes we see. So even if he's not seen as a #1 CB, he can still be seen as a starter, which is worth an early pick. Especially with his playmaking ability, willingness to play the run, and blitzing ability.

4th RD is probably is the lazy guess. Those things are like draftnikian heroine in the forum mocks. Don't know how much a guy is worth? Eh, trade a 4th for him. Don't know about taking a guy? 4th is early enough to take the chance.

Pat Sims 90 08-10-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRTPlaya21 (Post 3085742)
He will fit in well in Cincy or Oakland.

No Mike Zimmer does not like undersized players.

Ron 08-10-2012 02:55 PM

I think he would be a good fit on the Packers to replace Woodson. Ill say end of the second round for him

descendency 08-10-2012 03:11 PM

I think he's a late rounder, but I'd take him in NE.

He's a nickel DB.

This guy isn't going to be drafted in the first 3 rounds now. NFL teams won't touch guys with multiple red flags that high, even dumb ones are smarter than that.

P-L 08-10-2012 05:44 PM

Honey Badger was originally overrated, but has now become ridiculously underrated. Like it has been said, he's not going to play the outside but that doesn't mean he can't be very valuable. It's been beaten to death, but he is perfect for the role that Charles Woodson is playing this year in Green Bay. Put him at safety in base packages and have him play the slot in nickel packages. His ball skills are unreal, he can play the run, tackles well, and is pretty solid in zone coverage.

P-L 08-10-2012 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitanHope (Post 3085700)
I hope no one compares this to be like the Janoris Jenkins outcome.

Regardless of talent, this is different. Jenkins never actually failed a drug trust. He was also only caught physically in possession once. The second arrest was actually when a cop (the same one that arrested him the first time) found pot in Jenkins' buddy's car, in which Jenkins was a passenger. That is much different than failing three drug tests, especially after knowing that strike three means you're gone.

SchizophrenicBatman 08-10-2012 06:36 PM

If a legit stud like Janoris cant go round 1 (still the dumbest move of last draft) then Mathieu is headed for day 3

brat316 08-10-2012 07:18 PM

Ufl, Ufl, Ufl

fenikz 08-10-2012 07:46 PM

They will teach him how to pass drug tests during the rookie symposium he will be fine

underscore 08-10-2012 08:27 PM

He'll be at McNeese State this year

Brent 08-11-2012 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3086124)
They will teach him how to pass drug tests during the rookie symposium he will be fine

Fenikz. This is why I like you so much.

Bengals78 08-11-2012 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRTPlaya21 (Post 3085742)
He will fit in well in Cincy or Oakland.

What is it 2005 again?

He will fit in well in Detroit.

Cudders 08-11-2012 12:00 PM

At this point, I think most teams will have a fourth-round ceiling valuation on Mathieu. Repeat drug offenders are bad news to NFL teams. Drug use isn’t stock-crippling because a good portion of the league has at least experimented with illicit substances before. A documented pattern of drug abuse is stock-crippling though. Those prospects, fair or not, are seen as unreliable. And being reliable is one of the most important qualities to coaches.

I’m sure Mathieu was made aware of the stakes at LSU beforehand. If he failed another drug test, he was going to be dismissed from the team. Given that information, he went out and failed another drug test. That will be viewed as a problem. Evaluators will see someone understanding the consequences of their actions and then making a conscious choice to ignore them. Again, fair or not.

The best move to rehabilitate Mathieu’s stock might be to check himself into a clinic of some sort. That would show some initiative. That he’s identified the “problem” and he’s taking the required steps to address it. I think that would help more than a season of FCS football at McNeese State. He’s put together some distinctive, fine film at LSU. That will comprise the foundation of his evaluation regardless.

From an on-field perspective alone, I would give Mathieu a second-round grade based on last season. Like some have said before me, he’s not a lockdown corner that can erase a number one with tight, press man. The other aspects of his skill set aren’t nullified because of that though. He profiles as an excellent slot corner and the value of those are on the rise with the pervasiveness of pass-oriented sub-packages. He’s got a nose for the action, hawking ball skills, ferocious run support, and solid coverage abilities. Simply, he’s a crafty playmaker with special teams utility. That’s got value still. He’s not Darrelle Revis, but he shouldn’t be measured against that standard either. He’s a unique prospect and should be treated as such.

His nickname is stupid and needs to go though.

DcmRulz 08-11-2012 02:20 PM

2nd-3rd round on talent, 6th round (or worse) projection, due to the red flags. Some team will be brash enough to take him on day 2 and think that he can be tamed, or that the playmaking upside makes up for the high risk of suspension.

If I ran a team, I would not be brave enough to take a chance that high.

cmarq83 08-11-2012 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-L (Post 3085940)
Honey Badger was originally overrated, but has now become ridiculously underrated. Like it has been said, he's not going to play the outside but that doesn't mean he can't be very valuable. It's been beaten to death, but he is perfect for the role that Charles Woodson is playing this year in Green Bay. Put him at safety in base packages and have him play the slot in nickel packages. His ball skills are unreal, he can play the run, tackles well, and is pretty solid in zone coverage.

This is where I stand on Mathieu as well. Before this I saw him as a late first early second type guy who would be a great addition to an already good defense. He doesn't give you traditional man cover skills that you look for in a number 1 corner, but he gives you unreal ability in terms of ball-hawking, physicality in run support, and return skills. In a lot of ways that combination is equally as rare as man cover skills. This absolutely murders his stock to the point where I think his ceiling is the 3rd round at the absolute highest even with a great combine, but it would not surprise me one bit to see him succeed in the NFL provided he can stay out of trouble.

YAYareaRB 08-11-2012 07:15 PM

i bet a lot of the people calling him overrated have never actually watched the guy play.

JRTPlaya21 08-11-2012 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengals78 (Post 3086570)
What is it 2005 again?

He will fit in well in Detroit.

Keep that filth out of Detroit.


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