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djp 08-29-2012 08:32 PM

These replacement refs are a gong show
 
For real, they are awful. I am sorry if someone has posted a thread about this already but I can't believe the NFL is seriously considering playing regular season games with these clowns. There is going to be a horrible controversy and only then will the owners pony up to pay the real refs.

I'm watching the Redskins game and the refs went to review a play, came back to midfield, and then said "We're gonna look at it again".

dot dot dot....

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Same people charging fans full price for tonight's preseason games are the ones trying to squeeze more money out of the refs.
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Ness 08-29-2012 08:37 PM

It is quite sad that this is happening. Games are at stake here, and even more importantly the safety of the players I'd like to believe. Hopefully this gets fixed soon.

Brothgar 08-29-2012 08:38 PM

Yeah there was a similar broth up in the giants game the refs must have taken 15 minutes for a penalty. it was awful.

fenikz 08-29-2012 08:42 PM

do people not remember how horrific the normal refs were?

Giantsfan1080 08-29-2012 08:43 PM

It seems like these refs don't know the rules correctly which scares me.

Brothgar 08-29-2012 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3101806)
do people not remember how horrific the normal refs were?

As bad as the regular refs were they were no where near as bad as the replacement refs.

Ness 08-29-2012 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3101806)
do people not remember how horrific the normal refs were?

Well the normal officials aren't going to be correct all the time. I think their job in this era has been made a lot more difficult with the "rule on the side of caution" mantra. Regardless, they're highly experienced and are of the highest professional grade. These replacement officials are essentially learning all of the nuances of this game on the fly. If you're a coach or a player, or a fan like us, you'd still want the best officials that are possible.

BeerBaron 08-29-2012 09:05 PM

Eh, everyone is overreacting. Here is what I was saying about them in another thread:

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 3101617)
Eh, we knew it was coming. Was only a matter of time until it was made official.

Like I've said before, if you were watching one of the games and weren't told that the officials were replacements, would you really be able to tell a difference? Even the regular officials make flat out stupid mistakes. Everyone has just been playing closer attention now that they know the officials are replacements.

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 3101628)
The league obviously isn't willing to do this given the current situation, but I think they need to make all of the refs full time employees and train them year round. During the offseason, they can review games, get tested, monitor practices, etc. etc.

And while they never announce it, the league office supposedly does critique the officials. But it doesn't help that they then go out an announce immediately after that they "stand by his call" and that BS.

And I'm not talking like, the Calvin Johnson rule either. I'm talking actual mistakes, not just enforcing dumb rules. For instance, the non-fumble fumble from the Packers/Giants playoff game was one of the most greivous I've ever seen. It even held up after review iirc. A lot of people bitched (it would have been a bigger deal if the Giants didn't go on to win) but the league off stood by the calls saying that he was down by contact because the outside part of his foot was on the ground when he lost control of the ball.

Holy dear christ, if that means a player is down by contact, every agile RB would be down by contact as soon as a defender graced him with their fingertips.

But that might just be Bill Leavy. Only the top officials are supposed to be selected for post season games and that guy has been the ref for the two worst officiated games I've ever witnessed.



tl:dr - The replacement refs aren't that much worse than the regular ones, people are just paying much closer attention to them knowing that they're replacements.

Giantsfan1080 08-29-2012 09:06 PM

They don't know the rules though BB. Yes both sets of refs will get calls wrong since the games moves so fast but these refs are making mistakes based on the rule book.

BeerBaron 08-29-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080 (Post 3101832)
They don't know the rules though BB. Yes both sets of refs will get calls wrong since the games moves so fast but these refs are making mistakes based on the rule book.

Well, clearly the NFL doesn't give a ****. Instead of us bitching about judgement calls like we normally do, we're just going to be bitching about a different kind of officiating error.

Giantsfan1080 08-29-2012 09:09 PM

The NFL isn't always right. They are always greedy though.

BeerBaron 08-29-2012 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080 (Post 3101837)
The NFL isn't always right. They are always greedy though.

Well, the only real means we have to protest is to stop watching the games and buying their ****.

And we know that isn't going to happen.

BaLLiN 08-29-2012 09:11 PM

i would rather have the normal refs who usually only screwed up on reviews occasionally then referees that don't know that there is a 10 second run off for an offensive penalty, that can't think out what they are going to say or even ask the coach if they are accepting or declining the penalty. They should know the process of the game and the rules right?

Giantsfan1080 08-29-2012 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 3101840)
Well, the only real means we have to protest is to stop watching the games and buying their ****.

And we know that isn't going to happen.

Correct on that. I just hope more games than usual aren't decided by ref mistake.

fenikz 08-29-2012 09:12 PM

The normal refs didn't know the rules either

Giantsfan1080 08-29-2012 09:13 PM

And the refs just got the rules wrong again. They threw a flag for too many men in the huddle but gave NE a TO anyway and said no penalty.

Giantsfan1080 08-29-2012 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3101845)
The normal refs didn't know the rules either

Anything you remember in particular?

fenikz 08-29-2012 09:16 PM

victor cruz laying the ball on the ground and instead of it being fumble they claimed he gave himself up

cost the Cardinals a game at home

Giantsfan1080 08-29-2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3101851)
victor cruz laying the ball on the ground and instead of it being fumble they claimed he gave himself up

cost the Cardinals a game at home

Haha I knew you would say that. They called that right, he did give himself up. He went down on his own. You may not like the rule but it was the right call. Same for the Tuck Rule.

fenikz 08-29-2012 09:18 PM

he never was touched and simply placed the ball on the ground after a catch

it's either an incompletion or a fumble, no way is it a completion and then giving himself up

Giantsfan1080 08-29-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3101859)
he never was touched and simply placed the ball on the ground after a catch

it's either an incompletion or a fumble, no way is it a completion and then giving himself up

That's not the rule. You don't have to be touched if you go down on your own giving yourself up.

Anyway I was wrong about the TO thing. It's a new rule so I give the refs credit for getting that right.

djp 08-29-2012 09:22 PM

They're making the games longer as well.

fenikz 08-29-2012 09:23 PM

you're wrong but obviously you aren't gonna change your mind as you want to protect the refs and the giants

Jvig43 08-29-2012 09:26 PM

The Pats Giants had a pretty good one where they consulted with both coaches and then themselves like three separate times, and addressed the crowd twice as well. Everyone on the sidelines were just laughing their asses off.

Giantsfan1080 08-29-2012 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3101871)
you're wrong but obviously you aren't gonna change your mind as you want to protect the refs and the giants

You're obviously wrong because your team lost. We went over that a million times after it happened posting the rule and it was clear that they called it right. The rule might be crap and should possibly be changed but they called it to the letter. Fans of teams who had no bias agreed.


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