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prock 09-23-2012 02:01 PM

Young Guns Pt. 2: Luck, RG3, Newton, Locker, Dalton, Ponder, Gabbert
 
Obviously Luck, RG3, and Newton will get all the votes here, but we should get a thread to talk about this next generation of young quarterbacks. Think we got some good ones in this bunch.

Brent 09-23-2012 02:12 PM

how about this Brandon Weeden kid? Browns look set for a long time.

bucfan12 09-23-2012 02:43 PM

1.Luck
2. RG III
3. Ponder
4. Newton
5. Dalton
6.Gabbert
7. Locker

The Alex 09-23-2012 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 3125540)
6. Gabbert
7. Locker


jrdrylie 09-23-2012 03:41 PM

Is Shaun Hill an option. Otherwise, give me Luck.

Complex 09-23-2012 04:00 PM

How is Ponder ahead of Newton?Hell of any of those guys.

bucfan12 09-23-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Complex (Post 3126018)
How is Ponder ahead of Newton?Hell of any of those guys.

I'll back up any talk on Cam. Ponder is actually an NFL QB running an NFL offense. Newton isn't successful unless he's running it 70-80 yards out of that stupid Read-Option offense.

If he can be successful as a passer, then he can be up there. But right now, defenses are figuring out how to isolate and he's not responding.

Raiderz4Life 09-23-2012 04:13 PM

How in God's green earth is Locker last? BEHIND GABBERT!!!

That right there voids your entire list.

bucfan12 09-23-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderz4life (Post 3126073)
How in God's green earth is Locker last? BEHIND GABBERT!!!

That right there voids your entire list.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? Have you not seen Locker play? Gabbert has shown much more than Locker.

Raiderz4Life 09-23-2012 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 3126090)
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Have you not seen Locker play? Gabbert has shown much more than Locker.

In what world?? Locker shows plenty of flashes of being good.

Ponder over Newton is another head scratcher. Think you getting the players confused.

Complex 09-23-2012 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 3126029)
I'll back up any talk on Cam. Ponder is actually an NFL QB running an NFL offense. Newton isn't successful unless he's running it 70-80 yards out of that stupid Read-Option offense.

If he can be successful as a passer, then he can be up there. But right now, defenses are figuring out how to isolate and he's not responding.

I don't even know why I asked you.

crossroads 09-23-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 3126029)
I'll back up any talk on Cam. Ponder is actually an NFL QB running an NFL offense. Newton isn't successful unless he's running it 70-80 yards out of that stupid Read-Option offense.

If he can be successful as a passer, then he can be up there. But right now, defenses are figuring out how to isolate and he's not responding.

Newton's run for 70 yards exactly once in his NFL career

Pat Sims 90 09-23-2012 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Complex (Post 3126117)
I don't even know why I asked you.

He had Josh Freeman high in the last one too. You can't really go by his list.

Pat Sims 90 09-23-2012 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 3126029)
I'll back up any talk on Cam. Ponder is actually an NFL QB running an NFL offense. Newton isn't successful unless he's running it 70-80 yards out of that stupid Read-Option offense.

If he can be successful as a passer, then he can be up there. But right now, defenses are figuring out how to isolate and he's not responding.

If you actually watch Washington this year they are pretty much running the same offense for RG3 that Cam is running in Carolina, but RG3 some how is better?

Bulldogs 09-23-2012 04:58 PM

1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin III
3. Cam Newton
4. Jake Locker
5. Christian Ponder
6. Andy Dalton
7. Blaine Gabbert

The Alex 09-23-2012 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 3126090)
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Have you not seen Locker play? Gabbert has shown much more than Locker.

In games where they have had significant playing time (at least 10 pass attempts), these are their averages:

Gabbert: 15/30, 50.4 cmp%, 164 yds, 1 td, 0 int, 68.18 rate, 5.4 y/a
Locker: 16/28, 59.5 cmp%, 218 yds, 1 td, 0 int, 95.11 rate, 7.8 y/a

And to break down their touchdowns and interceptions further:

Gabbert: 3.29 TD%, 2.26 INT%
Locker: 4.76 TD%, 1.19 INT%

Wanna take that statement back?

Raiderz4Life 09-23-2012 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldogs (Post 3126217)
1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin III
3. Cam Newton
4. Jake Locker
5. Christian Ponder
6. Andy Dalton
7. Blaine Gabbert

ding ding ding ding we have a winner!!

dolphinfan2k5 09-23-2012 05:23 PM

No Tannehill?

bucfan12 09-23-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat Sims 90 (Post 3126147)
If you actually watch Washington this year they are pretty much running the same offense for RG3 that Cam is running in Carolina, but RG3 some how is better?

Cam isn't responding to what the Defenses are doing and he's being shut down.

Haven't seen RG III exposed yet, plus RG III was a more accurate passer coming out as a prospect.

bucfan12 09-23-2012 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat Sims 90 (Post 3126141)
He had Josh Freeman high in the last one too. You can't really go by his list.

I think everyone had him on there last after 2010. Usually putting up elite numbers aren't a fluke. Guess I was wrong, but not the only one.

Complex 09-23-2012 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldogs (Post 3126217)
1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin III
3. Cam Newton
4. Jake Locker
5. Christian Ponder
6. Andy Dalton
7. Blaine Gabbert

Explain to me what RG3 and Luck have done better than Newton.Hell how are they better than Dalton?

Bulldogs 09-23-2012 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Complex (Post 3126339)
Explain to me what RG3 and Luck have done better than Newton.

It's more predicting how they will end up than anything. If you don't think Luck and RGIII have tons of potential you're blind. It was also extremely close between Newton and RGIII for the #2 spot, they might be interchangeable to me.

Pat Sims 90 09-23-2012 05:38 PM

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Complex;3126339Hell how are they better than Dalton?
Because he is a Ginger?

The Alex 09-23-2012 05:40 PM

No rebuttal about the Locker/Gabbert assertion?

Complex 09-23-2012 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldogs (Post 3126350)
It's more predicting how they will end up than anything. If you don't think Luck and RGIII have tons of potential you're blind. It was also extremely close between Newton and RGIII for the #2 spot, they might be interchangeable to me.

If your are talking about Potential than Newton has more potential than both of them.Locker has more potential than Luck and RG3. I didn't say didn't have potential, I said how are they better.


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