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bored of education 09-23-2012 02:18 PM

Matt Cassel Sucks
 
He is the worst Qb in the history of QBs. He is so awful. NEPG please defend him locking one receiver all the time?

nepg 09-23-2012 04:00 PM

He was bad today. Started staring down receivers without Boss and McCluster. He just isn't confident in the other receivers being where he thinks they're supposed to be.

vidae 09-23-2012 04:04 PM

That high ball got McCluster hurt too. Not a great day for Cassel at all. Thank god JC bailed him out.

nepg 09-23-2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3126035)
That high ball got McCluster hurt too. Not a great day for Cassel at all. Thank god JC bailed him out.

I was about to edit my post. His balls were high all game. Needs to get that fixed.

T-RICH49 09-23-2012 08:20 PM

he was leaving our WR's out to dry ALL GAME.Bowe's lucky he was'nt hurt on the one he went up for and got undercut on

King Carls 5 Year Plan 09-24-2012 04:27 PM

if anyone walked away from the Saints game believing Cassel is a NFL caliber starting QB, then you didn't watch the same game i did.

i think i figured out why this team is "soft" and seems to quit. as soon as they are in a position where Cassel has to become a QB, they all just fold. they know he can't do it and give up. in the Saints game JC broke a 91 yard TD and gave everyone that hope back. he single handedly showed everyone wearing red that he is willing to carry this team to victory. everyone saw this and banded together to play a great 2nd half. this team won that game despite their QB. even Crennel has 0 confidnece in Cassel. that's pretty evident by his game plan and play calling to just get into OT. he couldnt have Cassel lose this game for him or he would lose the whole team and probably his job.

it is time for Pioli and this front office to stop the charade and admitt that Cassel isn't the 1. i have not asked for Pioli's job at any point yet, but if he refuses to get a new QB this offseason, then he is signing his own resignation.

let me end this post with a simple statement. Matt Cassel ******* sucks!

onejayhawk 09-24-2012 06:00 PM

For this we get a new thread. Smell the coffee. For what it may be worth, he is not even the worst starting QB in the league.

J

TonyGfortheTD 09-24-2012 08:19 PM

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The Curious Case of Matt Cassel

Though he made some key throws late in the game, Matt Cassel (-2.0) put on what was otherwise a very poor display for the second week in a row. With a clean pocket for most of the afternoon, he was pressured on just 9 of his 47 pass attempts, you’d think Cassel would have shredded a New Orleans defense that has been one of the league’s worst. Instead the Kansas City QB missed on far too many passes that a player of Cassel’s experience should make. His 3rd quarter interception, which led to a Saints touchdown, came on a badly forced throw that had no chance before it even left his hand. Many of his misses were on throws downfield, as he was just 4-of-16 on passes beyond 10 yards of the line of scrimmage, including 0-6 on balls thrown 20+ yards. A performance like that isn’t going to help Cassel shed the “Captain Checkdown” moniker that some have given him, and may have fans calling for Brady Quinn before long.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...saints-week-3/

Matt Cassel sucks so hard.

TheMatriculator 09-25-2012 03:04 PM

As bad as Cassel has been, it makes me wonder why some people think that Jim Zorn is a quarterback guru. You can't tell it from Cassel...or Brady Quinn...or Ricky Stanzi. It wouldn't take a guru to say to Cassel, "dude stop staring at the receiver you are going to throw to."

BoneKrusher 09-25-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg (Post 3126042)
I was about to edit my post. His balls were high all game. Needs to get that fixed.

i found a solution for Cassels overthrows:

see how much taller Dexter appears in the above pic.

nepg 09-26-2012 06:46 PM

That was just a bad game for him. No idea what caused his throws to be high all game. His placement had been mostly very good the previous two games. He was extremely accurate in the first half of the first game... Just a fluke game, but people want to run with it like he's been like that all year.

He certainly hasn't been great outside of one half and needs to play much better, but the NO game was very flukey and not indicative of how he's played so fast this year.

vidae 09-26-2012 06:52 PM

"All year" is three games, and he hasn't been competent in any of them so far.

nepg 09-26-2012 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3130676)
"All year" is three games, and he hasn't been competent in any of them so far.

The whole team hasn't been competent all year. The defense has played for one half and the offense has played for one half.

vidae 09-26-2012 07:07 PM

I'm not disagreeing with you there, but that still doesn't change what I said.

BoneKrusher 09-26-2012 07:33 PM

it's no secret but i didn't like Cassel from Day one of his trade to KC.
he's an ok backup QB but will never be a starter than can will his team to victory.

IMO Pioli will be forced to make a move at QB or he'll be let go by Clark Hunt by the end of this season.

King Carls 5 Year Plan 09-26-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3130676)
"All year" is three games, and he hasn't been competent in any of them so far.

i like how all our opinions should be based on that 1 nice half and not the years of crappy QB play.

lets not beat around the bush. Cassel has played very well in 1 season. oh, and a half against ATL. in every other season/game/half/quarter/drive (pick your denomination) he has been poor or avg. he is not capable of leading this team to any playoff win, IMO. furthermore, its my opinion that this team has quit on him already. Crennel has 0 confidence in him. Haley tryed to sabotage this team when Pioli wouldn't let him try another QB. how long must he suck for the Chiefs before the FO realizes what most fans have seen for quite some time.

i really wish i could have a better outlook on him. i have tryed hard to ignore some of the bad things and praise his good throws. heck, i was on his bandwagon in 2010. he really fooled me that year. i guess he needs the #1 rushing attack and a patsy schedule and he still didnt get a playoff win.

just for reference. what is Matt Cassel's record for the Chiefs against teams that make the playoffs in the year he played them? 1-9! 1 and MFing 9 that 1 win??? Against the vaunted 2010 NFC West Division Champ Seattle Seahawks and their 7-9 record. oh yeah, seattle also let us run for 270 yards and gave us the ball back 3 times. Thanx Matt Cassel for continuing exactly what we always knew you could do. beat the little guys and look good enough for some to forget you SUCK against the big kids that actually play to win the Super Bowl.

vidae 09-26-2012 09:36 PM

Yeah but no one with a brain actually believes Cassel is the long term answer for us at QB. We just have to wait for them to pull their heads out of their asses and get us a QB.

nepg 09-26-2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by King Carls 5 Year Plan (Post 3130765)
i like how all our opinions should be based on that 1 nice half and not the years of crappy QB play.

lets not beat around the bush. Cassel has played very well in 1 season. oh, and a half against ATL. in every other season/game/half/quarter/drive (pick your denomination) he has been poor or avg. he is not capable of leading this team to any playoff win, IMO. furthermore, its my opinion that this team has quit on him already. Crennel has 0 confidence in him. Haley tryed to sabotage this team when Pioli wouldn't let him try another QB. how long must he suck for the Chiefs before the FO realizes what most fans have seen for quite some time.

i really wish i could have a better outlook on him. i have tryed hard to ignore some of the bad things and praise his good throws. heck, i was on his bandwagon in 2010. he really fooled me that year. i guess he needs the #1 rushing attack and a patsy schedule and he still didnt get a playoff win.

just for reference. what is Matt Cassel's record for the Chiefs against teams that make the playoffs in the year he played them? 1-9! 1 and MFing 9 that 1 win??? Against the vaunted 2010 NFC West Division Champ Seattle Seahawks and their 7-9 record. oh yeah, seattle also let us run for 270 yards and gave us the ball back 3 times. Thanx Matt Cassel for continuing exactly what we always knew you could do. beat the little guys and look good enough for some to forget you SUCK against the big kids that actually play to win the Super Bowl.

"Matt Cassel's record"? How about the Chiefs record. They haven't been that good. They were good enough to win the division the last two years, but didn't have the playmakers or depth to go too far.

This is the first season with the Chiefs (last year should have been if not for injuries and Thomas Jones) that he's had more than one or two guys to throw to.

He was very good in the Atlanta game until it was flat-out over and he was OK in the Bills game (they needed him to be a lot better than OK, but the defense still wasn't stopping anyone). He was bad against the Saints.

Cassel's been solid with the Chiefs considering what's been put around him up until this year. People trying to put the team not doing well on the QB are just looking for a cheap out, and the QB is always the easiest target for that. People acting like Pioli has been sticking with him blindly is just absurd.

While he has been solid, he hasn't been what they need him to be so far this year. He needs to be a whole lot better than that. This is his last year here if he doesn't produce like he should be producing with the team they have out there. I think he'll rebound from the Saints game and be a much better QB than he has been for the rest of the year. He has to.

And unrelated, but still responding to things said in here... When did Todd Haley try to use a different QB? Never? Confusing history there. He refused to play Orton over Palko. Cassel wasn't involved at all in that situation.

villagewarrior 09-27-2012 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nepg (Post 3130951)
He was very good in the Atlanta game until it was flat-out over and he was OK in the Bills game (they needed him to be a lot better than OK, but the defense still wasn't stopping anyone). He was bad against the Saints.

Huh? I think we watched a different Falcons game, you and I. After Succop missed that field goal all the life fled out of the Chiefs until the 2nd half of the Saints game. Cassel was lights out in the first half of the Falcons game, but he proved to be a mental midget by allowing one blunder to lead into another. That throw across the field is one of the worst throws he has made in his career. A 30 year old quarterback with at least 4 years of starting NFL experience should know better than to make that throw.

That's the thing about quarterbacks. The good ones make the players around them better. They elevate the production of their receivers. They get better every game, every year. They don't fall apart when the going gets tough. Matt Cassel does none of these things. He's an awesome backup quarterback. Unfortunately he is starting for our team.

Brothgar 09-27-2012 08:29 AM

STOP!

Stanzi Time!!!

King Carls 5 Year Plan 09-27-2012 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nepg (Post 3130951)
"Matt Cassel's record"? How about the Chiefs record. They haven't been that good. They were good enough to win the division the last two years, but didn't have the playmakers or depth to go too far.

This is the first season with the Chiefs (last year should have been if not for injuries and Thomas Jones) that he's had more than one or two guys to throw to.

He was very good in the Atlanta game until it was flat-out over and he was OK in the Bills game (they needed him to be a lot better than OK, but the defense still wasn't stopping anyone). He was bad against the Saints.

Cassel's been solid with the Chiefs considering what's been put around him up until this year. People trying to put the team not doing well on the QB are just looking for a cheap out, and the QB is always the easiest target for that. People acting like Pioli has been sticking with him blindly is just absurd.

While he has been solid, he hasn't been what they need him to be so far this year. He needs to be a whole lot better than that. This is his last year here if he doesn't produce like he should be producing with the team they have out there. I think he'll rebound from the Saints game and be a much better QB than he has been for the rest of the year. He has to.

And unrelated, but still responding to things said in here... When did Todd Haley try to use a different QB? Never? Confusing history there. He refused to play Orton over Palko. Cassel wasn't involved at all in that situation.

as far as Haley goes, there is a rumor that Haley went to Pioli in the offseason and asked for a different QB. he was told no. when it was apparent that Pioli wouldn't allow him to coach the Chiefs with a QB other than Cassel, he sabotaged them as much as he could. as evidence by playing Palko over Orton and alot of the bad things said/leaked right about the time he was leaving KC. people close to Haley have said it is. heck is father is on record saying that Todd was doomed from day 1 cause the Chiefs wont win with matt Cassel. (here is a link. read the quotes from Dick Haley and Jeff Chadia) http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/7...oll-todd-haley

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"The quarterback (Matt Cassel) was real average. ... It didn't surprise me what happened in Kansas City. I didn't have any real confidence in the whole thing."
from Dick Haley

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"I can say this now because he's gone but I remember having a conversation with Todd Haley about last year and he said that when his dad came in -- and his dad's been a longtime personnel guy with the Steelers and obviously saw a lot of talented players come in -- he said when his dad watched Cassel closely the first time they had him here, he told Todd, 'I don't think you can win with this guy.'"
from Jeff Chadia talking to Todd Haley while still HC of the Chiefs

no confusion of my history here. that situation had everything to do with Cassel.

back to the Matt Cassel debate. i understand your point and because the season has started, we really dont have a choice but to let Matt Cassel sink or swim this year. my point is that we have all our eggs in that basket. and that basket is pretty sketchy and is very unproven. why at 1 point or another havent we tryed to address the issue by aquiring another basket, perhaps a young basket that will need time on the sideline anyway (not Stanzi. a basket of substantially more value). i just dont want to be put behind the 8 ball this offseason NEEDING to get another QB thats ready to win now because our window is now 3 years closer to closing than it was when most everyone decided Matt Cassel wasnt going to be good enough.

Matts excuses are done. good QBs elevate the play of players around them, not need excellent players around them to look avg. he has had 1 good half in 3 games in the year he was supposed to make great strides with all his weapons.

nepg, i dont mean to make you the only Cassel guy on here and feel like you have, or want to defend him. i think because our perspectives are so different, we will never agree on any of the Cassel debate, except for this is his final chance to prove me wrong. i just wish that chance would have come some time ago or at least wish the Chiefs had the forethought to draft another QB to be ready if/when Cassel fails.

Splat 09-27-2012 07:57 PM

Pioli will never give up on Cassel. It's going to end up costing him his job.

vidae 09-28-2012 11:56 AM

And if you're right, it should. It absolutely should cost Pioli his job.

nepg 09-28-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Splat (Post 3131656)
Pioli will never give up on Cassel. It's going to end up costing him his job.

If Cassel doesn't produce this year, he's gone. The idea that Pioli "won't give up" on him is fallacy. Proven by the fact that he went after Manning this past off-season. That whole argument is garbage.

The whole "he wouldn't let Haley have a different QB" thing is silly. It was last year? When they had no off-season? When there were no QBs available to them in the off-season (certainly none on Cassel's level or higher)? Just makes Haley look even dumber, imo.

Splat 09-30-2012 12:24 PM

Still sucking.


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