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KCStud 11-02-2012 07:33 PM

1st Round QB Comparisons
 
I know I've asked this on a couple of guys, but overall who ya got?

Geno Smith-Aaron Rodgers
Matt Barkley-Alex Smith
Tyler Wilson-?
Aaron Murray-?

Armchair Scout 11-05-2012 09:46 AM

I don't see the Geno Smith-Aaron Rodgers comparison. I think Smith is most similar to Eli Manning, in his ability to make sideline throws and move in the pocket. I do like the Barkley-Smith comparison a lot.

MassNole 11-05-2012 09:47 AM

Geno Smith-Andre Ware
Matt Barkley-Jim Harbaugh
Tyler Wilson-Trent Dilfer
Aaron Murray-David Greene

duesouth 11-05-2012 09:56 AM

EJ Manuel = Brock Osweiler

MassNole 11-05-2012 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by duesouth (Post 3174194)
EJ Manuel = Brock Osweiler

More like a 6'5 version of D.J. Shockley.

TheBoyWonder22 11-05-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MassNole (Post 3174185)
Geno Smith-Andre Ware
Matt Barkley-Jim Harbaugh
Tyler Wilson-Trent Dilfer
Aaron Murray-David Greene

Damn, you're mean haha.

MassNole 11-05-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBoyWonder22 (Post 3174221)
Damn, you're mean haha.

This just is an awful year to need a QB. People are seeing the things in Geno Smith they want to see and hope for, not things he actually brings to the table. In a QB friendly college system he folds like a house of poorly built cards vs. competent college defenses, in the NFL he will only set a franchise back 5 years.

Brown Leader 11-05-2012 10:38 AM

Love me some comparisons. On style...

1. Geno Smith - Tom Brady
2. Tyler Wilson - Tony Romo
3. E.J. Manuel - Tarvaris Jackson
4. Matt Barkley - Matt Flynn
5. Tyler Bray - Kyle Orton
6. Colin Klein - David Garrard
7. Landry Jones - Chad Henne

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Originally Posted by MassNole (Post 3174230)
This just is an awful year to need a QB. People are seeing the things in Geno Smith they want to see and hope for, not things he actually brings to the table. In a QB friendly college system he folds like a house of poorly built cards vs. competent college defenses, in the NFL he will only set a franchise back 5 years.

Geno isn't flashy and has just an adequate skill set but you can bank on him working harder then anyone on the team and steadily improving.

Babylon 11-05-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KCStud (Post 3171108)
I know I've asked this on a couple of guys, but overall who ya got?

Geno Smith-Aaron Rodgers
Matt Barkley-Alex Smith
Tyler Wilson-?
Aaron Murray-?

So this sounds like a who should the Chiefs draft with the top pick question. My answer would be none of these guys. While i think the first 3 have a chance to be legitimate starters i wouldn't take them here.

Trade down if you can and get something for the pick. Taking a Tyler Wilson in the second half of round 1 is just as good as one of the others early and a heck of a lot less of a gamble.

SolidGold 11-05-2012 11:43 AM

Matt Barkley - Matt Ryan - Barkley is the safest QB coming out of the draft/ran a pro style system and can make all the required throws - after watching Barkley vs Oregon and Ryan vs Dallas they are so alike in their respective playing style
Geno Smith - Brandon Weeden - same system/same measurables/comparable arm strength and athleticism...sorry everyone but Geno Smith isn't the next RG3
Tyler Wilson - Tony Romo - similar measurables and skillset...it just makes sense to me cant really explain it
Landy Jones - Carson Palmer - Jones has all the tools to be a good QB, he is streaky but I feel is having a pretty solid senior campaign. He was once touted as a high first round pick and I feel is flying under the radar now. It took the Oklahoma offense a little while to find receivers to step up but now he has a good rapport with them and is playing well.
Mike Glennon - Ryan Mallet - easy comparison - both really tall with huge arms and limited mobility outside the pocket - Glennon's supporting cast on offense is absolute ****

Halsey 11-05-2012 12:09 PM

People onthis board just can't get enough of comparisons, no matter how meaningless they are. At least make some valid comparisons. The few I read in this thread aren't.

Don Vito 11-05-2012 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brown Leader (Post 3174239)
Love me some comparisons. On style...

1. Geno Smith - Tom Brady
2. Tyler Wilson - Tony Romo
3. E.J. Manuel - Tarvaris Jackson
4. Matt Barkley - Matt Flynn
5. Tyler Bray - Kyle Orton
6. Colin Klein - David Garrard
7. Landry Jones - Chad Henne


Geno isn't flashy and has just an adequate skill set but you can bank on him working harder then anyone on the team and steadily improving.

Bray/Orton and Klein/Garrard have me confused. Maybe with their arms you could say Smith/Brady and how they both have to score every drive for their team to win but other than that I don't know..

Babylon 11-05-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold (Post 3174275)
Matt Barkley - Matt Ryan - Barkley is the safest QB coming out of the draft/ran a pro style system and can make all the required throws - after watching Barkley vs Oregon and Ryan vs Dallas they are so alike in their respective playing style
Geno Smith - Brandon Weeden - same system/same measurables/comparable arm strength and athleticism...sorry everyone but Geno Smith isn't the next RG3
Tyler Wilson - Tony Romo - similar measurables and skillset...it just makes sense to me cant really explain it
Landy Jones - Carson Palmer - Jones has all the tools to be a good QB, he is streaky but I feel is having a pretty solid senior campaign. He was once touted as a high first round pick and I feel is flying under the radar now. It took the Oklahoma offense a little while to find receivers to step up but now he has a good rapport with them and is playing well.
Mike Glennon - Ryan Mallet - easy comparison - both really tall with huge arms and limited mobility outside the pocket - Glennon's supporting cast on offense is absolute ****

I'd be a little more kind to Geno Smith and maybe throw out a Sam Bradford comaprison. Decent arm, a little mobility and would need a real good supporting cast around him. Some of what i've seen lately from Smith makes me question whether he has Bradford's make up though.

SolidGold 11-05-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 3174355)
I'd be a little more kind to Geno Smith and maybe throw out a Sam Bradford comaprison. Decent arm, a little mobility and would need a real good supporting cast around him. Some of what i've seen lately from Smith makes me question whether he has Bradford's make up though.

Meh I think Weeden is a fair comparison. If Weeden were 23 instead of 28 when drafted I think he would be viewed in a different way - most people knock him on the whole age thing.

Smith has really fallen back down to earth since going up against mediocre teams the first 5 weeks of the season.

SolidGold 11-05-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Halsey (Post 3174295)
People onthis board just can't get enough of comparisons, no matter how meaningless they are. At least make some valid comparisons. The few I read in this thread aren't.

Comparisons pretty much go hand in hand with draft evaluations though. Everyone in the business makes comparisons from Mayock to Kiper on down. Its all basically fodder for discussion and debate. I felt mine were pretty valid btw.

AntoinCD 11-05-2012 01:43 PM

I've been watching quite a bit of Matt Barkley today and I'm coming away less and less impressed with him. In fact I may go as far to say that he may not be a first round player.

People talk about his arm strength limitations and it's a real concern. However, watch his footwork, he doesn't step into his throws. He isn't necessarily throwing off his back foot however the weight transfer as he's throwing just isn't there.

I also don't love his accuracy. USC throw a lot of WR screens and slants and the ball placement at times just isn't good even on these short throws.

He definitely benefits from playing with the best WR duo in the country, however that will work against him during the offseason. The YAC that Lee in particular gets is tremendous.

As a pro the best comparison I can come up with is a poor man's Eli Manning. Obviously Manning has become a top QB and has 2 rings, however Barkley will have a lot of work to do to get near Manning's level now. Luckily though it appears his isses are technique based and therefore are fixable. When he does step up into his throws he gets some nice velocity, however it's not consistent.

I would also like to see him manipulate defenses more with his eyes. Often times he stares down his target.

BuckeyeDan17 11-05-2012 01:43 PM

Edit: not funny

Iamcanadian 11-05-2012 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SolidGold (Post 3174275)
Matt Barkley - Matt Ryan - Barkley is the safest QB coming out of the draft/ran a pro style system and can make all the required throws - after watching Barkley vs Oregon and Ryan vs Dallas they are so alike in their respective playing style
Geno Smith - Brandon Weeden - same system/same measurables/comparable arm strength and athleticism...sorry everyone but Geno Smith isn't the next RG3
Tyler Wilson - Tony Romo - similar measurables and skillset...it just makes sense to me cant really explain it
Landy Jones - Carson Palmer - Jones has all the tools to be a good QB, he is streaky but I feel is having a pretty solid senior campaign. He was once touted as a high first round pick and I feel is flying under the radar now. It took the Oklahoma offense a little while to find receivers to step up but now he has a good rapport with them and is playing well.
Mike Glennon - Ryan Mallet - easy comparison - both really tall with huge arms and limited mobility outside the pocket - Glennon's supporting cast on offense is absolute ****

These are very solid comparisons although I don't think Jones is comparable to the early version of Palmer.

MassNole 11-05-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brown Leader (Post 3174239)
Love me some comparisons. On style...

1. Geno Smith - Tom Brady
2. Tyler Wilson - Tony Romo
3. E.J. Manuel - Tarvaris Jackson
4. Matt Barkley - Matt Flynn
5. Tyler Bray - Kyle Orton
6. Colin Klein - David Garrard
7. Landry Jones - Chad Henne


Geno isn't flashy and has just an adequate skill set but you can bank on him working harder then anyone on the team and steadily improving.

This is possibly the most ridiculous comparison in the history of the internet.

bruschis4all 11-05-2012 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MassNole (Post 3174414)
This is possibly the most ridiculous comparison in the history of the internet.

Zackly! Brady was nowhere near as good as Smith when he was in college:wave:

D-Unit 11-05-2012 05:27 PM

Geno Smith = Geno Smith
Matt Barkley = Matt Barkley
Tyler Wilson = Tyler Wilson
Aaron Murray = Aaron Murray

Brown Leader 11-05-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 3174317)
Bray/Orton and Klein/Garrard have me confused. Maybe with their arms you could say Smith/Brady and how they both have to score every drive for their team to win but other than that I don't know..

How so? Orton's best skill has always been his arm. He may have lost a little but when he came out he could really blister throws. Klein is more athlete-project at this point. Exactly what Garrard was for a few seasons. Ultimately, he was always a better athlete then thrower but had some success in a run first offense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 3174562)
Geno Smith = Geno Smith
Matt Barkley = Matt Barkley
Tyler Wilson = Tyler Wilson
Aaron Murray = Aaron Murray

Come on D. It's just getting a rough gauge for a guy's skill set and ability level-looking at the ceiling and floor. And who this or that reminds you of from the armchair. What's wrong with that?

D-Unit 11-05-2012 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brown Leader (Post 3174576)
Come on D. It's just getting a rough gauge for a guy's skill set and ability level-looking at the ceiling and floor. And who this or that reminds you of from the armchair. What's wrong with that?

Nah it's all good. I don't love it because if you look at the comments people make about them, you'll see that even though it's a fun exercise, people get way to serious in their critique.

For fun...

Geno Smith = Aaron Brooks - I don't see instant stardom in the NFL like RG3 like many are saying, but Smith could end up being a very feisty QB in the mold of Brooks who also stood 6'3, 220.

Matt Barkley = Troy Aikman - USC/UCLA Golden Boys... both need a strong supporting cast, but can manage efficiently with accuracy.

Tyler Wilson = Kyle Boller - Both have the same size, great arm strength, clean mechanics, and the same lack of an "it" factor.

Aaron Murray = Rex Grossman - Big SEC names...both 6'1 and change... Can play QB in the NFL, might wow you from time to time, but don't expect miracles.

bruschis4all 11-05-2012 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 3174609)
Nah it's all good. I don't love it because if you look at the comments people make about them, you'll see that even though it's a fun exercise, people get way to serious in their critique.

For fun...

Geno Smith = Aaron Brooks - I don't see instant stardom in the NFL like RG3 like many are saying, but Smith could end up being a very feisty QB in the mold of Brooks who also stood 6'3, 220.

Matt Barkley = Troy Aikman - USC/UCLA Golden Boys... both need a strong supporting cast, but can manage efficiently with accuracy.

Tyler Wilson = Kyle Boller - Both have the same size, great arm strength, clean mechanics, and the same lack of an "it" factor.

Aaron Murray = Rex Grossman - Big SEC names...both 6'1 and change... Can play QB in the NFL, might wow you from time to time, but don't expect miracles.

I'm surprised you're comparing Barkley to Aikman. Being a Cowboys fan. I'm no Cowboys fan but Troy was bigger and stronger, much faster and a much stronger arm. Really no comparision IMO. Barkley reminds me a little of Drew Brees. He's about an inch taller. Not great athletic ability. But, excellent feel for the position and touch on the ball. Neither have a cannon.
Smith reminds me of Roethlisberger. Big guy with some athletic ability. Accurate. Don't think he as quite the arm Ben does. But, close. Murray is a JAG. He doesn't even have the arm Grossman did. Poor man's Colt McCoy. It's a shame for Tyler Wilson what happened at Arkansas. That said. He could have played better. Wilson's upside could be a guy like Schaub if someone is patient with him.

Saints-Tigers 11-05-2012 07:40 PM

Smith reminds you of Roethlisberger? Lmao.


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