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Maybe This Year Mayhew 11-20-2012 01:46 PM

How Far Away are the Lions?
 
Just saw an interesting stat. Lions are 4-2 outside of the NFC North. We'll see what they do against Houston, Indy, at Arizona and Atlanta.

Lions make a tackle on that Sherels punt return Week 4 and score a TD and not a field goal last week and they are 6-4 (2-2), Pack are 6-4(1-1), Vikings 5-5(1-1) and Bears 7-3(0-1). That's not even including the Titans Week 3 3 freaky return fiasco and 2 mishaps by backup safeties and the 2 fumbles in the Bears redzone. Lions have issues but I don't think they are as bad as people think right now. NFL is a tough league. It's too bad this team will be ripped apart by the salary cap though this offseason.

What could have been

Prowler 11-20-2012 05:39 PM

The Lions need a shut down corner and another quality safety. I'd love to see another stud defensive end. The offense should be fine and just needs to see some tweaks to the oline and swap out some of the aging pieces. I see nothing that says they can't be competing for a playoff spot right now and championship in 2 years. They just need to mature on the field and off. Coaching and discipline have been suspect.

Iamcanadian 11-20-2012 05:59 PM

I still strongly believe that they are very close to a Super Bowl, it's a learning curve. Their schedule so far this year, is the strongest in the whole NFL and they are struggling, they should come back next year with a bang.

Maybe This Year Mayhew 11-21-2012 09:25 AM

True looking at the Packers. Year 4 Ted Thompson 6-10 with defensive and special team problems in a very subpar NFC North in 2008. It takes time and patience. Then Pack went 11-5 then 2010 at 8-6 everyone calling for McCarthy's and Thompsons head and they got hot and won Super Bowl.

Lions 11-5 out of division since 2011(losses to San Fran twice, at NO, Atl and at Ten) and 3-7 (1-2 Bears, 2-2 Vikings, 0-3 Packers) in the division. The problem in the 7 division losses, Lions got crushed in the turnover battle in 6 of them. Vikings last year and Bears last year they either tied or won the TO battle(counting turnover on downs Lions forced at Min and vs Chi). Protect the ball Detroit and we'll win some division games. And we need to figure out how to beat San Fran by stopping Gore. We'll see what happens with Atlanta in a couple weeks and Houston is a great benchmark test tomorrow.

georgiafan 11-21-2012 10:01 AM

I think they are close on offense and they seemed to have found a HB now and just need some minor tweaks with WR depth. Another good draft class and FA for defense and they should be in good shape.

Maybe This Year Mayhew 11-21-2012 09:10 PM

The Lions need DEs big time. Avril is solid but not worth what he wants so unfortunately we might lose him and Lo Jack, Young and KVB all sucked this year. Lions need a stud safety that can stay healthy to pair with Delmas or Delmas' backup if his knees have continuous problems.

Everything else is good or they can work with for sure. Interior Oline could help though and if Young becomes a headcase and Burleson is a cap casualty, WR sadly is needed too. Gamebreaking RB would be nice too which is very unfortunate but I do like LeShoure as a workhorse back.

georgiafan 11-22-2012 12:46 AM

The pick of Broyles makes alot more sense now even if he hasn't proved much on the field yet

boknows34 11-22-2012 12:20 PM

Broyles is a younger, cheaper and hopefully better direct replacement for Nate Burleson, who is due over $5m next season, i.e. he was a certain offseason cut even before his injury.

detroit4life 11-23-2012 10:02 PM

I think the lions are very close. At least in terms of talent.

The defense is a few upgrades away from allowing the team to truly play the way we should be. The secondary needs help and once that is addressed I thnk we will see a vast improvement.

It's important to remember that this is basically the same team as last year. We didn't improve anywhere and our moves were centered around giving us more financial flexibility next year. I think this offseason will have a large impact on taking that next step. DE, DB, and Oline need to see improvement

noondog 11-26-2012 08:55 AM

I know this will not go over well, but I think the Lions should look at trading Suh. If we can get a few high draft picks for him and open up a bunch of cap room, the team will be in a much better position to fill multiple holes.

cmarq83 11-26-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by noondog (Post 3192682)
I know this will not go over well, but I think the Lions should look at trading Suh. If we can get a few high draft picks for him and open up a bunch of cap room, the team will be in a much better position to fill multiple holes.

If I was New England I'd be willing to trade a 1st for him straight up. I think he'd be a much better player in our scheme and organization than with the Lions.

Maybe This Year Mayhew 11-26-2012 10:57 AM

I think they need a DE badly other than Avril(who is solid). If they lose Avril even moreso.
CB and safety is needed and Houston and Delmas MUST be re-signed.
If Houston is re-signed focus on safety first IMO because a stud next to Delmas would be nice and a good backup plan if Delmas continues to get hurt.
Speed back and a Raiola/Peterman/Gosder replacement. Bill Nagy may replace Raiola already.

Lots of fluky stuff happened this year but looking back, fluky stuff happened to the Lions in 2011 too. They overcame alot of that.

weasel 12-01-2012 12:54 PM

The Lions are further away than you think
 
The Lions are further away than you think, the entire back 7 on defense is up for free agency, that means all three LB'ers, Houston, Delmas, Speivey and the player off the street Mayhew has been picking up every off season while refusing to address team needs and grabbing at talent no matter how big a character problem they are known to be.
With that said, Mikel LeShoure is far from a sure bet, Broyles is coming along, Raiola is due 4.5 million, Backus is due like 7 million, VandenBosch is due 5 million + 500 K roster bonus, Avril will be looking for another 10-15 million and Cherilous will be looking to get his second contract completed. This team is in trouble, so no we are not as close as you think.
The Lions have played by far the most difficult schedule in the NFL this year and it is just another way the NFL proves they are dead set against this franchise.
This is all of course just my opinion but it merits discussion nonetheless.

boknows34 12-02-2012 06:39 PM

How many ways can the Lions find a way to lose this season? Is Schwartz's seat now officially warm?

weasel 12-02-2012 10:54 PM

In my opinion, this defense needs help
 
The scheme is horrible, Gunther has to go.
Avril is not an impact player. VandenBosch is done. We need a corner, a safety and a DE and an outside LB. That's 15 million off the books. Throw in Dom and that's 19.5 million to get a few pieces.
I feel we can get all three of the DE, CB and S from below and maybe pick up an OLB, too.
If the draft were held today we could get Woerner or Dion Jordan, Sam Montgomery, Jarvis Jones, or Manti T'eo or Barkevious Mingo in the first, or... we could get Milliner or Banks at CB
maybe Phillip Thomas S in the second and a DE like Gholston or a FA
I have to look at the FA pool to decide a direction and implement a plan but something has to get done. Wade Phillips? Something

BRAVEHEART 12-03-2012 12:46 AM

We really need a corner, feel like I've been saying that for YEARS.

Prowler 12-03-2012 09:38 AM

what's dre bly doing these days?

Silver & Blue 12-03-2012 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weasel (Post 3199275)
The scheme is horrible, Gunther has to go.
Avril is not an impact player. VandenBosch is done. We need a corner, a safety and a DE and an outside LB. That's 15 million off the books. Throw in Dom and that's 19.5 million to get a few pieces.
I feel we can get all three of the DE, CB and S from below and maybe pick up an OLB, too.
If the draft were held today we could get Woerner or Dion Jordan, Sam Montgomery, Jarvis Jones, or Manti T'eo or Barkevious Mingo in the first, or... we could get Milliner or Banks at CB
maybe Phillip Thomas S in the second and a DE like Gholston or a FA
I have to look at the FA pool to decide a direction and implement a plan but something has to get done. Wade Phillips? Something

Yep, I agree that this current Wide 9 scheme should be thrown out, its pretty obvious that teams have figured out how to defend against it. To be fair to Gunther though, I thought that the Wide 9 was kind of forced upon him by Schwartz. Because I thought he ran a 3-4 defense while he was in Kansas City, I could be wrong though. I would personally like to see the Lions change their base defense to a 3-4 mainly because we just can't keep pumping money into this d-line, which we would be forced to due this offseason if Avril and KVB leave. So we would probably have to draft a DE in the first round if we decided to stay with the 4-3. If we did switch to a 3-4 we could draft someone like Teo who we could put next to Tulloch in a 3-4 system. So our lineup could look something like this(keep in mind that I'm mainly basing this off this years roster):

DE: Ndamukong Suh
NT: SLH
DE: Nick Fairley

LB: Justin Durant
MLB: Stephen Tulloch
MLB: Manti Teo
LB: Deandre Levy

CB: Chris Houston
CB: Jacob Lacey
FS: Louis Delmas
SS: Erik Coleman

Of course some of these players might not be here next season so this lineup would definitely change. Personally if we wanted to run a 3-4 and we didn't want to keep Gunther, I think we could go after Rex Ryan if the Jets decided to let him go. Or we could go after Kirby Smart from Alabama since it wouldn't surprise me if he is looking to move up after this season, whether it is a coordinating job in the NFL or being a head coach at the college level.

Maybe This Year Mayhew 12-03-2012 01:55 PM

Levy and Durant are free agents and terrible blitzers. Waste of Suh and Fairleys talents 2 gapping. No way they switch from a 4-3.

Wide 9 could work if Detroit had better DEs. The DT pressure is there, Avril flashes every now and then but the 3 other DES have been junk this year. We'll see what adjusted contract Avril gets or if he walks and Detroit has to draft a DE especially if they lose Avril.

I go DE then safety assuming they are BPA. Lots is in the board, including WR now unfornuately. Broyles injury and Young being an idiot opened up that, speed RB is needed but they may just roll with Bell/LeShoure again due to other needs, CB still on the board especially if they lose Chris Houston.

Worst case lose Houston, one of Durant/Levy and Avril to free agency, so they would need two DEs, top CB(I think the rookies this year have 2nd CB and nickel spot locked down) and a good safety to pair with Delmas or for Delmas insurance when he gets hurt again.

We'll see if they make a change with Gunther too. 8 terrible 4th Quarters by Detroit's defense this year.

weasel 12-05-2012 11:31 AM

Dee Milliner CB and Ezekial Ansah DE
 
theres one combo that works for me and throw in Phillip Thomas S in the third

detroit4life 12-05-2012 01:25 PM

I love that. I definitely think it will be DE or CB this year. However that depends on the coaches grades for LoJack and Bentley.

I expect avril is allowed to walk and we go DE. If thats the case I'd like to see us go after sean smith in FA. Big corner is important with Marshall in our division.

It wouldn't shock me to see us go Oline in the 2nd or 3rd. Or both. This line is still in a need of a massive overhaul. I certainly wouldn't compain if Mayhew got aggressive and made a move up for Warmack. The guy is a beast and him and Reiff gives us a solid side of the line for years to come.

Bert Macklin 12-05-2012 05:52 PM

Guys be the first to pre order your calendars!



Quote:

In a stunning display of holiday awfulness, the official NFL-licensed Lions calendar that is being pushed as a holiday gift somehow managed to get everything wrong. Justin Rogers of MLive.com details some of the problems with this calendar, including:

1. Titus Young is on the cover. Yes, Young, the second-year receiver who was just ordered to go home and not come back for repeated insubordination, is the person the makers of this calendar thought Lions fans would want on the cover. Not Matthew Stafford or Calvin Johnson. Titus Young. Really.

2. Open the calendar to the first month, and whose picture do you see to go along with January? Aaron Berry. The cornerback who was arrested twice during the offseason and cut by the Lions in July.

3. Other months have pictures of receiver Nate Burleson (who broke his leg and may be cut in the offseason), defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch (who’s 34 years old and not playing up to his contract and looks like a potential cap casualty), and running back Jahvid Best (whose repeated concussions call into question whether he’ll ever play again). Those are definitely the guys Lions fans are going to want to be thinking about in 2013.

4. The company selling the calendar boasts that it contains information about the Lions’ “Super Bowl History and more.” One problem: The Lions have never been to the Super Bowl. Apparently the Super Bowl history section will be devoted to the Super Bowls the Lions didn’t play in (all of them) or maybe the Super Bowls that were played on the Lions’ home field. (Did you know that Jerome Bettis is from Detroit? The people who made this calendar probably didn’t.)

5. The calendar includes the 2012 schedule. Very helpful in 2013.

So if you do have a Lions fan on your Christmas shopping list, you’ll probably want to skip the team’s official 2013 calendar. Much better to get him a T-shirt commemorating the Lions’ undefeated 2008 preseason.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...day-gift-ever/

Maybe This Year Mayhew 12-05-2012 10:44 PM

Terrible terrible calendar

weasel 12-06-2012 12:10 PM

Three round shot in the dark right now
 
Dee Milliner CB
Ezekial Ansah DE
Phillip Thomas S

or

Barkevious Mingo/Bjeorn Woerner or another DE

detroit4life 12-08-2012 08:42 PM

Mel Kiper write a piece today on espn insider talking about how the lions can easily be a playoff team next year. Pretty good read.


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