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J-Mike88 11-24-2012 08:45 PM

MVP as we head out of November
 
Seems like the award has to go to a QB. Somehow, Jerry Rice wasn't good enough to win one.

I doubt any of the RB's will win it (but who would be considered the most valuable RB anyway: Foster, AP, Marshawn, Martin.... that's a good debate itself).

So as of this moment, and of course a lot will change tomorrow as there are some big battles, but here's your contenders:

Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Robert Griffin III
Matt Ryan

Anyone who says Passer Rating is worthless must think this is a coincidence below:

Passer Rating:
  1. Rodgers 107.3
  2. Manning 106.2
  3. Brady 105.0
  4. Griffin 104.6

Brees is #7 at 99.8.
Alex Smith and Big Ben are #5 & #6 with 104.1 & 100.0.
Matt Ryan, Josh Freeman, Matt Schaub are the next 3 and all arel 94.something.

Passing TDs are:
  1. Brees 28
  2. Rodgers 27
  3. Manning 24
  4. Brady 24
  5. Freeman 21
  6. Dalton 20
  7. Ryan 20

Passing Yardage is the one (not passer rating) that is skewed as #1 & #4 are Stafford & Romo averaging 311.7 & 305.2 yards per game. Carson Palmer is ahead of both Peyton Manning & Rodgers.

Don't forget, RG3 has 642 yards rushing, and 6 TD runs.
His TD/Int ratio is 4/1.
Andrew Luck, FWIW, is 1/1.
Blaine Gabbert is 3/2.

So what does your ballot look like here, fairly.

I got it:
  1. Manning
  2. Rodgers
  3. Griffin
  4. Brady
  5. Brees
  6. Ryan
  7. Freeman

Big Ben would have been right there had he not gotten obtained by me in Fantasy Football & thus jinx-injured.

FUNBUNCHER 11-24-2012 08:53 PM

Peyton annoys with all his MVPs, but I'd probably take him. He's made the Broncos a SB contender.

Brady is so good year after year like Jordan that I as a fan take for granted how well he's playing.
Rodgers is my favorite NFL QB, if I had two votes I'd give one to him and another to Peyton.

The homer in me says RG3, but to honestly give him a vote the SKins would have to run the table and win the NFCE.

WCH 11-24-2012 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 3190904)
Peyton annoys with all his MVPs, but I'd probably take him. He's made the Broncos a SB contender.

Brady is so good year after year like Jordan that I as a fan take for granted how well he's playing.
Rodgers is my favorite NFL QB, if I had two votes I'd give one to him and another to Peyton.

The homer in me says RG3, but to honestly give him a vote the SKins would have to run the table and win the NFCE.

I feel the same way. Peyton is just so damn good.

Ness 11-24-2012 09:11 PM

No mention of J.J. Watt? Really?

bigbluedefense 11-24-2012 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ness (Post 3190934)
No mention of J.J. Watt? Really?

He's a lock to be DPOY. Realistically, youre gonna have a qb as MVP. Only 2 defensive players ever won MVP: Lawrence Taylor and Alan Page. And both had league changing seasons to get it.

bigbluedefense 11-24-2012 09:44 PM

I think it's btw Peyton and Matt Ryan. I want to give it to Ryan just bc Peyton wins it so damn much. But that just tells you how good Peyton is.

What does it say about Tom Brady that he's always so damn good but we never mention him as a MVP candidate bc we all just expect the Patriots to be great every year?

Think about it. The guy plays with an awful defense every year, he carries the offense, hell he IS the offense, loses 4 games at most in a season for damn near the past 4 years, and he never gets a lick of consideration for MVP bc we all expect it of him and the Patriots.

Bc it's the Patriots. We fail to recognize the work that Brady does from an MVP standpoint bc we all just expect him to do it every year.

Hell, now that I went on that rant, I'm voting Brady.

descendency 11-24-2012 10:23 PM

Brady had better be OPOY if not MVP.

Do you really think Ridley is a 1300+ yard back in the NFL? Yes, Brady has good weapons and his OL somehow manages to hold up (Solder and Vollmer are very good OTs, but Mankins has missed a ton of time and Wendell and Conolly are not on anyone's wish list at C and G), but that offense is #1 in the NFL because of Brady.

The team is winning games (in blowout fashion) because the defense has turned the corner a bit. Before the Talib trade, the Patriots were 6-3 having lost by a total of 4 points. (2-0 since) The Falcons are 8-1 and lost their game by 4 points.

In 2 of the 3 losses, Brady handed his defense an easy win if they could just have made a few stops in the 4th. Not 3 and outs, but holding them to field goals instead of TDs.

Ness 11-24-2012 10:48 PM

Brady should get it over Manning. If Manning receives the award I feel like it would be more on the line of reputation than actual merit.

gpngc 11-24-2012 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ness (Post 3191077)
Brady should get it over Manning. If Manning receives the award I feel like it would be more on the line of reputation than actual merit.

Why? What does Manning's reputation have to do with him coming into a completely new environment with all but what 1 new teammate and immediately making that team into a Super Bowl contender?

J-Mike88 11-24-2012 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ness (Post 3190934)
No mention of J.J. Watt? Really?

Did you see me mention him?

You wanna bet on him winning? I'll take some of that.

J-Mike88 11-24-2012 10:59 PM

Brady is phenomenal no question about it.

A case can easily be made for Manning, Rodgers, Brady, and Brees every year.
RG3 has a chance if they win the NFC East behind his magic.
I don't see Ryan having a chance unless he A) lights it up and moves up in the stats category and B) the Falcons start to roll and keep winning, finishing 14-2 ish.... but remember they already were a #1 seed and I think 13-3 two years ago.... his numbers just probably won't match up with Brady, Rodgers, Brees & Manning for him to win.

gpngc 11-24-2012 11:04 PM

In today's NFL, I don't know if we'll ever see a RB win MVP again in our lifetime...

Ness 11-24-2012 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 3191085)
Why? What does Manning's reputation have to do with him coming into a completely new environment with all but what 1 new teammate and immediately making that team into a Super Bowl contender?

Circumstance shouldn't have anything to do with the award. It's about production. I feel Brady has been the more productive player this year from what I've seen by a small margin. Maybe they could share the award.

gpngc 11-24-2012 11:07 PM

Manning has better stats than Brady (assuming he has an average game this week).

Ness 11-24-2012 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 3191112)
Manning has better stats than Brady (assuming he has an average game this week).

Their passing statistics are practically the same.

cmarq83 11-24-2012 11:12 PM

To me Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning have all had identical caliber years. It doesn't really matter who gets it, but if things continue like this it's going to be damn close.

gpngc 11-24-2012 11:14 PM

In these discussions I'll never forget Matt Cassel's 11-5 season or last year's Colts. I know that's unfair for many reasons, but I just won't.

Mufasa 11-24-2012 11:15 PM

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Peyton Manning
4. JJ Watt
5. Adrian Peterson

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 3190968)
I think it's btw Peyton and Matt Ryan. I want to give it to Ryan just bc Peyton wins it so damn much. But that just tells you how good Peyton is.

What? I didn't think Ryan was a good choice before last week, and a 5 INT game crushes him. Many QBs have better stats than him and he no longer has the perfect season going for him.

prock 11-24-2012 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ness (Post 3191108)
Circumstance shouldn't have anything to do with the award. It's about production. I feel Brady has been the more productive player this year from what I've seen by a small margin. Maybe they could share the award.

Circumstance has nothing to do with most valuable player and its all about production? Wut?

Ness 11-24-2012 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prock (Post 3191128)
Circumstance has nothing to do with most valuable player and its all about production? Wut?

Well yes. As long as your team is winning and you're putting up numbers. If Peyton Manning wasn't playing well this year, would he still get recognized because of the circumstances that surrounded his health and a move to Denver?

prock 11-24-2012 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ness (Post 3191138)
Well yes. As long as your team is winning and you're putting up numbers. If Peyton Manning wasn't playing well this year, would he still get recognized because of the circumstances that surrounded his health and a move to Denver?

Its not only about production. Its most VALUABLE player, not opoy. If circumstances provide good evidence of one being more valuable than the othrr than they definitely matter. Not because of his injury, but the impact he has made on the team.

Ness 11-24-2012 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prock (Post 3191141)
Its not only about production. Its most VALUABLE player, not opoy. If circumstances provide good evidence of one being more valuable than the othrr than they definitely matter. Not because of his injury, but the impact he has made on the team.

Then Manning should have gotten it last season. We saw what happened to the Colts without him.

And yes I know it's not just about putting up numbers, which is why I said as long as your team is winning in addition.

Jvig43 11-25-2012 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 3191123)
In these discussions I'll never forget Matt Cassel's 11-5 season or last year's Colts. I know that's unfair for many reasons, but I just won't.

Not to mention how completely irrelevant that is to anything, or how completely different both circumstances and teams were but sure to the casual football fan I suppose that argument holds some merit.

descendency 11-25-2012 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ness (Post 3191077)
Brady should get it over Manning. If Manning receives the award I feel like it would be more on the line of reputation than actual merit.

I honestly think it's a dead heat. Manning has been excellent.

Nikolas 11-25-2012 04:41 AM

Manning will get Comeback Player, JJ Watt will get DPOY, Peterson will get OPOY, and RG3 will most likely get OROY.

This leaves it as a toss-up between Ryan, Rodgers, and Brady. I'm guessing Brady, because the sports media loves him, and because Rodgers won it last year.

The real question is DROY. I'm guessing Fletcher Cox, I can't think of any other defensive rookie who's done anything.


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