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bucfan12 12-11-2012 08:34 AM

Next Star QB Prospects
 
Marcus Marriota qb Oregon
Kevin Hogan qb Stanford
Johnny manzel qb Texas am
Teddy bridgewater qb Louisville

Discuss. These are the names that intrigued me.

G Mobile 12-11-2012 10:45 AM

Pac 12 has a fair number of young QBs worth keeping an eye on.

For Hogan, when he came in you could see an instant improvement on Stanford's offense. The players just responded to him. I think Stanford has a considerably better shot a winning the Wash and ND game if he was in there. He has a lot of years left so we get to see how Shaw develops him, but the tools are there.

dmoneyrockin 12-11-2012 11:20 AM

I think Russell Wilson's continued development and success will play a large part in Manziel's draft stock. Teams might be able to look past the height issues with a short guy already doing it.

Babylon 12-11-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 3208609)
Marcus Marriota qb Oregon
Kevin Hogan qb Stanford
Johnny manzel qb Texas am
Teddy bridgewater qb Louisville

Discuss. These are the names that intrigued me.

Not sure about Hogan yet. He was clearly better than Nunes but i thought he really struggled getting the ball to the 2nd and 3rd level of the defense.

I'd add Mariota to your list and certainly Drikel, who is probably the best physical package of those mentioned.

y.f.s. 12-11-2012 01:52 PM


Babylon 12-11-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by y.f.s. (Post 3208961)

Funny but Teddy is probably the slowest of the 4 guys i mentioned. His level of competition isn't as good as some of the others but he should be right up there.

Cigaro 12-11-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by y.f.s. (Post 3208961)

My current favorite prospect for the next class. Doesn't have elite size or arm strength, but he's athletic, accurate and efficient. I have no idea why, but whenever I watch Bridgewater I think of Brady.


Duffman57 12-11-2012 03:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4vlyZaAzbU

Mariota is a beast. His presence is just ridiculous, how calm and just aware he is. You rarely ever see him make mistakes with the ball, and even when he's running around, he ALWAYS is looking downfield for a completion.

descendency 12-11-2012 03:10 PM

I'm not a fan of looking at RS Freshman or true Freshman and grading them too soon. Let teams get tape on them and see how they respond.

I'm scared of Oregon QBs though. And Manziel reminds me of a lot of college QBs that sucked in the NFL. Maybe the NFL has changed, but he's got a long way to go in his development.

Bridgewater and Hogan are the two on the list that I like most.

norcalgsr 12-11-2012 03:24 PM

Manziel = Jeff Garcia

Put him in a WCO.

norcalgsr 12-11-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 3208970)
Funny but Teddy is probably the slowest of the 4 guys i mentioned. His level of competition isn't as good as some of the others but he should be right up there.

What does speed have anything to do with the QB position? Bridgewater isn't a "running" QB anyway. He's a pure QB taking snaps under center with one of the best play-action fakes in all of football.

Cigaro 12-11-2012 04:01 PM

I'm not sure where this "Bridgewater is slow" stuff is coming from. Perhaps its because his offense doesn't use the option and he prefers to stay in the pocket rather than scramble around, but he is definitely not slow. He's not Vick or RGIII fast, but he's certainly got above average speed for a quarterback. I've seen him listed as running a 4.55 40.

farfromforgotten 12-11-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency (Post 3209058)
I'm scared of Oregon QBs though. And Manziel reminds me of a lot of college QBs that sucked in the NFL.

Agree with these statements. Manziel will have an all-time great college career, but I don't see him doing much in the NFL...

Babylon 12-11-2012 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by norcalgsr (Post 3209079)
What does speed have anything to do with the QB position? Bridgewater isn't a "running" QB anyway. He's a pure QB taking snaps under center with one of the best play-action fakes in all of football.

Then lets just eliminate it from the combine and scouting reports. It's just part of an overall evaluation.

FUNBUNCHER 12-11-2012 04:36 PM

Cyler Miles, UDub.

Babylon 12-11-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 3209150)
Cyler Miles, UDub.

Hasn't taken a snap yet and won't next year either.

norcalgsr 12-11-2012 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 3209144)
Then lets just eliminate it from the combine and scouting reports. It's just part of an overall evaluation.

Let's just have WRs, TEs, and RBs throw some passes so we know how weak their arms are. A "pure" QB's "speed" is as meaningless as any non-QB's arm "stremf".

Here are some really slow guys:

Tom Brady: 5.28
Matt Schaub: 5.08
Nick Foles: 5.14
Brandon Weeden: 4.89
Andy Dalton: 4.82
TJ Yates: 5.06
Ryan Mallett: 5.37
Matt Stafford: 4.81
Josh Freeman: 4.90
Matt Ryan: 4.89
Drew Brees: 4.83
Tony Romo: 5.01
David Garrard: 4.82

Scott Wright 12-11-2012 05:52 PM

Sign me up for Bridgewater, who looks like a future Top 10 overall pick in my eyes.

rawdawg 12-11-2012 06:34 PM

Braxton Miller is kind of interesting. Really would like to see him put in the work throwing the ball, but who knows in Meyer's offense.

I'd like to see Blake Bell start for a couple years to see what he has at Oklahoma. He's a big boy with a big arm and can move.

But yeah, the Pac 12 is full of interesting guys:

Mariota, Oregon
Hogan, Stanford
Mannion, Oregon St
Hundley, UCLA
Whoever is the QB at USC

FUNBUNCHER 12-11-2012 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 3209191)
Hasn't taken a snap yet and won't next year either.

Is he ineligible or you think he's got no shot to be the starter in 2013??

Babylon 12-11-2012 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by norcalgsr (Post 3209231)
Let's just have WRs, TEs, and RBs throw some passes so we know how weak their arms are. A "pure" QB's "speed" is as meaningless as any non-QB's arm "stremf".

Here are some really slow guys:

Tom Brady: 5.28
Matt Schaub: 5.08
Nick Foles: 5.14
Brandon Weeden: 4.89
Andy Dalton: 4.82
TJ Yates: 5.06
Ryan Mallett: 5.37
Matt Stafford: 4.81
Josh Freeman: 4.90
Matt Ryan: 4.89
Drew Brees: 4.83
Tony Romo: 5.01
David Garrard: 4.82

Are you serious with this.

DeepThreat 12-11-2012 06:55 PM

Bridgewater is the truth.

I'm also moderately interested in Braxton Miller. Want to see him continue to progress as a passer, but his ability is pretty unique.

Babylon 12-11-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 3209289)
Is he ineligible or you think he's got no shot to be the starter in 2013??

He redshirted this year and will compete with Keith Price and fellow rs fr. Jeff Lindquist for the starting job next year. Price should be the starter for next year.

FUNBUNCHER 12-12-2012 01:56 AM

Oh I thought Price was gone after this season.

Caulibflower 12-12-2012 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cigaro (Post 3208977)
My current favorite prospect for the next class. Doesn't have elite size or arm strength, but he's athletic, accurate and efficient. I have no idea why, but whenever I watch Bridgewater I think of Brady.


Wow. That was the first time I've seen him play. He plays much more like Russell Wilson than Manziel does. I'm immediately very impressed. I'm going to have to watch some more.


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