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bigbluedefense 01-29-2013 11:38 AM

Ray Lewis May Have Used a Banned Substance to Recover
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-torn-triceps/

Ruh oh. And video evidence is pretty damning. To be honest, it isn't surprising. Did anyone seriously think that Ray Lewis miraculously just recovered from torn triceps in 1/4th the time bc "he's Ray Lewis"?

Welcome to the dirty side of the NFL. I'm of the belief that tons of NFL players are using banned substances so personally don't give a crap, but it will effect his reputation that's already questionable for sure.

SuperPacker 01-29-2013 11:40 AM

Would've been funny if he was suspended for the Superbowl.

Monomach 01-29-2013 11:45 AM

I remember reading about the banning of this deer horn **** a couple of years ago on PFT, so it even got national publicity when the NFL gave it the no-go. No excuses, Ray-Ray.

FUNBUNCHER 01-29-2013 11:47 AM

I suspected Ray Lewis of using PEDs when he was 6'1, 250# and one of the fastest players on the Ravens D.

I used to be on the stump against NFL players using PEDs until I realized it's probably more widespread than it is in MLB.

There are just so many more factors involved in football than just raw power, size and speed that go into making someone a good player that I look at it as one of those ugly 'open' secrets about the game.

bigbluedefense 01-29-2013 11:50 AM

I honestly don't blame NFL players for using HGH and other banned substances. I can't imagine how their bodies don't turn to mush without some kind of help.

It's been in the game for the past 40 years. I wouldn't be surprised if half the league is using some kind of banned substance.

I can put my life savings on Mario Williams. Balding, girly voice, freak body, constantly getting hurt. Yeah, that's totally not the symptoms of a juicer. But it is what it is. This is a rampant occurrence in the NFL.

I bet a good 35% of the players on the field on SB Sunday are using banned substances. At least. I know this is all speculation on my part, I'm just putting it out there. I have no evidence to back up my claims, I just think we're naive if we don't think it's common practice.

Don Vito 01-29-2013 11:55 AM

Least surprising news of the day.

MidwestJimmy 01-29-2013 11:55 AM

I think the NFL should let players use a substance if they are trying to recover from an injury. That's why steroids were invented; they weren't supposed to be used for cheating. I want to see players play, not sit on IR. Rodney Harrison also used PEDs to recover from an injury, but not before that. Of course, if the league allowed them for injuries (which will never happen), you would have to make sure they stop after recovery.

FUNBUNCHER 01-29-2013 11:59 AM

The number of players in the SB who have ever used is probably way over 35%.
I agree I don't know how you can play at the level for years without doing something, considering how many other guys are probably doing it.

It's not like in MLB, where a .330 contact hitter can go on the gear and suddenly become a 45 HR guy.

For instance I don't think hypothetically juice alone is the reason JJ Watt is so dominant. His agility, quickness and explosive power would be special if no one in the league took anything.

PEDs in the NFL I think just reset the bar higher physically for all players, but it doesn't really change who they are talent-wise as football players.
A random WR on the gear isn't suddenly going to become Randy Moss.

Trogdor 01-29-2013 12:04 PM

At least this won't be the worst offense Ray Lewis got away with.

bigbluedefense 01-29-2013 12:08 PM

To me, this is interesting bc it questions the character of Ray Lewis. He's tried very hard to clean up his image into this god fearing man who always does the right thing.

Now this accusation lends credence to his naysayers who think he's a phony.

Don Vito 01-29-2013 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 3259273)
To me, this is interesting bc it questions the character of Ray Lewis. He's tried very hard to clean up his image into this god fearing man who always does the right thing.

Now this accusation lends credence to his naysayers who think he's a phony.

Great linebacker and Hall of Fame player, but I question the intelligence of anyone who ever truly bought into his BS antics. This run towards retirement has been especially painful, the crying during the national anthem and postgame meltdowns have been borderline unwatchable. Saddest part is that people are eating it up.

Ness 01-29-2013 12:14 PM

Would the NFL release the information that Lewis did get busted for an NFL banned substance now of all times?

SuperPacker 01-29-2013 12:17 PM

I feel embarrassed for the Ravens players every time I see Ray being so over dramatic after games.

bigbluedefense 01-29-2013 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 3259277)
Great linebacker and Hall of Fame player, but I question the intelligence of anyone who ever truly bought into his BS antics. This run towards retirement has been especially painful, the crying during the national anthem and postgame meltdowns have been borderline unwatchable. Saddest part is that people are eating it up.

Yeah he's definitely kicking it up a notch lately and it's pretty painful to watch.

jrdrylie 01-29-2013 12:20 PM

The Ravens would probably be better off if he was suspended for the game. He isn't really that great of a player anymore. Half of his tackles come from jumping on piles. And maybe the Ravens will be extra motivated to "Win one more for Ray" with him off the field.

bigbluedefense 01-29-2013 12:20 PM

I do feel that he's genuinely intense about the game. I don't think that's fake. But he's definitely been overly dramatic lately. He definitely kicks it up a notch when he knows cameras are on him.

bigbluedefense 01-29-2013 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 3259291)
The Ravens would probably be better off if he was suspended for the game. He isn't really that great of a player anymore. Half of his tackles come from jumping on piles. And maybe the Ravens will be extra motivated to "Win one more for Ray" with him off the field.

I disagree with this. Sure, he's not HOF Ray Lewis anymore but he's still a pretty darn good MIKE. He was very good vs Denver I felt. And he's still very good at diagnosing plays and putting his men in position to make plays.

Great form tackler too. He still holds great value on the field.

TitanHope 01-29-2013 01:19 PM

It's pretty common for players to boost when they're recovering from an injury. Some who recover well can get a pass just because they're studs. We saw it this year with Adrian Peterson. If he wasn't AD, then people would be highly skeptical of how he did what he did this year. So I can't say I'm surprised he'd do this.

It also brings into question his sudden career resurgence about five years ago. He looked like a shell of his old self, then boom he's back. I know that gets attributed to being shielded by Ngata, but still.

Halsey 01-29-2013 01:35 PM

Lots of players in the NFL are using both legal and illegal PEDs, folks. You're a sucker if you think otherwise. I don't need a video tape or anything else to see that there's a good chance Ray Lewis has been using PEDs for a long time.

coordinator0 01-29-2013 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 3259291)
The Ravens would probably be better off if he was suspended for the game. He isn't really that great of a player anymore. Half of his tackles come from jumping on piles. And maybe the Ravens will be extra motivated to "Win one more for Ray" with him off the field.

His replacement would be Brendan Ayanbadejo or Josh Bynes so I don't think that's true at all. Even if McClain was healthy I would rather have Lewis in there (not because I think Lewis is doing great, just that McClain is terrible). Pees has had both ILBs on the field regardless of who was playing for the majority of the year too so I wouldn't expect that to change. Especially against a team like San Francisco. Lewis hasn't been that good this season but he's better than the alternatives.

bam bam 01-29-2013 02:32 PM

This is a worthless supplement. Come on. Deer Velvet extract?

FUNBUNCHER 01-29-2013 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bam bam (Post 3259429)
This is a worthless supplement. Come on. Deer Velvet extract?

LOL. Yeah that's not exactly injecting 50ccs of test and deca.

nrk 01-29-2013 03:04 PM

With this being his final season, I could see him saying "**** it" and use PEDs to help him recover.

I wouldn't be surprised if he used them for the majority of his career though.

bigbluedefense 01-29-2013 03:06 PM

For what it's worth, I use IGF on my cells ( I do cell culture work) and it helps them grow.

*shrug*

ChiFan24 01-29-2013 03:35 PM

Also he killed some people.


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