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Azhais 01-30-2013 05:41 PM

NFL Draft Tracker Rankings Updated
 
I see the official NFL draft grades are up.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/tracke...-grade-input:1

Pretty interesting to see Patterson so high, that's almost where they had Blackmon last year.

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Player Pos Ht Wt College Pick Team Grade Watch
1 Warmack, Chance OG 6'3" 320 Alabama 95.9
2 Joeckel, Luke OT 6'6" 310 Texas A&M 95.3
3 Milliner, Dee CB 6'1" 199 Alabama 93.2
4 Mingo, Barkevious DE 6'5" 242 LSU 92.8
5 Lotulelei, Star DT 6'4" 320 Utah 92.0
6 Fisher, Eric OT 6'8" 305 Central Michigan 91.3
7 Lemonier, Corey DE 6'4" 246 Auburn 91.2
8 Smith, Geno QB 6'3" 214 West Virginia 91.0
9 Werner, Bjoern DE 6'4" 255 Florida St. 90.9
10 Richardson, Sheldon DT 6'4" 295 Missouri 90.7
11 Patterson, Cordarrelle WR 6'3" 205 Tennessee 90.6
12 Brown, Arthur ILB 6'1" 228 Kansas St. 90.3
13 Floyd, Sharrif DT 6'3" 303 Florida 90.3
14 Moore, Damontre DE 6'4" 248 Texas A&M 89.2
15 Jones, Jarvis LB 6'3" 241 Georgia 88.8
16 Hankins, Johnathan DT 6'3" 335 Ohio St. 88.6
17 Jordan, Dion OLB 6'7" 241 Oregon 88.0
18 Hopkins, DeAndre WR 5'11" 205 Clemson 87.8
19 Vaccaro, Kenny SS 6'1" 215 Texas 87.7
20 Te'o, Manti ILB 6'2" 255 Notre Dame 87.5
21 Reid, Eric S 6'2" 208 LSU 87.5
22 Ansah, Ezekiel DE 6'6" 270 BYU 87.3
23 Cooper, Jonathan OG 6'3" 310 North Carolina 86.9
24 Johnson, Lane OT 6'7" 303 Oklahoma 86.9
25 Allen, Keenan WR 6'3" 205 California 86.3

Matthew Jones 01-30-2013 05:46 PM

Mingo at #4 is rich for my tastes. 4.5 sacks last year as a left end who is projected to need a positional change at the next level due to his lack of size? Lemonier is sort of the same for me, wasn't effective rushing the passer this season and has a questionable build as well.

Brent 01-30-2013 06:44 PM

I feel like Keenan Allen should be higher.

Black Bolt 01-30-2013 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Azhais (Post 3260585)
I see the official NFL draft grades are up.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/tracke...-grade-input:1

Pretty interesting to see Patterson so high, that's almost where they had Blackmon last year.

This list is ridiculous. Mingo?? What did he do during the season to warrant this score???

BallerT1215 01-30-2013 07:09 PM

Lemonier @ 7...I like him a lot but 7??

eliasrapp98 01-30-2013 08:08 PM

I love Warmack, but #1? If he was the #1 player in the draft, regardless of him being a guard he would be a surefire top 10 pick, not a fringe top 10, most likely #15...

Azhais 01-30-2013 08:22 PM

Warmack has pretty much always been the top prospect

Nastradamus 01-30-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt (Post 3260659)
This list is ridiculous. Mingo?? What did he do during the season to warrant this score???

ITs not an all star team.

Robcards 01-31-2013 02:15 AM

Damonster seems extremely underrated. Also the first time I've seen a first round grade on Lemonier. Completely agree that Patterson should be that high though, at least.

AntoinCD 01-31-2013 05:16 AM

I see no way that Lemonier should be a top 10 player. He has no counter moves as a pass rusher and wins with athleticism. He is also a pretty bad run defender. He gives up the edge way too often being too aggressive and attacks the inside shoulder of the OT too often and gets lost inside. He doesn't use his hands well, doesn't have a strong base and has poor recognition skills. He is a solid 2nd rounder for me based on pass rushing upside but he is far from a finished product who needs a lot of coaching

Iamcanadian 01-31-2013 10:04 AM

After a close examination of the player profiles on NFL.com, I came to the conclusion that these rankings are pre season and don't reflect the current rankings. Still an interesting starting point.

Black Bolt 01-31-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nastradamus (Post 3260849)
ITs not an all star team.

What does that have to do with anything?

Black Bolt 01-31-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian (Post 3261117)
After a close examination of the player profiles on NFL.com, I came to the conclusion that these rankings are pre season and don't reflect the current rankings. Still an interesting starting point.

Impossible. Now way on Earth Ansah was rated #22 preseason. Scott didn't even know who he was if I am not mistake.

Brown Leader 01-31-2013 11:41 AM

I'm very curious who heads up these scouting reports and ranks them. They're often very different from the other NFL.com and NFLN analysts takes on guys.

Nastradamus 01-31-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt (Post 3261189)
What does that have to do with anything?

It means you aren't drafting them based solely on college production. JPP had 6.5 sacks in his last year.

Nastradamus 01-31-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt (Post 3261190)
Impossible. Now way on Earth Ansah was rated #22 preseason. Scott didn't even know who he was if I am not mistake.

and guys like Patterson and Lemonier are too high for that to be true.

mightytitan9 01-31-2013 11:45 AM

Some of the player profiles are from before the season, or sometimes everything is updated but the overview or something will say "if they can continue on the success of their junior year they can expect to be a picked in the top 100"

But I think they are pretty updated. I don't know how much they will adjust these up to the draft, but last year they were pretty accurate on most things

wicket 01-31-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nastradamus (Post 3261200)
and guys like Patterson and Lemonier are too high for that to be true.

i think lemonier shouldve been higher on the board preseason than he was at the end of the season, he was underwhelming (and i dont have a clue what he is doing that high up their board)

BearTooth 01-31-2013 08:02 PM

...and they still have Shayne Skov in there. He's staying in school. And Arthur Brown at the top of the LB list seems a bit of a stretch.

Black Bolt 01-31-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nastradamus (Post 3261199)
It means you aren't drafting them based solely on college production. JPP had 6.5 sacks in his last year.

I understand that, but he was playing with a 1st round DT and two DTs that will be drafted. He wasn't see a lot of double teams. And aside from production, his game and his body needs more development. I don't see how his ranking his warranted.

Roddoliver 01-31-2013 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Jones (Post 3260592)
Mingo at #4 is rich for my tastes. 4.5 sacks last year as a left end who is projected to need a positional change at the next level due to his lack of size?

The 4.5 sacks mean little to me. I believe Clay Matthews also had 4.5 sacks in 2008. Aldon Smith had 6 sacks in 2010. Teams look at the player and his skills that can translate to the NFL. Maybe the scheme did not help him in college, or maybe he created pressure and forced a lot of quick throws without getting the sack. Look at the QBs; some are extremely productive in a certain scheme in college but their skills don't translate to the NFL. Mingo looks like a natural 3-4 OLB to me.

Roddoliver 01-31-2013 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian (Post 3261117)
After a close examination of the player profiles on NFL.com, I came to the conclusion that these rankings are pre season and don't reflect the current rankings. Still an interesting starting point.

These rankings are updated. Matt Barkley was probably ranked very high before the season, much higher than Geno Smith, and Cordarelle Patterson came from JUCO. Eric Fisher also would not be that high before the season. Shariff Floyd up, Manti Te'o down. The whole thing looks updated to me.

metafour 01-31-2013 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian (Post 3261117)
After a close examination of the player profiles on NFL.com, I came to the conclusion that these rankings are pre season and don't reflect the current rankings. Still an interesting starting point.

Might want to come to a different conclusion. NFL.com had Patterson at #11 before he even played a single snap of D1 football?

Roddoliver 02-01-2013 10:00 AM

Some players still don't have a grade (Eddie Lacy is one of them).

Azhais 02-05-2013 01:57 PM

On a similar theme, NFP's top 200 is out:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...ersion-50.html

Surprises (for me anyway): Ryan Nassib- #1 overall prospect, Geno- 5th QB on the list.


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