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CouchPotato 02-05-2013 08:31 PM

2014 NFL Draft - Blue Chip RB or WR?
 
What does the 2014 draft class look like for rb and wr's? Are there any blue chip prospects?

bigbuc 02-05-2013 10:37 PM

Lee from USC WR

Shane P. Hallam 02-05-2013 10:49 PM

Marqise Lee and Sammy Watkins as blue chip WRs.

RBs don't have that, we'll have to wait for 2015 (though we said that about this class at this point RE: Lattimore and Dyer).

vidae 02-05-2013 11:04 PM

Don't worry guys, next year every position will be a lot stronger..

holt_bruce81 02-05-2013 11:36 PM

Lache Seastrunk I think can be thrown in that discussion. Also really love Jordan Matthews.

Attyla the Hawk 02-06-2013 12:20 AM

Lee, Watkins and Coleman

norcalgsr 02-06-2013 01:53 AM

QB:

Teddy Bridgewater: total package, pure pocket passer
Derek Carr: best pure arm, but can he improve vs pressure?

RB:

Lache Seastrunk: a faster version of Giovani Bernard
Jeremy Hill: yes, he's draft-eligible, moves well for a "big" back
Jay Ajayi: every bit as good as Doug Martin, going to blow up next season
James White: better prospect than Montee Ball, can create his own yards

WR:

Mike Evans: big bodied with great ball skills, Brandon Marshall/Vincent Jackson type
Sean Price: arguably better prospect than Brian Quick
Malcolm Mitchell: needs to stay at WR, crazy run after catch skills

TE:

Austin Seferian-Jenkins: strong at catch point, crazy ball skills
Colt Lyerla: a taller Aaron Hernandez
Eric Ebron: a WR in a TE body

Caulibflower 02-06-2013 03:47 AM

Derek Carr is not a blue chip prospect.

Ozzy 02-06-2013 07:19 AM

Always fun to look ahead, helps to value current and future players by position.


These guys all have potential to be a blue chip prospect, some are and some could become one. The running back group is very weak but the receivers there are a lot of good elite players as juniors.


RB
Michael Dyer Arkansas State - is he what he used to be as a player?
Lache Seastrunk Baylor - can he back up his own hype?
Dri Archer Kent State - not totally elite but in a weak class he is solid
Ameer Abdullah Nebraska - a lot of talent as an overall back/return man





WR
Marqise Lee USC JR - easy #1 guy at the positoin
Malcolm Mitchell Georgia JR - tons of talent, should be a 1st round pick
Kelvin Benjamin Florida State RS SOPH - physically is as good as anyone
Sammy Watkins Clemson JR - needs to be like he was as a freshman
Shaquelle Evans UCLA SR - needs to keep improving
DeVante Parker Louisville JR
Brandon Coleman Rutgers SR - needs to keep improving
Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt SR - great ball catcher and has good size
TJ Jones Notre Dame SR - great route runner but needs keep improving








"norcalgsr QB:

Teddy Bridgewater: total package, pure pocket passer
Derek Carr: best pure arm, but can he improve vs pressure? - there are more quarterbacks that are much more elite than he is

RB:

Lache Seastrunk: a faster version of Giovani Bernard

Jeremy Hill: yes, he's draft-eligible, moves well for a "big" back possibly in a weak running back class, but give me Dyer over him at this point

Jay Ajayi: every bit as good as Doug Martin, going to blow up next season

James White: better prospect than Montee Ball, can create his own yards I doubt White or Ball will be very effective players in the pros

WR:

Mike Evans: big bodied with great ball skills, Brandon Marshall/Vincent Jackson type

Sean Price: arguably better prospect than Brian Quick Isn't he a freshman this up coming season?

Malcolm Mitchell: needs to stay at WR, crazy run after catch skills Agree he is a very elite talent

TE:

Austin Seferian-Jenkins: strong at catch point, crazy ball skills Agree he is the best tight end next year by far

Colt Lyerla: a taller Aaron Hernandez Possibly but is a little overrated to me

Eric Ebron: a WR in a TE body" He is very good along with about 5 other sophomore players

WCH 02-06-2013 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3266973)
Don't worry guys, next year every position will be a lot stronger..

Especially at QB. There's always a better class of QBs next year.

gpngc 02-06-2013 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norcalgsr (Post 3267034)
QB:

Teddy Bridgewater: total package, pure pocket passer
Derek Carr: best pure arm, but can he improve vs pressure?

RB:

Lache Seastrunk: a faster version of Giovani Bernard
Jeremy Hill: yes, he's draft-eligible, moves well for a "big" back
Jay Ajayi: every bit as good as Doug Martin, going to blow up next season
James White: better prospect than Montee Ball, can create his own yards

WR:

Mike Evans: big bodied with great ball skills, Brandon Marshall/Vincent Jackson type
Sean Price: arguably better prospect than Brian Quick
Malcolm Mitchell: needs to stay at WR, crazy run after catch skills

TE:

Austin Seferian-Jenkins: strong at catch point, crazy ball skills
Colt Lyerla: a taller Aaron Hernandez
Eric Ebron: a WR in a TE body

You are forgetting someone...

Babylon 02-06-2013 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 3267081)
You are forgetting someone...

Some guy with a catchy nickname. How could we forget what'shisface.

norcalgsr 02-06-2013 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caulibflower (Post 3267043)
Derek Carr is not a blue chip prospect.

He's next year's Tyler Bray, talent-wise. Best pure arm in the draft.

norcalgsr 02-06-2013 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzy (Post 3267079)
Always fun to look ahead, helps to value current and future players by position.


These guys all have potential to be a blue chip prospect, some are and some could become one. The running back group is very weak but the receivers there are a lot of good elite players as juniors.


RB
Michael Dyer Arkansas State - is he what he used to be as a player?
Lache Seastrunk Baylor - can he back up his own hype?
Dri Archer Kent State - not totally elite but in a weak class he is solid
Ameer Abdullah Nebraska - a lot of talent as an overall back/return man





WR
Marqise Lee USC JR - easy #1 guy at the positoin
Malcolm Mitchell Georgia JR - tons of talent, should be a 1st round pick
Kelvin Benjamin Florida State RS SOPH - physically is as good as anyone
Sammy Watkins Clemson JR - needs to be like he was as a freshman
Shaquelle Evans UCLA SR - needs to keep improving
DeVante Parker Louisville JR
Brandon Coleman Rutgers SR - needs to keep improving
Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt SR - great ball catcher and has good size
TJ Jones Notre Dame SR - great route runner but needs keep improving








"norcalgsr QB:

Teddy Bridgewater: total package, pure pocket passer
Derek Carr: best pure arm, but can he improve vs pressure? - there are more quarterbacks that are much more elite than he is

RB:

Lache Seastrunk: a faster version of Giovani Bernard

Jeremy Hill: yes, he's draft-eligible, moves well for a "big" back possibly in a weak running back class, but give me Dyer over him at this point

Jay Ajayi: every bit as good as Doug Martin, going to blow up next season

James White: better prospect than Montee Ball, can create his own yards I doubt White or Ball will be very effective players in the pros

WR:

Mike Evans: big bodied with great ball skills, Brandon Marshall/Vincent Jackson type

Sean Price: arguably better prospect than Brian Quick Isn't he a freshman this up coming season?

Malcolm Mitchell: needs to stay at WR, crazy run after catch skills Agree he is a very elite talent

TE:

Austin Seferian-Jenkins: strong at catch point, crazy ball skills Agree he is the best tight end next year by far

Colt Lyerla: a taller Aaron Hernandez Possibly but is a little overrated to me

Eric Ebron: a WR in a TE body" He is very good along with about 5 other sophomore players

There are QBs who are better than Carr right now, but he has the talent to be elite in the NFL.

Sean Price will be a redshirt Sophomore next year.

norcalgsr 02-06-2013 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 3267081)
You are forgetting someone...

Manziel
Mariota
Hogan

I don't think these guys will declare so I didn't bother including them.

Babylon 02-06-2013 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norcalgsr (Post 3267034)
QB:

Teddy Bridgewater: total package, pure pocket passer
Derek Carr: best pure arm, but can he improve vs pressure?

RB:

Lache Seastrunk: a faster version of Giovani Bernard
Jeremy Hill: yes, he's draft-eligible, moves well for a "big" back
Jay Ajayi: every bit as good as Doug Martin, going to blow up next season
James White: better prospect than Montee Ball, can create his own yards

WR:

Mike Evans: big bodied with great ball skills, Brandon Marshall/Vincent Jackson type
Sean Price: arguably better prospect than Brian Quick
Malcolm Mitchell: needs to stay at WR, crazy run after catch skills

TE:

Austin Seferian-Jenkins: strong at catch point, crazy ball skills
Colt Lyerla: a taller Aaron Hernandez
Eric Ebron: a WR in a TE body

Matt Miller Boise st Wr, if you're looking for that big Jordy Nelson type.

gpngc 02-06-2013 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norcalgsr (Post 3267291)
Manziel
Mariota
Hogan

I don't think these guys will declare so I didn't bother including them.

Barring injury or some weird situation, Manziel will leave.

holt_bruce81 02-06-2013 02:34 PM

Lee isn't the clear #1 IMO. I'd take Watkins over him.

Cigaro 02-06-2013 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holt_bruce81 (Post 3267466)
Lee isn't the clear #1 IMO. I'd take Watkins over him.

Next year will be key for Watkins. As great as he was as a freshman, that disappeared last year. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't special. I'm still a huge fan of his overall physical ability and think he has the potential to be an elite prospect, but I'd definitely give the edge for the moment to Lee.

norcalgsr 02-06-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cigaro (Post 3267543)
Next year will be key for Watkins. As great as he was as a freshman, that disappeared last year. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't special. I'm still a huge fan of his overall physical ability and think he has the potential to be an elite prospect, but I'd definitely give the edge for the moment to Lee.

I might take Malcolm Mitchell over Lee and Watkins. Dude has crazy change of direction that allows him to be a top CB prospect.

Caulibflower 02-06-2013 05:27 PM

It's hard to find footage of him, but Fresno State's Davonte Adams has popped off the screen at me. He was only a RS Frosh this year but led the team with 102 catches for 1312 yards and 14 TDs. Obviously it's not all about the stats, but he's also 6'2" 200+ and reportedly runs sub-4.5 and has a 40+ vert, looks to have long arms and big hands, and can make some circus catches. I don't think he's well-known enough yet to truly be a "blue-chipper," but he at least profiles as "prototypical."

3 of his 13 catches in the Hawaii Bowl, including a "did he really just catch that?" TD.


ChiFan24 02-06-2013 05:41 PM

What is Dyer's deal? Injuries?

norcalgsr 02-06-2013 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caulibflower (Post 3267706)
It's hard to find footage of him, but Fresno State's Davonte Adams has popped off the screen at me. He was only a RS Frosh this year but led the team with 102 catches for 1312 yards and 14 TDs. Obviously it's not all about the stats, but he's also 6'2" 200+ and reportedly runs sub-4.5 and has a 40+ vert, looks to have long arms and big hands, and can make some circus catches. I don't think he's well-known enough yet to truly be a "blue-chipper," but he at least profiles as "prototypical."

3 of his 13 catches in the Hawaii Bowl, including a "did he really just catch that?" TD.


One of my favorites. He looks like a better version of Aaron Dobson. My pro comparison for him is Stevie Johnson.

coach4fu 02-06-2013 07:44 PM

Cody Hoffman from BYU is a stud. Great size, hands and a noted route runner for NFL scouts.

rawdawg 02-06-2013 08:34 PM

Adams looks like the real deal. Kinda reminds me of Alshon Jeffery. Maybe not as big (yet), but has similar length and looks like he has some sneaky speed. He doesn't look like a sub 4.5 guy on TV, but I'd guess mid-4.5s, which isn't bad for a guy with that type of size.


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