Front Seven Rankings (Top 15 DE's/DT's/LB's)
Please continue with the discussion, criticism, and posting of other rankings now with the defensive linemen and linebackers.
Corners & Safeties (1/29): http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...ad.php?t=55445
Receivers & Tight Ends (2/1): http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...ad.php?t=55490
Quarterbacks & Running backs (2/3): http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...ad.php?t=55531
Offensive Linemen (2/6): http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...ad.php?t=55562
1. Bjoern Werner : FLORIDA STATE
2. Damontre Moore : TEXAS A&M
3. Ezekiel Ansah : BRIGHAM YOUNG
4. Sam Montgomery : LOUISIANA STATE
5. Datone Jones : UCLA
6. Alex Okafor : TEXAS
7. Cornellius Carradine : FLORIDA STATE
8. David Bass : MISSOURI WESTERN
9. Corey Lemonier : AUBURN
10. Michael Buchanan : ILLINOIS
11. Malliciah Goodman : CLEMSON
12. Margus Hunt : SOUTHERN METHODIST
13. William Gholston : MICHIGAN STATE
14. John Simon : OHIO STATE
15. Tourek Williams : FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL
Analysis: The six guys who top this list are all first round possibilities so once again we have a strong position within this draft. Ezekiel Ansah is easily one of the most discussed prospects, and it's tough to tell how high he will go but there's no doubt about the Top 20. Sam Montgomery was a pre-season Top 5 prospect, and while he didn't have the season most were hoping for, he was solid and possesses the skill set to be a fantastic all-around end in the NFL. Malliciah Goodman is one of the more intriguing and puzzling prospects in this draft class. Physically he has all the necessities to be a very good player, but to this point it has translated to the field enough to warrant a higher selection. Margus Hunt is in that same class, and it's almost a guarantee that he'll be overdrafted. Overall, a quality group of ends and the even the lower rated guys hold decent potential because they have tools to work with.
1. Star Lotulelei : UTAH
2. Sheldon Richardson : MISSOURI
3. Shariff Floyd : FLORIDA
4. Sylvester Williams : NORTH CAROLINA
5. Kawann Short : PURDUE
6. Johnathan Hankins : OHIO STATE
7. Jesse Williams : ALABAMA
8. Brandon Williams : MISSOURI SOUTHERN
9. John Jenkins : GEORGIA
10. Akeem Spence : ILLINOIS
11. Kwame Geathers : GEORGIA
12. Bennie Logan : LOUISIANA STATE
13. Jordan Hill : PENN STATE
14. Chris Jones : BOWLING GREEN
15. Cory Grissom : SOUTH FLORIDA
Analysis: An incredible number of these players (8) have the chance to break into the first round from the sounds of it and quite possibly ten in the first two rounds. If there's an "elite" prospect in this defensive draft class, Star would be that guy, and Richardson and Floyd may join him in the Top 10. I understand why some scouts are drooling over Floyd, and he's jumped to #3 in my rankings because he proved to be more consistent than others listed and his potential is rather high as well. John Jenkins is a mountain of a man and I want to like him more a prospect, but more times than not he's just average when placed on the football field. Chris Jones is an under-the-radar prospect, who was extremely productive throughout his entire collegiate career, and reminds me of Colts' defensive lineman Ricardo Mathews as a prospect. Overall, the strongest position in this draft at the top, and there will be plenty of variation when discussing the rankings of these prospects.
1. Dion Jordan : OREGON
2. Jarvis Jones : GEORGIA
3. Arthur Brown : KANSAS STATE
4. Barkevious Mingo : LOUISIANA STATE
5. Khaseem Greene : RUTGERS
6. Jamie Collins : SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
7. Zaviar Gooden : MISSOURI
8. Chase Thomas : STANFORD
9. Gerald Hodges : PENN STATE
10. Sio Moore : CONNECTICUIT
11. Keith Pough : HOWARD
12. Ty Powell : HARDING
13. Kiko Alonso : OREGON
14. Sean Porter : TEXAS A&M
15. Trevardo Williams : CONNECTICUIT
Analysis: Dion Jordan is a unique prospect with his size, length and athleticism, and he's also scheme versatile (3-4 OLB, 4-3 SAM). Jarvis Jones had a terrific junior year at Georgia, but he doesn't take the number one spot due to the question marks with his spinal stenosis and after the combine he could drop further if it's determined that his career could very well be cut short due to his medical question marks. Barkevious Mingo has all the physical numbers to be a force at the next level, but he was an underwhelming player this season and he may be an athlete more than a football player. Chase Thomas had a strong year at Stanford, but the Senior Bowl proved he is stuck strictly as a 3-4 OLB and that'll hurt slightly come April. Sio Moore has been one of the brightest spots during the off-season games and his stock is well on the rise. Overall, a few guys have the potential to come in and wow us, and I see a bunch of steady starters in the league from this group.
1. Kevin Minter : LOUISIANA STATE
2. Alec Ogletree : GEORGIA
3. Manti Te’o : NOTRE DAME
4. Vince Williams : FLORIDA STATE
5. AJ Klein : IOWA STATE
6. Nico Johnson : ALABAMA
7. Kevin Reddick : NORTH CAROLINA
8. Bruce Taylor : VIRGINIA TECH
9. Jon Bostic : FLORIDA
10. Michael Mauti : PENN STATE
Analysis: The inside backers are all about three guys, and they're led by Kevin Minter. Minter was the most impressive player on a talented Tigers' defense this year, and he possesses physicality along with sideline-to-sideline range. Alec Ogletree is an outstanding athlete, but questions on his toughness and ability to shed blocks knocks him off the top spot. AJ Klein is one of the more underrated prospects this year as an instinctive, physical, and experienced player inside. Kevin Reddick is tough to figure out; statistically you would expect to see a difference maker but far too often he's invisible on the field. Overall, a strong group at the top and steady the rest of the way.
What can you tell me about Bass?
If an OT gets his hands on Dion Jordan, I think he's easily neutralized in the NFL until he gets significantly stronger. In many ways he's still the guy who transitioned from playing WR to playing on the defensive side of the football.
No one can rely on a speed rush/counter to consistently beat OTs in the NFL. Jordan couldn't even do that in the Pac 12.
I still think he's a fantastic athlete, but I don't know how physically suited he is yet to start in the pros.
In some ways he reminds me of Aaron Maybin who is a very athletic player who has trouble when he locks up on a blocker.
Good list. I rank mine a little different. I lump all pass rushers together 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB, thus the list is 20 deep. And my OLB rankings are all 4-3 OLBs. My ILB rankings are 4-3 MLBs and 3-4 ILBs. Never really know what to do with 3-4 DEs, but there aren't a whole lot of guys strictly pigeonholed in that position like there has been the last few years.
1. Jarvis Jones- GEORGIA
2. Barkevious Mingo- LSU
3. Damontre Moore- TEXAS A&M
4. Bjoern Werner- FLORIDA ST
5. Alex Okafor- TEXAS
6. Sam Montgomery- LSU
7. Ezekiel Ansah- BYU
8. Datone Jones- UCLA
9. Dion Jordan- OREGON
10 Cornelius Carradine- FLORIDA ST
11 Brandon Jenkins- FLORIDA ST
12 Corey Lemonier- AUBURN
13 Margus Hunt- SMU
14 John Simon- OHIO ST
15 Michael Buchanan- ILLINOIS
16 William Gholston- MICHIGAN ST
17 Devin Taylor- SOUTH CAROLINA
18 Malliciah Goodman- CLEMSON
19 Stansly Maponga- TCU
20 Chase Thomas- STANFORD
1. Star Loutelelei- UTAH
2. Sheldon Richardson- MISSOURI
3. Sharrif Floyd- LSU
4. Kawaan Short- PURDUE
5. Jonathan Hankins- OHIO ST
6. Jesse Williams- ALABAMA
7. Sylvester Williams- NORTH CAROLINA
8. John Jenkins- GEORGIA
9. Bennie Logan- LSU
10 Jordan Hill- PENN ST
11 Brandon Williams- MISSOURI SOUTHERN ST
1. Khaseem Greene- RUTGERS
2. Arthur Brown- KANSAS ST
3. Sean Porter- TEXAS A&M
4. Jelani Jenkins- FLORIDA
5. Zaviar Gooden- MISSOURI
6. Sio Moore- UCONN
7. Gerald Hodges- PENN ST
8. Devonte Holloman- SOUTH CAROLINA
9. Trevardo Williams- UCONN
10 Jamie Collins- SOUTHERN MISS
1. Alec Ogletree- GEORGIA
2. Manti Te'o- NOTRE DAME
3. Kevin Minter- LSU
4. Kevin Reddick- NORTH CAROLINA
5. Jonathan Bostic- FLORIDA
6. Nico Johnson- ALABAMA
7. AJ Klein- IOWA STATE
8. Kiko Alonzo- OREGON
9. Vince Williams- FLORIDA ST
10 Michael Mauti- PENN ST
A lot of these rankings are subject to change depending on the combine. As I do put a lot of stock into speed and explosiveness, which can probably be determined by my rankings with the best athletes at each position at or near the top.
Really interested to see how Vince Williams runs. He's project in the 4.9 range by some, but if he gets anywhere near 4.78...he moves up maybe to #4. Admittedly, I don't know a ton about Jamie Collins, gotta do more homework on him.
Klein is another guy who's 40 and drills I want to see at the combine. If he can show he can move around in zone coverage, he'll go way up on my board. Either way, someone is going to get a really good football player with him. Alonzo is the guy I don't know what to make of. I really wanted to see him in the senior bowl. Not really sure what type of NFL player he will be.
Either way, all good stuff, probably your best of all your lists, IMO. Well thought out and good reasoning for your rankings.
I think Alec Ogeltree at ILB would be a problem. He looks like 4-3 OLB to me.
- I still can't figure out why people like Montgomery so much. Having a hard time coming up with things he does better than Tank and Okafor who are ranked below. Stiff straight-line athlete who doesn't bend particularly well. He's on the ground and is the last guy off the ball way too often. Don't see a lot of upside as a pass rusher in the pros. I dunno he's just one of those guys where I just don't see it. If someone can make a good case for him, I'm all ears (or eyes given that this is the internet).
- I know he tore his ACL but Quanterrus Smith from Western Kentucky needs to be in that top 15. I kinda thought he'd be a guy you'd be all over. Was the national leader in sacks before he hurt his knee. Playing at WKU people might assume he's "raw" but he's actually one of the best players I've watched this year at setting up his pass rush moves. Beat cyrus Kouandjio and Fluker cleanly on his way to a sack vs. Bama. I understand if he's a guy who maybe didn't make it on your radar but I highly recommend you check him out if you haven't already.
Here Q is versus Alabama.
When did he tear his ACL, what week? Did someone roll into it or did it just got when he planted?
Never saw the injury, but he hurt it in the game before last. November 19th, I believe. So, assuming he's more Rashard Mendenhall than Adrian Peterson, he could be in danger of being IR'd as a rookie.
And this is coming from someone who thinks Ogletree can be a star and an elite LB in the league if he's put right role, but I don't see anything about his game translates well to the inside. He's a run-and-chase LB all day. Part of his value is that with his length and cover skills he can match up and run with TE's and slot WR's which will allow teams not to have to bring an extra DB on the field. By trapping him inside, his best assets are kind of being wasted.
Ogletree is still raw and growing. He doesn't do those linebacker things because he's new to the position. He can be projected to any linebacker spot. His potential is off the charts.
he middle. Brian Urlacher and Ray Lewis had the same abilities coming out and neither of them was wasted inside. Now u can say both are/were better at the POA but this also an NFL now that features a lot of zone run concepts to allow MLBs to use their speed in the tackle box.
But my original point was more that he csn play ant LB position and definitely more than the weak side....which u obviously agree with.
Great stuff PF. I wonder if you could elaborate on what is you see in Werner that puts him at the top of your DE ranking? Just watched a good chunk of his tape from this season, and Im not overly impressed tbh. Granted, he does have a great first step, turns the corner pretty well, and has good closing speed. On the other hand I see him give up on a ton of plays, which really rubs me the wrong way. Doesnt seem like he sheds blocks all that well if the lineman wins the initial battle, and his ability to play the run leaves a lot to be desired in a lot of situations. Overall hes a real headscratcher to me.
Tbh before Tank Carradine went down this year, im not even sure I would consider Werner the best DE on his own team.
Credit to Fieldgulls for making me notice, but Phillip Steward of Houston looks like the real deal at WLB. Estimated Measurables: 6' 230, 4.60. 2012 Stats: 128 tackles, 19 TFL, 11 sacks, 2 INT, 5 FF. (#42 in the video)
Reminds me of Mychal Kendricks, too.
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