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RedMeat 02-11-2013 09:10 AM

Percy Harvin Trade Value
 
Over the weekend Percy Harvin trade rumors really ramped up to a new level as it appears now Viking's GM Rick Spielman is looking to trade Percy Harvin for Draft Picks, in his rebuilding effort in Minnesota. It seems talks will be hot and heavy with Rick at the upcoming combine about a deal to acquire Harvin's services. No Doubt a high impact player, Percy will be playing in his final year of his contract at around 4 million this coming season. The former 1st round pick (22nd overall) slid in that draft due to pot issues, but has had no drug issues during his time in the league. The Florida Gator star was nagged early on in the NFL with migraine issues which seem to have been corrected the past two years. He has been relatively injury free and has missed very few games till this seasons ankle injury. In the past few weeks he returned to their facility for his post-season NFL check-out, and announced healthy and healed. A dynamic play-maker, used mainly as a slot receiver with the Viking's, he has been a very dangerous kickoff returner. Very strong for his size, he ran a blazing 4.41 at the combine, and plays faster. At the time of his injury last season, he was on pace for a dynamic year. Percy's youth (26) is a big plus for teams. Blowups with head coach Frazier seem to be his undoing with his team. Articles on his trade value along with forums across the internet vary wildly from a 1st rd. pick to a 5th, along with different combinations. Many see the Patriots moving on from Wes Welker (32 in May), and and will be an active bidder for Harvin. What is Percy Harvins trade value, and the team he ends up with next season?
( I hope this is the correct Forum for this!) Thanks, Dave

villagewarrior 02-11-2013 09:14 AM

I think late 1st to early 2nd is appropriate, anything lower would be a steal. I hope if he's available the Chiefs offer up their 2nd pick for him.

killxswitch 02-11-2013 09:18 AM

Great player, especially now that his sleep apnea is diagnosed and under control. But I hate the idea of trading a 1st and then having to give that player a huge new contract. He deserves one, but I'd rather another team pay him. Preferably one in the NFC that the Colts don't play anytime soon.

RedMeat 02-11-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by villagewarrior (Post 3271222)
I think late 1st to early 2nd is appropriate, anything lower would be a steal. I hope if he's available the Chiefs offer up their 2nd pick for him.

Hi villagewarrior, you must be a Chiefs fan, what really is the Dwayne Bowe issue? As the Vikings know, a legit #1 WR is hard to come by. Expensive, and often time diva's, but nice to have on Sundays....

Don Vito 02-11-2013 09:30 AM

Not to nitpick but he is 24 years old, will be 25 when the season starts.

descendency 02-11-2013 09:32 AM

I think because he's going to command a 5 year 50+ (maybe even 60+) million dollar contract, it will be hard to offer up a second round pick.

If the Vikings keep him and then lose him to FA, would you really be able to console yourself with a low second or less? I think they won't trade him, but they are trying because he asked for it.

RedMeat 02-11-2013 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch (Post 3271226)
Great player, especially now that his sleep apnea is diagnosed and under control. But I hate the idea of trading a 1st and then having to give that player a huge new contract. He deserves one, but I'd rather another team pay him. Preferably one in the NFC that the Colts don't play anytime soon.

Hi killxswitch, I have seen that comment over and over, about having to re-do Harvins contract too. That is the double-edged sword, acquiring a good player, then having to pay. That makes sense to a point as a negative, but good players help a team win on Sunday, and deserve payment. A average or poor player is cheaper, but at what cost in the win-loss column?

RedMeat 02-11-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 3271231)
Not to nitpick but he is 24 years old, will be 25 when the season starts.

You are correct sir. I wish I could lose a year off my age that quick!

RedMeat 02-11-2013 09:56 AM

Percy's early years seemed to be no problem with his personality. Many say issues may have started when Percy and Randy Moss started hanging around together, and planted the seed. Last spring Percy started the "trade me thing", but entered the season as a terror, and all seemed good. Problems with anger bubbled up at Coach Frazier (who is as laid back and liked by all, even the teams beat writers). I have a feeling the powers that be don't want him around the locker room of one of NFL's youngest teams. Anyway, as far as the public, Percy has been very, very quiet during the season, and beyond, for now. Being so young, and a "star", I really feel he would be better on a team with a stronger, personality wise, head coach, as well as being in a locker room with more seasoned veterans that would tell the young man how things go.

villagewarrior 02-11-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RedMeat (Post 3271228)
Hi villagewarrior, you must be a Chiefs fan, what really is the Dwayne Bowe issue? As the Vikings know, a legit #1 WR is hard to come by. Expensive, and often time diva's, but nice to have on Sundays....

Bowe's a decent number 1 option and nothing to sneeze at, but he's got some areas that irk me. Frustrating inconsistency (catches tough passes then drops easy ones) and pointing at his own name when his team is getting blown out. I'd want the Chiefs to go after Harvin even if they resign Bowe.

RedMeat 02-11-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by villagewarrior (Post 3271254)
Bowe's a decent number 1 option and nothing to sneeze at, but he's got some areas that irk me. Frustrating inconsistency (catches tough passes then drops easy ones) and pointing at his own name when his team is getting blown out. I'd want the Chiefs to go after Harvin even if they resign Bowe.

Thanks. I just don't see them letting Bowe walk, I don't know the ins and outs at KC, but feel it would be a mistake. Here in Minny, we could only dream about the issues teams would have having to play against the kid if he had a #1 to go along with him. He is a nightmare to scheme against, and can line up anywhere on the field. RB/Slot/WR. A Reggie Bush-Plus. And a nasty kick-off man. I sure hope the AFC gets him...

bruschis4all 02-11-2013 10:48 AM

If I'm the Pats I'd give you our second for him if Welker leaves. Gives me a much cheaper option this year and hopefully one that can be re-signed long term. That wouldn't kick in until next year. People have speculated Belichick really wanted him when he came out of Florida. Vikes snagged him right before Pats picked.

RedMeat 02-11-2013 11:15 AM

The Pats are just the medicine needed for Mr. Harvin. I wonder if any other teams get involved to up the ante? The Pats 2nd almost tastes like a 3rd...

bruschis4all 02-11-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RedMeat (Post 3271307)
The Pats are just the medicine needed for Mr. Harvin. I wonder if any other teams get involved to up the ante? The Pats 2nd almost tastes like a 3rd...

Other teams will have to beat that offer. With only a 1,2,3 and two 7's, the Pats can't give up more picks. Someone could beat the offer. But, I'm not even sure Belichick gives up a 2nd. I would because the window is closing on Brady's career and want another Lombardi. Also, because of the lower cap hit this should allow them to keep Talib and sign a safety.

Razor 02-11-2013 11:28 AM

If we can get Harvin for our second rounder I'm all for it. I don't want to give up a first though. Too many question marks for that. Also, I'd worry about the focus of players like Spikes, Cunningham, Hernandez and Demps if Harvin joins that group. It might be too many players from one team, especially a team with as many off field incidents as the Gators.

Dr. Gonzo 02-11-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by descendency (Post 3271232)
I think because he's going to command a 5 year 50+ (maybe even 60+) million dollar contract, it will be hard to offer up a second round pick.

If the Vikings keep him and then lose him to FA, would you really be able to console yourself with a low second or less? I think they won't trade him, but they are trying because he asked for it.

I have a feeling there were be many teams in on him so if he does get traded it will be for at least an early second. Maybe it is wishful thinking but I think the Vikings end up getting a first for him. The Vikings don't need to trade him so I think that will drive up the price as well as him being an elite receiver. Yes he will need to get paid but having him under contract for this year as well as insuring you don't have to compete with other teams to sign him next offseason will mean at least one time will be willing to give up a good amount.

BallerT1215 02-11-2013 11:38 AM

The other teams have the leverage over the Vikings. It will start out with 3rd rnd offers and if there is a bidding war, best case scenario a 2nd rnd pick but that is BEST CASE. His sleep apnea might be cleared up, but it doesnt take away the fake that he is as injury prone as anyone in the NFL. Dynamic but injury prone dating back to Florida. 2nd, Frazier isn't the only coach he has problems with. It has been well documented that he has clashed with a number of position coaches in practice including blowups towards coaches in front of other teammates.

Add in the fact that whatever team gets him will be paying him big and taking a chance on his dynamic style even though injury prone.....the leverage belongs to the other teams, not the vikings..

Dr. Gonzo 02-11-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BallerT1215 (Post 3271329)
The other teams have the leverage over the Vikings. It will start out with 3rd rnd offers and if there is a bidding war, best case scenario a 2nd rnd pick but that is BEST CASE. His sleep apnea might be cleared up, but it doesnt take away the fake that he is as injury prone as anyone in the NFL. Dynamic but injury prone dating back to Florida. 2nd, Frazier isn't the only coach he has problems with. It has been well documented that he has clashed with a number of position coaches in practice including blowups towards coaches in front of other teammates.

Add in the fact that whatever team gets him will be paying him big and taking a chance on his dynamic style even though injury prone.....the leverage belongs to the other teams, not the vikings..

He is not injury prone though. Also, other teams will be competing against each other. It's not like teams will be calling each other and insuring nobody offers a first.

killxswitch 02-11-2013 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RedMeat (Post 3271237)
Hi killxswitch, I have seen that comment over and over, about having to re-do Harvins contract too. That is the double-edged sword, acquiring a good player, then having to pay. That makes sense to a point as a negative, but good players help a team win on Sunday, and deserve payment. A average or poor player is cheaper, but at what cost in the win-loss column?

I think there are teams for whom it would be worth it, sure. Harvin's proven he's a rare playmaker. My post was with my team in mind specifically. I'd rather continue to develop TY Hilton at this point. He's not Harvin yet, but as a rookie showed excellent potential as a slot receiver and playmaking threat. It would make no sense for the Colts to lose a pick and invest heavily in Harvin, but it might for another team. Hopefully an NFC team.

LonghornsLegend 02-11-2013 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BallerT1215 (Post 3271329)
The other teams have the leverage over the Vikings. It will start out with 3rd rnd offers and if there is a bidding war, best case scenario a 2nd rnd pick but that is BEST CASE. His sleep apnea might be cleared up, but it doesnt take away the fake that he is as injury prone as anyone in the NFL. Dynamic but injury prone dating back to Florida. 2nd, Frazier isn't the only coach he has problems with. It has been well documented that he has clashed with a number of position coaches in practice including blowups towards coaches in front of other teammates.

Add in the fact that whatever team gets him will be paying him big and taking a chance on his dynamic style even though injury prone.....the leverage belongs to the other teams, not the vikings..


*sigh* I'm not even going to bother this time...

D-Unit 02-11-2013 01:03 PM

Percy Harvin for Miles Austin.

PossibleCabbage 02-11-2013 01:30 PM

I really have to know his issue with Frazier/Spielman before I would comment on his value.

I think a baseline for "what he's worth" would be the Brandon Marshall trade last year. Harvin is younger, and should cost more (but his value might get dragged down a bit because he's primarily a slot guy) but if Harvin is being shown the door because of a personality conflict/he's hard to deal with, then that would be similar to the Marshall situation.

BallerT1215 02-11-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend (Post 3271349)
*sigh* I'm not even going to bother this time...

There is literally something always wrong with the guy during the week since his Florida days. Please don't dispute that.

His talent is unbelievable but the guy is getting borderline headcase especially with all these problems with coaches. He also got into a big fight with a position coach at Florida when he was there but urban doesn't bench his stars.

Teams will pause before trading high value and giving him a huge contract, just watch.

RedMeat 02-11-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 3271381)
Percy Harvin for Miles Austin.

I bet Jerry would love Percy wearing that Star in the slot for Dallas. I feel GM Rick wants that Draft Pick.
-Re-do Romo, Cut Free and Ratliff.

1. Tony Romo (cap number $16.8 million, base salary $11.5 million)
2. Brandon Carr (cap number $16.3 million, base salary $14.3 million)
3. DeMarcus Ware (cap number $11.3 million, base salary $5.5 million)
4. Doug Free (cap number $10.2 million, base salary $7 million)
5. Miles Austin (cap number $8.3 million, base salary $6.7 million)
6. Jason Witten (cap number $8 million, base salary $5.5 million)
7. Jay Ratliff (cap number $7 million, base salary $5 million)
8. Dan Connor (cap number $4.3 million, base salary $3 million)
9. Gerald Sensabaugh (cap number $3.8 million, base salary $3 million)
10. Orlando Scandrick (cap nunmber $3.78 million, base salary $2 million)

LonghornsLegend 02-11-2013 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BallerT1215 (Post 3271495)
There is literally something always wrong with the guy during the week since his Florida days. Please don't dispute that.

His talent is unbelievable but the guy is getting borderline headcase especially with all these problems with coaches. He also got into a big fight with a position coach at Florida when he was there but urban doesn't bench his stars.

Teams will pause before trading high value and giving him a huge contract, just watch.

None of that changes the fact that you said he's "as injury prone as anyone in the NFL" and I shouldn't have to be the one to explain why that was a ridiculous comment.


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