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Byrd430 02-18-2013 12:47 AM

Ertz vs. Eifert
 
So, who do you guys feel is the better tight end?


I honestly feel like Ertz is the better choice. He gets better separation and works much better in the open field - he's a more dangerous receiver, and their blocking is about the same (I give a slight edge to Eifert). I'm coming very close to ranking Gavin Escobar over Eifert tbh.

Am I wrong for looking down on Eifert?

Monomach 02-18-2013 01:00 AM

I've got Ertz over Eifert, too. I don't have Escobar anywhere near overtaking him, though. I think the gap between the top two and Escobar is pretty decent.

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niel89 02-19-2013 04:50 AM

Give me Ertz. Just a really good all around TE. He knows how to get open and runs good routes. Solid blocker; not the best but you won't have to sub him out on running plays. He really stepped in the the leading role for Stanford this year as a pass catcher. Very comfortable being split out wide and using his body to shield off defenders.

Vs Oregon 2012

K Train 02-19-2013 09:33 AM

ertz is the more explosive player, id say eifert has better hands and jump ball ability

i think jordan reed is #3 over escobar though

Byrd430 02-19-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by K Train (Post 3276568)
ertz is the more explosive player, id say eifert has better hands and jump ball ability

i think jordan reed is #3 over escobar though

Wow, I don't think I've heard this school of thought. What makes Reed #3 iyo?


Personally, I like Escobar, McDonald, and Kelce over Reed - and I'm a Gator fan.

Babylon 02-19-2013 01:01 PM

Wouldn't quibble with either in Seattle so hard to knock either guy. I think the combine might give a little insight as to lateral quickness and strength. If one guy emerges in those areas i'm sure he'll move to the top.

Black Bolt 02-19-2013 01:08 PM

Give me Eifert. better blocker, more physical and you can throw jump balls to him all day long. He's a Heath Miller/Jimmy Graham combo.

Brown Leader 02-19-2013 01:10 PM

Poll?

I like Eifert better. He's nearly as athletic and though they're listed at the same size, he looks bigger and plays more physical to me. He's also got better shiftiness. Ertz reminds me of a clone of Fleener. Eifert has some Witten to him.

wicket 02-19-2013 01:48 PM

Ertz is the slightly superior pure receiver but Eifert can do all the other things, is more physical with the ball in his hands and shows up best in clutch times. Id pick Eifert without a doubt but im about as biased as they come on this subject

holt_bruce81 02-19-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wicket (Post 3276703)
Ertz is the slightly superior pure receiver but Eifert can do all the other things, is more physical with the ball in his hands and shows up best in clutch times. Id pick Eifert without a doubt but im about as biased as they come on this subject

You can say the same thing about Ertz can't ya? I like them both, but I think I'd take Ertz, to me he's the better overall Tight End.

Babylon 02-19-2013 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wicket (Post 3276703)
Ertz is the slightly superior pure receiver but Eifert can do all the other things, is more physical with the ball in his hands and shows up best in clutch times. Id pick Eifert without a doubt but im about as biased as they come on this subject

You're never biased with Notre Dame players, where did you get that idea?:njx:

I think these guys are very close. The offense at Stanford probably showcased Ertz better than what Eifert had going for him with the Irish but it's just in the eye of the beholder who you pick first.

And yeah, for all those picking early in the second round it's a pretty good chance one of these two guys is going to be there.

Forenci 02-19-2013 02:54 PM

I think I'd probably go with Eifert. I just loved his ability to go up and get the ball. Plus I think he's a better blocker (if only slightly).

I really don't think you can go wrong with either player though.

Byrd430 02-19-2013 04:14 PM

Eifert, to me, really lacks the big play ability that Ertz brings to the table - which makes him a pretty average tight end in today's league. If he was a tremendous blocker, I may open up to him more, but he's not, and I'm not sure he'll be a good blocker in the NFL either.

He's a guy who just doesn't wow me. If he's like Jason Witten, then I'll admit that I'm wrong - but I just don't see it, at all.

He may very well become the best TE out of this draft, but that'll be because all the others dropped, not because of his own talent.

Armchair Scout 02-19-2013 04:51 PM

I like Eifert better. Ertz may be more athletic, but Eifert is a better blocker, has more consistent hands, and possesses a superior catching radius. Personally, I think a team would be better suited drafting Sims or McDonald in the 3rd round than taking Ertz or Eifert in the 1st round.

coach4fu 02-19-2013 05:10 PM

They are all chasing this guy...

http://www.gohuskies.com/sports/m-fo..._austin00.html

I know he won't be in draft til next year, but a flat out stud.

rawdawg 02-19-2013 05:32 PM

Ertz looks a little more athletic/agile than Eifert. Looks to be less bulky (negative and a positive for a TE) and can really get down the field and run after the catch. As has been mentioned, that really plays into the big play ability and lack thereof from Eifert.

As for the Eifert/Witten comparison, I can see Eifert in that way as a receiver. I can see him being a bulk receiver catching a ton of passes every year, but not necessarily a huge downfield threat or a redzone monster similar to Witten. Witten is a much better blocker than Eifert ever will be though.

Ertz, I think, has more potential to line up on the outside and put a LB or S on an island and beat him down the field. Won't be a 90-catch target like Witten, but should be able to get his share of big plays and redzone targets.

Shane P. Hallam 02-19-2013 06:00 PM

I'll take Eifert by a pretty good margin myself, I think he may have more short area quickness than Eifert and is a lot smoother of an athlete than Ertz. Ertz is very good, but doesn't bring that physical nature that Eifert has.

Black Bolt 02-19-2013 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam (Post 3277005)
I'll take Eifert by a pretty good margin myself, I think he may have more short area quickness than Eifert and is a lot smoother of an athlete than Ertz. Ertz is very good, but doesn't bring that physical nature that Eifert has.

Agreed, and he is also not as big of a go to redzone threat.

Black Bolt 02-19-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrd430 (Post 3276873)
Eifert, to me, really lacks the big play ability that Ertz brings to the table - which makes him a pretty average tight end in today's league. If he was a tremendous blocker, I may open up to him more, but he's not, and I'm not sure he'll be a good blocker in the NFL either.

He's a guy who just doesn't wow me. If he's like Jason Witten, then I'll admit that I'm wrong - but I just don't see it, at all.

He may very well become the best TE out of this draft, but that'll be because all the others dropped, not because of his own talent.

But, if he proves he is Jason Witten, you wouldn't have any choice but to admit you were wrong. We are talking projections at this point and I understand you like Ertz better. But remember, the very reason Witten dropped to the 3rd round was precisely because he didn't "wow" anyone- but the production and skills were there.

Black Bolt 02-23-2013 01:51 PM

Questions comments?

FUNBUNCHER 02-23-2013 02:01 PM

I like Eifert. ND left plays out on the field last season when Eifert was open. That happens when you're starting an inexperienced QB.

The TE I really think is a darkhorse is UCLA's Joseph Fauria. I don't know why he didn't run at Indy. 6'7, 260# and had a monster season for the Bruins.

Personally I think he should be included with Eifert/Ertz among the top TEs available in this draft.

SchizophrenicBatman 02-23-2013 02:02 PM

T-rex arms vs overrated ND TE number 300?

I'll take neither for $500, Alex.

bucfan12 02-23-2013 02:23 PM

Personally, I think Eifert, Ertz and Escobar are the hands down top 3 TEs in this draft. I like all 3 of these guys to be effective starters and weapons for what ever team drafts them. Late 1st early to mid 2nd I see them being off the board.

Babylon 02-23-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SchizophrenicBatman (Post 3280199)
T-rex arms vs overrated ND TE number 300?

I'll take neither for $500, Alex.

Eifert is being projected as a late first to early second whereas similar players like Todd Heap and Kyle Rudolph went much earlier. Not getting the whole overrated thing. If it's the usual Notre Dame hatred then I guess I see where you're coming from.

SolidGold 02-23-2013 03:19 PM

Eifert/Ertz/McDonald are the top 3 TEs. Not sure where the Eifert hate comes from unless your a biased ND hater. He can split out wide or play inline and block. A really versatile TE that fits the mold.


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