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MI_Buckeye 04-21-2013 11:41 AM

Darrelle Revis Traded to Bucs
 
I would guess this would certainly mean the Jets would get the 13th pick and something else significant.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--so...150815922.html

LonghornsLegend 04-21-2013 11:54 AM

I seen somewhere they could target Geno and Austin with both picks in the 1st round, which if they trade for Ivory I guess makes sense to get the foundation of your offense out of the way. If I were them I'd give Fluker a look with one of those picks, and if I were the Jets I'd have wanted a future 1st more so then one this year but it's still great compensation.

JohnCandy 04-21-2013 11:58 AM

I hate this trade for the Jets.

Trade your best player for unproven picks being made by a first year GM.

brat316 04-21-2013 11:59 AM

It is hard to get great compensation when such a large contact is involved

Robcards 04-21-2013 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnCandy (Post 3337145)
I hate this trade for the Jets.

Trade your best player who you would have to re-sign for a 15mil a year extension and cannot franchise tag next year, and he could say no and test the market anyway and you get nothing for unproven picks being made by a first year GM.

Fixed.

Oh and any GM is > Tannenbaum, first year or not. I don't see how it being his first year should have any impact on whether or not this trade is good.

vidae 04-21-2013 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend (Post 3337140)
I seen somewhere they could target Geno and Austin with both picks in the 1st round, which if they trade for Ivory I guess makes sense to get the foundation of your offense out of the way. If I were them I'd give Fluker a look with one of those picks, and if I were the Jets I'd have wanted a future 1st more so then one this year but it's still great compensation.

I'm not sure the Jets are going to be able to get Geno at 9. If they want to move up to 1 though that's fine with me!

Robcards 04-21-2013 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3337158)
I'm not sure the Jets are going to be able to get Geno at 9. If they want to move up to 1 though that's fine with me!

Keep dreaming. They're looking to move back.

SickwithIt1010 04-21-2013 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robcards (Post 3337160)
Keep dreaming. They're looking to move back.

Everyone is looking to move back. Its not that easy though.

wicket 04-21-2013 12:23 PM

great job by the jets. they are more than 1 year away anyway, might as well go in rebuild mode instead of sitting on an asset with only a few more years of shelf-life anyway.

YoJoeBucsFan 04-21-2013 12:47 PM

Dominik doing his buddy Idzik a solid by helping him. Terrible trade for the Bucs.

Robcards 04-21-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by YoJoeBucsFan (Post 3337193)
Dominik doing his buddy Idzik a solid by helping him. Terrible trade for the Bucs.

Here's the thing. For it to be a bad trade you pretty much need to assume that Revis hits the market in 2014 if the Jets don't trade him, and that no other team would trade for him after the draft if the Bucs were to back out. It would be a bad trade if and only if Revis hits the market in 2014 and the Bucs could have won a bidding war for Revis.

I think if the Bucs don't trade for Revis, the Jets sign him to an extension. Getting a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2015 for the guy would be a huge failure as an organization. Regardless of his high maintenance, you can't just let the guy walk for free, that's why the last contract we had clauses such as him needing to show up to workouts and not being able to holdout. So the idea that 'the Bucs had all the leverage because they were the only ones trying to trade for him' goes out the window, because there is another team involved, the Jets themselves.

Factoring all that in, I think the deal is good for the Bucs, but obviously better for the Jets. We'll just have to see what the additional compensation is and what Revis' contract looks like to really make a final judgment.

jrdrylie 04-21-2013 01:17 PM

Just an absolute terrible trade by the Bucs. Revis is great, but he has been injured multiple times, he is a me first player who seems to only care about his next contract, and who knows how he'll come back from the ACL injury.

Why not stay put and grab Xavier Rhodes. He'll be $12 million per year cheaper, allowing you to sign two or three more quality starters. He younger. And they are also probably giving up a 3rd, which could be turned into a solid contributor. I feel for Greg Schiano, he's going to be going back to the college game in a few years.

Robcards 04-21-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 3337214)
Just an absolute terrible trade by the Bucs. Revis is great, but he has been injured multiple times, he is a me first player who seems to only care about his next contract, and who knows how he'll come back from the ACL injury.

Why not stay put and grab Xavier Rhodes. He'll be $12 million per year cheaper, allowing you to sign two or three more quality starters. He younger. And they are also probably giving up a 3rd, which could be turned into a solid contributor. I feel for Greg Schiano, he's going to be going back to the college game in a few years.

Injured multiple times? Before 2012 he only missed 3 games in 5 years, that's phenomenal. And the Bucs won't make the trade if their doctors tell them his knee won't be 100%.

Because 1st round corners never bust? Even if Rhodes turns out to be good, what are the odds that he'll be better than Revis? Practically zero.

I love how the guy is heralded as the best defensive player in the game but then gets one ACL injury and all of a sudden its horrible to trade the 13th pick for him. He's still only 27 years old. He's still the best corner in the game. Calm down with the Bucs hate.

cmarq83 04-21-2013 01:37 PM

This is a great trade for the Bucs. Players of Revis's caliber don't come along because most management isn't dumb enough to trade away somebody who gives their team an absolute advantage every time they step out onto the field. Teams should be looking to find players like this and desperately hold on to them once they do.

People think way too much about paying a singular non-QB a lot of money. You're going to be able to manage your roster if you continually draft well and say no to the players that aren't worth the money. For the Jets Santonio Holmes and David Harris are the poster children for why the Jets decided to trade Revis. Both are quality starters, but their talents do not fundamentally change the game like Revis's do, and they paid too much for them. So while everyone says you can get 2-3 starters with the money you pay Revis, I'd rather have the talent you can't find anywhere than paying a solid player $5 million when you may be able to find a similar player in the draft or free agency for pennies on the dollar.

The Bucs will be fine if they can successfully draft and develop some quality young players behind the highly paid starters they currently have. If they do so then they simply added the best player in the league at their position of greatest need. They added one of the 15 best players in the NFL for a relatively low price.

jrdrylie 04-21-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards (Post 3337221)
Injured multiple times? Before 2012 he only missed 3 games in 5 years, that's phenomenal. And the Bucs won't make the trade if their doctors tell them his knee won't be 100%.

Because 1st round corners never bust? Even if Rhodes turns out to be good, what are the odds that he'll be better than Revis? Practically zero.

I love how the guy is heralded as the best defensive player in the game but then gets one ACL injury and all of a sudden its horrible to trade the 13th pick for him. He's still only 27 years old. He's still the best corner in the game. Calm down with the Bucs hate.

Yes, he held out and injured his hamstring. He came back and he injured it again. Then he tore his knee up. There are three injuries, which is multiple.

Will Rhodes be better than Revis? Probably not. But Rhodes, a third round pick, another pick (fifth round?), and $12 million dollars per year? Yeah, I'll take that over Revis any day of the week.

He is one of the top defensive players in the game (I won't say top, I prefer pass rushers because you can just throw away from a corner), but he is five years older and coming off a serious injury. Will he be back to his same level of play?

But my biggest thing is his me-first attitude. He holds out in 2010. Fine, I get that. You are on your rookie contract. But just two years after signing a 4-year, $32 million deal, he threatens to hold out again. Tampa will sign him to a big deal ($15 million is just ridiculous, but if they want to give it to him whatever). Then some other defensive player signs a $17 million a year deal in 2014. Wouldn't be surprised to see Revis hold out again wanting to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.

WCH 04-21-2013 01:48 PM

I pretty much agree with jr. I'd also say that while Revis is very easily and clearly the best CB in the NFL, the "Revis Island" thing is mostly media hype. He gets plenty of Safety help.

bucfan12 04-21-2013 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3337158)
I'm not sure the Jets are going to be able to get Geno at 9. If they want to move up to 1 though that's fine with me!

Honestly, if Philly doesn't take him, who does? I see a draft day fall for him.

I think Cleveland likes EJ Manuel better and rumor has it, Atlanta could be targeting the 6th pick to get Milliner, as they love him and see him as an elite prospect.
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Buffalo likes Barkely and Nassib better. I think Geno is a Jet.

jrdrylie 04-21-2013 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucfan12 (Post 3337240)
Honestly, if Philly doesn't take him, who does? I see a draft day fall for him.

I think Cleveland likes EJ Manuel better and rumor has it, Atlanta could be targeting the 6th pick to get Milliner, as they love him and see him as an elite prospect.
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Buffalo likes Barkely and Nassib better. I think Geno is a Jet.

The Jaguars are taking Geno.

bucfan12 04-21-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 3337241)
The Jaguars are taking Geno.

What part of smoke screen don't you understand/

cmarq83 04-21-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 3337233)
Yes, he held out and injured his hamstring. He came back and he injured it again. Then he tore his knee up. There are three injuries, which is multiple.

Will Rhodes be better than Revis? Probably not. But Rhodes, a third round pick, another pick (fifth round?), and $12 million dollars per year? Yeah, I'll take that over Revis any day of the week.

He is one of the top defensive players in the game (I won't say top, I prefer pass rushers because you can just throw away from a corner), but he is five years older and coming off a serious injury. Will he be back to his same level of play?

But my biggest thing is his me-first attitude. He holds out in 2010. Fine, I get that. You are on your rookie contract. But just two years after signing a 4-year, $32 million deal, he threatens to hold out again. Tampa will sign him to a big deal ($15 million is just ridiculous, but if they want to give it to him whatever). Then some other defensive player signs a $17 million a year deal in 2014. Wouldn't be surprised to see Revis hold out again wanting to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.

I'll take the guy who works hard and cares about winning even if he's a pain in the ass about his contract. He's actually a pretty solid leader even if he wants to make sure that he gets every cent that he can.

I also highly doubt if Revis gets a big contract he'll hold out again. He's held out twice, and both times he was fairly justified to hold out. The first time he was under drafted comparatively to his talents so he leveraged that into getting a bit more money which it turns out he was worth, and the second time he was woefully underpaid. He threatened to hold out a 3rd time, but he ultimately never did.

WCH 04-21-2013 01:53 PM

I think the Jags interest in Geno could be pretty legit. They've got the owner's son trying to do this moneyball jazz, and Geno comes out looking pretty good statistically. Also, Blaine Gabbert is obviously the worst starter in the NFL and the new regime probably wants to replace him ASAP.

stlouisfan37 04-21-2013 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmarq83 (Post 3337232)
This is a great trade for the Bucs. Players of Revis's caliber don't come along because most management isn't dumb enough to trade away somebody who gives their team an absolute advantage every time they step out onto the field. Teams should be looking to find players like this and desperately hold on to them once they do.

People think way too much about paying a singular non-QB a lot of money. You're going to be able to manage your roster if you continually draft well and say no to the players that aren't worth the money. For the Jets Santonio Holmes and David Harris are the poster children for why the Jets decided to trade Revis. Both are quality starters, but their talents do not fundamentally change the game like Revis's do, and they paid too much for them. So while everyone says you can get 2-3 starters with the money you pay Revis, I'd rather have the talent you can't find anywhere than paying a solid player $5 million when you may be able to find a similar player in the draft or free agency for pennies on the dollar.

The Bucs will be fine if they can successfully draft and develop some quality young players behind the highly paid starters they currently have. If they do so then they simply added the best player in the league at their position of greatest need. They added one of the 15 best players in the NFL for a relatively low price.

I agreed with most of what you said up until the end...let me assure you, there will be nothing cheap about trading for Darelle Revis. Not having the picks will stunt the building of your team, and the contract will be huge. The Bucs just haven't had salary cap issues to speak of. But wait a couple years until it's time to start re-signing your core players and see how much it sucks to have that $16 million on your cap chart. Oh, not to mention his upcoming holdout in 2016...he's going to want $21 mil a year. And he will get it. Somehow he always does.

Robcards 04-21-2013 03:51 PM

From rotoworld:

Buccaneers acquired CB Darrelle Revis from the Jets in exchange for the No. 13 overall pick and undisclosed compensation in the 2014 draft.
Revis' agent announced on Twitter that his client has agreed to terms with Tampa Bay, finalizing the trade and his new contract. Coming off a torn ACL, Revis passed his Bucs physical -- after passing a Jets physical with flying colors last week -- and remains on track to return at full speed before training camp. We'll have full trade compensation and Revis' contract details in a future blurb. But neither side is turning back now. It's a done deal.

Robcards 04-21-2013 03:55 PM

Sooo everyone saying how this was a bad deal for the Bucs, where you at now:

"Bucs signed CB Darrelle Revis to a new six-year contract that makes him the highest paid defensive back in NFL history, but includes ZERO guaranteed money."

No guaranteed money and the additional compensation? A 2014 conditional 4th rounder. Wow. Not so sure this was a particularly good deal for the Jets now I would've loved to have extended his contract if it was 0 guaranteed money.

SunTzu_22 04-21-2013 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robcards (Post 3337318)
Sooo everyone saying how this was a bad deal for the Bucs, where you at now:

"Bucs signed CB Darrelle Revis to a new six-year contract that makes him the highest paid defensive back in NFL history, but includes ZERO guaranteed money."

No guaranteed money and the additional compensation? A 2014 conditional 4th rounder. Wow. Not so sure this was a particularly good deal for the Jets now I would've loved to have extended his contract if it was 0 guaranteed money.

W.T.F.... Didnt see that coming.


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