Originally Posted by Iamcanadian
If Cooper or Warmack are better pros than Iupati, they will have to put them in the HOF today. Face it guys, they haven't played a down at the next level and your comparing them to the best in the NFL. Right now Cooper and Warmack = potential but no substance, Iupati = substance with potential realized.
I love the potential of Cooper and Warmack but if I had my choice today, I'd take Iupati every day of the week.
First things first. This is, as your usual, a very stupid post. I won't even address the first and last parts of your comment. Well, I guess I just did.
The only reason Iupati didn't go higher in the draft was because he played for a small school and that will always drop you on draft day.
Iupati went in the Top 20. And for an offensive guard, that alone is uncommon. You have to be regarded as a potential All-Pro to go that high in the draft at that position. We're seeing more and more interior linemen go in the first round, but the Top 20 is usually reserved for, maybe, one interior linemen every draft.
So he didn't "drop" or fall on draft day, or really go any lower than he should have. He had elite potential. Iupati was very raw coming out of a small school. Yes he had overwhelming strength and power at the point of attack, but he had heavy feet and isn't all that great in space. He was more scheme specific. And he went to the ideal situation. If we remember, Iupati looked average at the Senior Bowl. His poor technique was exposed and he did a lot of grabbing / holding. He wasn't expected to come out and dominate from week one. Both Cooper and Warmack are more advanced when it comes to technique, but neither can come in and dominant an opposing linemen with brute strength from day one like Iupati could.
Iupati was going to be a solid pro from the get go, and an immediate starter because of his power. Its very rare for college players to hold up from a strength perspective in their rookie season. Even Suh struggled at the point of attack as a rookie despite having a great rookie campaign and being incredibly strong for a college player. But it was believed that Iupati was going to be inconsistent and struggle with speed, quickness and technicians. There was also concerns over coaching due to a language barrier. His career has unfolded exactly how most thought it would. Solid pro early who could develop into the premier offensive guard in the league within four years. And that's exactly what he's on pace for.
As much as I like Warmack and Cooper, I don't think either of them have the potential that Iupati possessed (that kind of rare Larry Allen-esque strength that just doesn't come around every year), but they could both be just as good as rookies and second year players.
I really liked David DeCastro and Kevin Zeitler last year. I think those two are just as good as Warmack / Cooper. 2012 had a ton of star power at the top with two elite QBs, a third QB that was pushed up into the Top 10, an elite OT, etc. 2013 didn't have the star power at the top, which is why the OGs went higher than normal.
The Pouncey brothers were just as good of prospects coming out. Ben Grubbs / Arron Sears as well. So I don't think any of these prospects were special in the sense that people say they're the best guard prospect in the last decade, but they were all worthy of Top 15 selections. It's just now becoming accepted for interior linemen to go that high because of those mid to late first round successes before them.
Originally Posted by Swoll_Cat
As far as a prospective grade is concerned, how does jcooper compare to iupati? cooper is an incredible talent and is just as intelligent as the next draft prospective is concerned. while cooper was the first G selected in the single digits, how does he compare to iupati? do the cardinals and other draft guru's expect to be as good if not better than iupati?
I do think Cooper can be just as good as Iupati was during his first two years, but I don't think he has the same kind of potential long term. Cooper played way under 300 pounds for the last couple years so it will be interesting to see how his movement skills diminish with the added weight. His strength at the point of attack is vastly inferior than what Iupati possessed. If Cooper develops into a guy that goes to a handful of Pro Bowls, then the Cardinals should be happy, regardless, if he ever turns into an All-Pro. This isn't a bad selection like the Levi Brown pick was when Adrian Peterson was on the board. They could take Cooper at 7 because there was no Adrian Peterson type prospect in this draft. Warmack comes better to Iupati because they are more similar players. Those guys are better with wham blocks, combination blocks with your typical man-on-man, move people off the ball type blocking. That isn't Cooper's strength. He works better with angles and shielding lanes. His strength was working in space at the second level.