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J-Mike88 05-21-2013 11:14 PM

History Lesson: 1984 Dan Marino
 
Was looking back at the recent NFL record books, QBs..... Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees.......

To be honest, I don't think any of them compare to this season.

The previous record was 36 for a season. Marino put up 48 on the board.
Do the math.... that's like shattering it, by 33% right?

This is a really cool video clip from 1984 for any oldies who might remember some of it, and all the youngsters who never got to see him, just saw some highlights. Take a look......... Well worth your time.


Lost in the shuffle, youngsters, watch some film here of the best pure passer in NFL history. Just watch.

Sportsfan486 05-21-2013 11:46 PM

I always thought Marino had the best release and pure arm of any QB, ever. I still feel that way. It's a bummer he never won a Super Bowl or he'd be ranked much higher on people's list of best players of all time; fair or not, his legacy is tainted by not winning a ring.

J-Mike88 05-22-2013 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sportsfan486 (Post 3369709)
I always thought Marino had the best release and pure arm of any QB, ever. I still feel that way. It's a bummer he never won a Super Bowl or he'd be ranked much higher on people's list of best players of all time; fair or not, his legacy is tainted by not winning a ring.

True, although I think "his legacy" is pretty damn good/high.

Looking at those highlights, as well as the highlights of the greatest Monday Night game ever, 1985 Chicago @ Miami, and the 1984 playoff game Pittsburgh vs Miami, it showed that Marino was often pressured big time, early & often. He didn't often have a nice pocket.
I don't think any of today's QBs, even Rodgers who gets sacked 50 times a year, would have ever racked up stats close to that Marino when having to backpeddle and throw of the back foot all the time as I saw in many of those highlights.

Caulibflower 05-22-2013 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88 (Post 3369696)
Was looking back at the recent NFL record books, QBs..... Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees.......

To be honest, I don't think any of them compare to this season.

The previous record was 36 for a season. Marino put up 48 on the board.
Do the math.... that's like shattering it, by 33% right?

This is a really cool video clip from 1984 for any oldies who might remember some of it, and all the youngsters who never got to see him, just saw some highlights. Take a look......... Well worth your time.


The record of 36 was set when a season was 14 games. Marino did hit 37 in his 14th game of the season, though. (...and 38, and 39, and 40)

Denver Bronco56 05-22-2013 08:18 AM

Im not sure if anyone of you have seen the ESPN 30 for 30: Elway to Marino. But it not only highlights those two guys, it is a very good film and has alot of behind the scene stuff that i had never known (Walsh wanted Elway, and was willing to trade Montana to acquire him) It really breaks down the whole 83' class as a whole and really good.

J-Mike88 05-22-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Denver Bronco56 (Post 3369750)
Im not sure if anyone of you have seen the ESPN 30 for 30: Elway to Marino. But it not only highlights those two guys, it is a very good film and has alot of behind the scene stuff that i had never known (Walsh wanted Elway, and was willing to trade Montana to acquire him) It really breaks down the whole 83' class as a whole and really good.

Yeah that show was awesome.... the draft broadcast itself was so small-time, poorly-produced.

Ness 05-22-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Denver Bronco56 (Post 3369750)
Im not sure if anyone of you have seen the ESPN 30 for 30: Elway to Marino. But it not only highlights those two guys, it is a very good film and has alot of behind the scene stuff that i had never known (Walsh wanted Elway, and was willing to trade Montana to acquire him) It really breaks down the whole 83' class as a whole and really good.

That was only Elway's agent's statement regarding Montana though. Ernie Accorsi said that Walsh had no intentions of trading Montana. And that wouldn't make sense in the first place seeing as Joe was still young and the 49ers had just won the Super Bowl a couple of years back. Montana actually had a good year himself even though the 49ers missed the playoffs. The defense was inconsistent.

I got the feeling that tidbit was exaggerated for the sake of the program, which had a good amount of conflicting information from the people that were interviewed.

bigbluedefense 05-22-2013 10:03 AM

Dan Marino is the best thrower the game has ever seen. What I mean by that is, no one had a more complete package as a thrower as him. He had the fastest release, incredible arm strength, incredible accuracy, he was so tough to blitz bc he got the ball out so damn fast it was unbelievable.

He really was ahead of his time. If he played in today's era he'd shatter records. His legacy is defined by the fact that he never won a SB and bc of that he can never be considered the GOAT. I always wondered how different his legacy would be if he ever won one.

As a pure thrower, he was the best ever. Of course, playing qb is more than that, but man was he awesome.

JHL6719 05-22-2013 10:18 AM

The thing about Marino was that, not only was his release literally lightning quick, but pay attention to how quick his feet were. This is the most underrated and most non-talked about aspect of Marino's greatness. Those feet helped him evade the rush many a time.

Furthermore, this guy is one of the most ferocious competitors that have ever stood on the gridiron. I'll never forget watching an older Marino grab Greg Lloyd by his jersey while laying on the ground.

The rules of the game today almost lend itself to 5,000 yard seasons by QB's. But Marino's will always be the best.

I think it was Rod Woodson that said Marino would amass 100,000 yards in today's NFL.

WCH 05-22-2013 10:42 AM

I think that the story about Walsh wanting Elway seems pretty plausible. Elway would probably be the undisputed GOAT if he had played for those 49er teams and been brought along by Bill Walsh. That system would have been such a great fit for Elway. Plus, it was at a time when Montana had an alleged cocaine addiction.

FUNBUNCHER 05-22-2013 10:51 AM

I still was blown away in that 30 for 30 segment how close Marino came to becoming a Steeler. Draft rumors about drug use literally changed the destiny of multiple NFL franchises.

bigbluedefense 05-22-2013 11:05 AM

The Steelers would probably have around 9 superbowls if Marino went there.

Babylon 05-22-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 3369846)
I still was blown away in that 30 for 30 segment how close Marino came to becoming a Steeler. Draft rumors about drug use literally changed the destiny of multiple NFL franchises.

that Ken Obrien pick instead of Marino was the one that blew my mind.

I couldn't for the life of me understand the whole things because Marino was clearly the second best QB behind Elway. There was always the marijuana rumor but even that was never verified. today they'd give the guy the keys to the city if that was his only flaw.

boknows34 05-22-2013 12:37 PM

The USFL didn't doubt Marino. He was their first ever number one overall pick.

FUNBUNCHER 05-22-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 3369899)
that Ken Obrien pick instead of Marino was the one that blew my mind.

I couldn't for the life of me understand the whole things because Marino was clearly the second best QB behind Elway. There was always the marijuana rumor but even that was never verified. today they'd give the guy the keys to the city if that was his only flaw.

It wasn't a pot rumor that dogged Marino. NFL personnel execs were afraid he was a cokehead.

I think cocaine use was becoming one of those open secret problems creeping into many lockerrooms at the time and teams just didn't do that good a job scouting Marrino they way they should have.

What could have been.

J-Mike88 05-22-2013 12:45 PM

Good stuff from you guys. I agree with BigBlueDefense, best passer ever.

Did you guys watch that video above? Pretty damn impressive.

Ness 05-22-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WCH (Post 3369838)
I think that the story about Walsh wanting Elway seems pretty plausible. Elway would probably be the undisputed GOAT if he had played for those 49er teams and been brought along by Bill Walsh. That system would have been such a great fit for Elway. Plus, it was at a time when Montana had an alleged cocaine addiction.

I'm sure he kicked the tires in jest, but I doubt he was serious, which is why it didn't happen.

LOL at that bogus cocaine rumor. Tis' the offseason.

boknows34 05-22-2013 01:45 PM

Ron Wolf said the Raiders made a bad, bad mistake not taking Marino because they all believed all the rumours were true and he wasn't one of the 3 players they considered with the 26th pick. They took a center Don Mosebar with the pick before Miami and won Super Bowl 18 later that year with an old Jim Plunkett at QB and a team featuring Marcus Allen, Howie Long, Ted Hendricks, Mike Haynes and Lester Hayes.

Martin Demoff, the agent for both Marino and Elway, said that if Al Davis had spent his usual amount of time researching the draft instead of inside a court room suing the NFL he's pretty sure he would've taken Marino.

Al Davis also blamed Pete Rozelle for blackballing a potential trade with Chicago that would've given the Raiders the assets they needed to strike a deal with the Colts and select Elway. Colts GM Ernie Accorsi told the Raiders he didn't want to trade down any further than Chicago's 6th pick. The Raiders then engaged in trade talks with the Bears that would've involved sending Howie Long plus another player to Chicago for the 6th pick, which they'd then package with other draft picks for Elway. Accorsi would then take Marino at 6 for the Colts.

In the 30 for 30, Demoff said a deal had been agreed between the Raiders and Chicago but it suddenly vanished after the NFL office contacted the Bears to confirm if the trade was true. When Demoff called the Bears to ask what was happening they told him they was no trade and would no longer engage in talks with the Raiders. Perhaps Davis wasn't so paranoid after all? Ron Wolf certainly blamed Rozelle in the documentary for putting the 'kabosh' on the deal. Said Demoff: ''Al wasn't paranoid regarding this. He was more likely accurate.''

Elway to the Raiders, Marino a Baltimore Colt and Howie Long on the '85 Bears is another fascinating 'What Could've Been.'

I think Marino could throw for 6,000 yds in today's NFL. That equates to 375 yds per game.

bigbluedefense 05-22-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88 (Post 3369925)
Good stuff from you guys. I agree with BigBlueDefense, best passer ever.

Did you guys watch that video above? Pretty damn impressive.

To be clear, I'm saying he's the best thrower to ever play the game, not the best qb ever.

But my god it was a thing of beauty watching him throw the ball. That release was just incredible.

Ness 05-22-2013 01:59 PM

Warren Moon had the best looking spiral doe! :cj:

nobodyinparticular 05-22-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by boknows34 (Post 3370013)
Ron Wolf said the Raiders made a bad, bad mistake not taking Marino because they all believed all the rumours were true and he wasn't one of the 3 players they considered with the 26th pick. They took a center Don Mosebar with the pick before Miami and won Super Bowl 18 later that year with an old Jim Plunkett at QB and a team featuring Marcus Allen, Howie Long, Ted Hendricks, Mike Haynes and Lester Hayes.

Martin Demoff, the agent for both Marino and Elway, said that if Al Davis had spent his usual amount of time researching the draft instead of inside a court room suing the NFL he's pretty sure he would've taken Marino.

Al Davis also blamed Pete Rozelle for blackballing a potential trade with Chicago that would've given the Raiders the assets they needed to strike a deal with the Colts and select Elway. Colts GM Ernie Accorsi told the Raiders he didn't want to trade down any further than Chicago's 6th pick. The Raiders then engaged in trade talks with the Bears that would've involved sending Howie Long plus another player to Chicago for the 6th pick, which they'd then package with other draft picks for Elway. Accorsi would then take Marino at 6 for the Colts.

In the 30 for 30, Demoff said a deal had been agreed between the Raiders and Chicago but it suddenly vanished after the NFL office contacted the Bears to confirm if the trade was true. When Demoff called the Bears to ask what was happening they told him they was no trade and would no longer engage in talks with the Raiders. Perhaps Davis wasn't so paranoid after all? Ron Wolf certainly blamed Rozelle in the documentary for putting the 'kabosh' on the deal. Said Demoff: ''Al wasn't paranoid regarding this. He was more likely accurate.''

Elway to the Raiders, Marino a Baltimore Colt and Howie Long on the '85 Bears is another fascinating 'What Could've Been.'

I think Marino could throw for 6,000 yds in today's NFL. That equates to 375 yds per game.

Oh man. Could you imagine? Rl ways in Silver and Black? No Schroeder, no Wilson, no Marinovich, no George. Elway to Brown for touchdown.

Elway, Allen, Jackson (later). What an offense.

flave1969 05-22-2013 04:16 PM

I often wonder what would the Redskins have done had Miami passed. Marino in Joe Gibbs offense with Monk, Clark and Sanders would have been beautiful to see. We did get Darrell Green so it worked out well.

Monomach 05-22-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by flave1969 (Post 3370207)
I often wonder what would the Redskins have done had Miami passed. Marino in Joe Gibbs offense with Monk, Clark and Sanders would have been beautiful to see. We did get Darrell Green so it worked out well.

I doubt very much that they'd have taken him. Coming off of that super bowl win, I remember Joe Thiesmann being one of the best-entrenched starters in the league at that time.

Denver Bronco56 05-22-2013 04:29 PM

While im still partial to Elway over Marino.


I will say what Marino did in 1984 was/will be the most impressive in terms of yards in a season, considering the rules in place today that aid the offence and the receivers so much, he was able to hit the 5000 yard mark with the DBs being able to do whatever they wanted for the most part to the WRs. Making his performance that much more impressive when compared to Brees or any other QB that has come close or passed what Marino did.

Monomach 05-22-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 3370030)
To be clear, I'm saying he's the best thrower to ever play the game, not the best qb ever.

But my god it was a thing of beauty watching him throw the ball. That release was just incredible.

I can get behind this. Best thrower...with Pey-Pey as the best QB I've ever seen in the many years I've been watching.


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