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Caulibflower 09-01-2013 08:20 PM

Tajh Boyd or Braxton Miller?
 
When I look at both of these players I see some pretty striking similarities although they certainly have some significant differences in their profiles as prospects. They're both well-built but on the relatively short side, and have plus athleticism and strong arms. I also have seen both of them make some really accurate passes on the move which is necessary for athletic, improvisational players, as both of them are.

Obviously, Miller is the "rawer" of the two, but he also has higher athletic ability and hasn't had the same level of development since he plays for Urban Meyer and Meyer likes to use his quarterbacks like running backs. Miller doesn't make nearly the reads that Boyd does, but he's also got the requisite toughness and composure to make plays under duress and the projection with him is to whether he can digest an NFL playbook and grow to understand and react to the complexity of NFL defenses. Tajh has a leg up on him here, but I also think he's more of a finished product at this point and the way he plays now is probably going to basically be his NFL style as well. Boyd has nice mobility, but won't really be a running threat in the NFL, while I think Miller can be. I've been seeing some Miller love around here lately, and I like Boyd myself. Aside from the preliminary thoughts I've written above, I'm interested in what people think about both of them and how they compare. Basically, for me it amounts to a comparison of two prospects who would both make sense for NFL offenses which benefit from a QB having good mobility and the ability to make deep vertical throws, with Boyd being the more polished player but Miller perhaps having greater potential in that he has superior athleticism and has more room to gain from NFL coaching.

norcalgsr 09-02-2013 01:20 AM

Braxton Miller will not be a starting QB in the NFL.

Cigaro 09-02-2013 05:45 AM

Tajh, easily. I'm not even particularly a big fan of Tajh, but Miller's another Tebow. Raw athletic talent that can dominate on the collegiate level, but will never have the technical skill to perform as a pro. Tajh certainly benefits from Chad Morris' system, but at the same time he also has a natural passing talent that certainly surpasses Miller's.

FUNBUNCHER 09-02-2013 06:37 AM

Bad comparison for Miller.

IMO there's at least 4-5 rounds separating Boyd and Miller.
I don't see future NFL starter in Braxton Miller, unlike Tajh Boyd.

Jcn92 09-02-2013 02:57 PM

Tajh was easily the pick for me as he comes across as much more of a refined passer than Miller. I've never really seen Miller show the ability to sit in the pocket and pass, I think his greatest trait is his escapability which comes from his athleticism. Boyd seems like more of a true QB to me.

descendency 09-02-2013 03:00 PM

Boyd, and I don't even like him.

BallerT1215 09-02-2013 03:08 PM

Boyd by a large margin, and I still think he has a lot to improve on in the passing game.

MassNole 09-02-2013 03:15 PM

Neither will be more than an average backup in the NFL.

Caulibflower 09-02-2013 05:14 PM

Nobody's willing to go out on a limb at all, eh? I suppose that's to be expected.

If I wanted a guy to play for me tomorrow, it's obviously Boyd. I like Boyd, and think he'd have been the first quarterback taken in this year's draft if he'd declared.

But I think Braxton Miller has a lot on common with RGIII, Cam Newton and EJ Manuel. Those are the players who he makes me think of. I also think he's much less developed than any of them, but I don't necessarily think that means he can't be developed into a dangerous player. I think he might be a more natural runner than all of them, with Cam benefitting from his huge size and RGIII his top-end speed. Ohio State's offense sucks for trying to evaluate a quarterback, but I've seen him make some pretty difficult throws. His arm is strong enough. He's much more of a quarterback prospect than Denard Robinson was. I think when I watch him I see more things that I like than I did watching Terrell Pryor, which, whether or not you think he was overrated, is an underlying thought I have which makes me want to entertain this question.

BallerT1215 09-02-2013 05:30 PM

I just really don't like Miller as a pro prospect. All summer we had to hear about how he has improved as a passer and that he is working on his throwing, but it still looked below average. I know he is an athlete and he makes plays on the field, but he just doesn't do it for me.

SchizophrenicBatman 09-02-2013 05:42 PM

I'll take neither

shylo3716 09-02-2013 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caulibflower (Post 3436587)
Nobody's willing to go out on a limb at all, eh? I suppose that's to be expected.

If I wanted a guy to play for me tomorrow, it's obviously Boyd. I like Boyd, and think he'd have been the first quarterback taken in this year's draft if he'd declared.

But I think Braxton Miller has a lot on common with RGIII, Cam Newton and EJ Manuel. Those are the players who he makes me think of. I also think he's much less developed than any of them, but I don't necessarily think that means he can't be developed into a dangerous player. I think he might be a more natural runner than all of them, with Cam benefitting from his huge size and RGIII his top-end speed. Ohio State's offense sucks for trying to evaluate a quarterback, but I've seen him make some pretty difficult throws. His arm is strong enough. He's much more of a quarterback prospect than Denard Robinson was. I think when I watch him I see more things that I like than I did watching Terrell Pryor, which, whether or not you think he was overrated, is an underlying thought I have which makes me want to entertain this question.

It's very obvious in recent history that NFL GMs are going for those dual threat/read option guys.

MassNole 09-02-2013 07:10 PM

I'll give Tahj Boyd this, if you could put his brain in E.J. Manuel's body you'd have a QB on par with Andrew Luck or RG3.

Caulibflower 09-02-2013 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MassNole (Post 3436632)
I'll give Tahj Boyd this, if you could put his brain in E.J. Manuel's body you'd have a QB on par with Andrew Luck or RG3.

I dunno, I really like Boyd's athletic ability and I don't think his size is a problem.

norcalgsr 09-03-2013 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caulibflower (Post 3436830)
I dunno, I really like Boyd's athletic ability and I don't think his size is a problem.

It says more about Manuel than Boyd.

norcalgsr 09-03-2013 02:33 AM

Braxton Miller = Tyrod Taylor.

FUNBUNCHER 09-03-2013 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norcalgsr (Post 3436860)
Braxton Miller = Tyrod Taylor.

Tyrod Taylor was a much better passer at Va Tech than Miller is for the Buckeyes.
Tyrod in fact might be the best passing QB to ever play for the Hokies.

Braxton Miller is all potential at this point, and that's being generous.

Guys like Troy Smith and Taylor were actually very good passing college QBs.
Braxton Miller isn't on their level.

shylo3716 09-03-2013 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norcalgsr (Post 3436860)
Braxton Miller = Tyrod Taylor.

Been saying this for the longest. :cj:

shylo3716 09-03-2013 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 3436868)
Tyrod Taylor was a much better passer at Va Tech than Miller is for the Buckeyes.
Tyrod in fact might be the best passing QB to ever play for the Hokies.

Braxton Miller is all potential at this point, and that's being generous.

Guys like Troy Smith and Taylor were actually very good passing college QBs.
Braxton Miller isn't on their level.

1 does not have to be an exact replica of a player to be consider for comparison. His style of play does it for me.

MassNole 09-03-2013 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 3436868)
Tyrod Taylor was a much better passer at Va Tech than Miller is for the Buckeyes.
Tyrod in fact might be the best passing QB to ever play for the Hokies.

Braxton Miller is all potential at this point, and that's being generous.

Guys like Troy Smith and Taylor were actually very good passing college QBs.
Braxton Miller isn't on their level.

Maybe statistically that is true, but from what I've seen that honor goes to Jim Druckenmiller from the mid-90's.


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