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draftguru151 09-10-2013 11:04 AM

Oklahoma State cheats in a bunch of different ways
 
SI releasing it in a nice 5 part series to maximize page views, first up, Oklahoma State paying players.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/col...-part-1-money/

JoeJoeBrown 09-10-2013 11:47 AM

Does he have actual proof? I refuse to read Dohrmann.

Dohrmann likes to write hit pieces with unnamed sources and damning allegations with very tenuous evidence, if any at all.

After his ******** wrt Ohio State, I'm ignoring anything he does until it's vetted by others.

draftguru151 09-10-2013 12:11 PM

Lot of quotes from named players in there.

BallerT1215 09-10-2013 01:10 PM

Well....the payments didn't get them much.

Jcn92 09-10-2013 04:06 PM

I haven't read the story yet, I'm not sure I will because what news is it breaking? If a reporter investigated 50% of the BCS conference schools I bet they would find stories just like this. Boosters paying students, hostesses having sex with recruits, we've seen this at other schools before and now it's just getting old.

My other problem with the story is that one of the authors of piece is Thayer Evans who has a history of being on the wrong side of journalism ethics. He took it upon himself in 2010 to start a campaign to not give Cam Newton the Heisman which was pretty much just a character assassination. Before that he published an article in the New York Times following the recruitment of Jamarkus McFarland. The article contained some things that were not true and was pretty much just a giant smear job of the University of Texas. Now it should come as no surprise that Thayer Evans is an Oklahoma graduate and has a history of smearing his school's rivals. That's why I have a problem with this series. Jason Whitlock put it really well in a radio interview.

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ď Ö Thereís some cute girl on campus who is a hostess who may have slept with one of these players. This has been going on for years and it goes on in the frathouses and the academic corruption they are going to talk about goes on in the frathouses and all across campus. We are singling out these athletes. Itís a good story. It will get you a promotion. It will get you on SportsCenter. It will get you talked about on this radio show and all over Twitter. But itís bogus. Itís a trick for clicks.
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ď Ö The story to me, from everything I have heard ... it just seems so suspect. If thatís the standard, itís he-said, she-said. If you can say this booster walked up to me and gave me $500 in the locker room and you donít have to name that booster, this story could be done at Ball State. It could be done at Rutgers. It could be done at UCLA. It could be done anywhere.
Rather than investigating the NCAA and why it seems there are so many of these scandals, Thayer Evans takes it upon himself to be the NCAA's hall monitor and investigate non stories.

gpngc 09-10-2013 05:41 PM

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One of the signature moments of Gundy's nine seasons as coach came in September 2007, when he staunchly defended quarterback Bobby Reid at a postgame press conference. A columnist for The Oklahoman had questioned Reid's maturity, and Gundy responded by shouting at the writer, "He's not a professional athlete, and he doesn't deserve to be kicked when he's down."
LOL good one SI.

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Early in his first season Shaw says he went to Miles and told him he needed a car to get to his classes. Shaw says Miles replied, "I can lead you to where you can get some help." Shortly after, Shaw says, he was introduced to Kay Norris, an Oklahoma State graduate affectionately called Momma Norris, who ran the school's athletic museum on campus, Heritage Hall. Shaw says that whenever he needed money while in Stillwater he called her. He says that Norris paid him $400 to take a Christmas tree out of her attic, and that numerous times she paid him $700 to clean the floorboards of rental houses. "I was there about an hour," Shaw says of each cleaning job.
On one hand, that's a pretty incriminating quote.

On the other hand, he's not directly acknowledging anything besides helping a student athlete get a job - regardless of what that "job" entails, Miles can't be crucified.

And the "jobs" that pay these kids insane amounts for little or no work can't be questioned. Employees can pay employers whatever they want. I don't know, that part seems like a dead end for the NCAA. The NCAA can't start policing wages for each University student position - athlete or not.

What really matters in this story is the envelope and pay-for-play stuff. That's just stupid.

I have a silly question. What is a booster exactly? Are they recognized as a part of a University booster club and therefore officially associated with the program, or are they just off-campus alumnus who pay the athletes because it's in the best interest of their beloved school? If the latter, there's literally nothing that can be done.

Pat Sims 90 09-10-2013 05:46 PM

I am wondering if this all comes out to be the truth then How much does the NCAA investigate LSU now.

JRTPlaya21 09-10-2013 07:11 PM

Probably not at all. I don't really think you need to pay players to go there.

draftguru151 09-10-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JRTPlaya21 (Post 3443853)
Probably not at all. I don't really think you need to pay players to go there.

Patrick Johnson lol'd.

D-Unit 09-10-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151 (Post 3443560)
SI releasing it in a nice 5 part series to maximize page views, first up, Oklahoma State paying players.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/col...-part-1-money/

I bet Dez Bryant cashed in big time.

BallerT1215 09-10-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151 (Post 3443891)
Patrick Johnson lol'd.

Still bitter about that one DG??

Blame Randy for that one.

ncst8fan83 09-10-2013 09:18 PM

If nothing happened to UNC, nothing will happen to Okie State. Just refuse to talk, hide behind lawyers, and you'll just get a slap on the wrist.

brat316 09-10-2013 09:20 PM

how about a story on why the ncaa is garbage at handing out punishments?

JoeJoeBrown 09-10-2013 09:21 PM

whitlock destroys Thayer Evans and the article.

Pretty much applies to Dohrmann to a lesser extent. He completely made up **** about Ohio state that went nowhere. Similar stuff here from what I skimmed.

Also, Whitlock brings up a great point. It's about time we start digging into the corrupt NCAA etc.

mqtirishfan 09-10-2013 09:45 PM

Part 4: The Sex

It's cheating for chicks to **** football players?

draftguru151 09-10-2013 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BallerT1215 (Post 3443976)
Still bitter about that one DG??

Blame Randy for that one.

Um, he got paid, nothing to be bitter about.

Bert Macklin 09-10-2013 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151 (Post 3443891)
Patrick Johnson lol'd.

And Dwayne Bowe. Don't forget Bowe.

iowatreat54 09-11-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mqtirishfan (Post 3444019)
Part 4: The Sex

It's cheating for chicks to **** football players?

Eh, that might get a little dicier. If the girls were employed by the university as like a welcome group or something for potential freshmen, and were at any time either trained/encouraged/implied that they should sleep with anyone, then it's basically prostitution.

I doubt there would be any proof that there was any encouragement or "training" for the girls to do it, but unlike paying players or getting them BS jobs, this would actually be breaking the law.

gpngc 09-11-2013 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by iowatreat54 (Post 3444101)
Eh, that might get a little dicier. If the girls were employed by the university as like a welcome group or something for potential freshmen, and were at any time either trained/encouraged/implied that they should sleep with anyone, then it's basically prostitution.

I doubt there would be any proof that there was any encouragement or "training" for the girls to do it, but unlike paying players or getting them BS jobs, this would actually be breaking the law.

There is almost a 0% chance there is any proof. The only way there'd be proof is if a bunch of these females decided to testify against whoever put them up to it. And I doubt someone even blatantly put them up to it. It was probably understood, but there's almost no chance anything illegal could come out of this.

It's just SI spinning the story.

The only thing SI really has is the envelopes and pay-for-play stuff. Everything else is BS, impossible to prove, un-punishable, and quite frankly, not even that wrong. I don't mind giving student athletes (or regular college students for that matter), easy jobs to help them out. There's nothing illegal about that. As for young women being willing to sleep with other young men, as long as they aren't being threatened or paid to do it - that's her ******* choice. We don't go around bashing guys who get with ***** because they choose to "take advantage" of a girl's sluttiness.

SI just wanted to write SEX in big letters.

iowatreat54 09-11-2013 08:49 AM

Exactly. But the whole "sex" part is completely different than any of the other allegations, or any allegations in any of these scandals, because it could potentially result in very serious charges and jail time.

Not to mention that not only would the girls in this case be employed by the university, but may also technically be employees of the state of Oklahoma by extension. If anything were to come out of any of these allegations, this would be the most serious. But again, nothing will come of it, so it's probably a moot point.

SickwithIt1010 09-11-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by brat316 (Post 3443995)
how about a story on why the ncaa is garbage at handing out punishments?

Nah, they got all their punishment in when they slammed USC...and now they can't do anything else.

Jcn92 09-12-2013 06:49 PM

And this "expose" is becoming the shoddy piece of journalism that we have come to expect from Thayer Evans. Players saying they were misquoted, people who should've been contacted to confirm details were not, publishing information that is clearly not true. It's pretty clear Thayer Evans is a massive bias hack. This is what has happened before when he's written about "scandals" and it's happening again. Get this guy out of investigative journalism.

TitanHope 09-12-2013 07:37 PM

SI has both Thayer Evans and Pete Thamel working there. That's a double whammy.

Thamel is the jackass who used Kevin Ware's leg injury as an opportunity to promote an article he wrote about Ware's recruitment leading to UCF being put on probation. Tweeted it with Ware still on the ground. Link

Bob Sanders Dreadlock 09-12-2013 08:55 PM

Can't believe the athletes at Oklahoma State do drugs. College athletes doing drugs is so unheard of

Rabscuttle 09-12-2013 09:33 PM

Maybe there should just be another variable added in to determine ranking. Deduct more points the more players are paid or the hotter the escorts are. The last could make Iowa a contender...


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