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NOLAFan 09-22-2013 07:47 PM

RUMOR: Cleveland shopping Josh Gordon
 
I didn't see anyone mention this but as the title suggests it's a rumor. I'm curious to hear a Browns fan's thoughts on this

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ding-browns-wr

jth1331 09-22-2013 08:20 PM

Sell high baby! Not sure what they would really get for him though.

robert pancake gallery 09-22-2013 08:46 PM

he looked amazing today. if they do trade him i hope it isn't just for a late round flier, i could easily see him jumping into the elite class of receivers in the next couple years if he stays out of trouble.

Ness 09-22-2013 08:54 PM

Yeah we could use someone who could get off the jam right about now. But at the same time I don't want another knucklehead on the team.

Pat Sims 90 09-22-2013 08:54 PM

Gordon is a idiot. I don't think they want idiots on their team.

WMD 09-22-2013 09:01 PM

I predict the Patriots will take him.

ElectricEye 09-22-2013 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMD (Post 3454035)
I predict the Patriots will take him.

I wouldn't fight it. Gordon is super talented. I'm just not sure how much he helps us right now though. Our system is notoriously unfriendly to young players and Gordon may be too baked to learn the playbook.

...and for some context, the rumor got around before today's game. Maybe his performance today changes things a bit. They're also shopping Greg Little, but trading him would be difficult considering how nobody in the league would want him.

ChiFan24 09-22-2013 09:06 PM

I don't see why the Browns would trade him for anything less than a first. Maybe 2 seconds I guess.

Bengalsrocket 09-22-2013 09:07 PM

So the idea is that Gordon is too good for the Browns that they want to get rid of him so they can start fresh? Why not just keep him and build around him?

Or is the fear that he's too good for this season, and he hurts their chances of getting the first overall?

I don't get front office decisions like this at all :P

cgf (Rosebud) 09-22-2013 09:14 PM

Send him to Miami for their first. Miami gets a big boost as they try to swipe the division from the pats, keep Gordon out of New England, and would be giving up a pick in the bottom half of round one.

ImBrotherCain 09-22-2013 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiFan24 (Post 3454038)
I don't see why the Browns would trade him for anything less than a first. Maybe 2 seconds I guess.

Errr... uhhh?

I don't even think Gordon is worth that much making it a pretty impossible target. At best I see the guy going for a 3rd.

keylime_5 09-22-2013 09:24 PM

Because the Browns have elite talents at WR on their team all the time right? It only makes sense that the best WR talent we've had in years and years would be shipped out of town during his 2nd season on the team. He is a big character risk and a ticking time bomb one might say, but a town like has very little to lose by taking a risk on big upside playmakers like him. I'm sick of new regimes coming in every 3 years and gutting this team every...single...time. it's getting old and we're ditching young talent too often.

keylime_5 09-22-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImBrotherCain (Post 3454058)
Errr... uhhh?

I don't even think Gordon is worth that much making it a pretty impossible target. At best I see the guy going for a 3rd.

you must be on some pretty good meth. We got the guy for a 2nd and that was a steal considering his talent. Legit #1 WR and one of the best WRs in the game is what he will be if he can stay on the field and not get suspended again. He's worth at least that even with the baggage. You can't draft a WR with his talent in the first round even most years.

Bengalsrocket 09-22-2013 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keylime_5 (Post 3454061)
Because the Browns have elite talents at WR on their team all the time right? It only makes sense that the best WR talent we've had in years and years would be shipped out of town during his 2nd season on the team. He is a big character risk and a ticking time bomb one might say, but a town like has very little to lose by taking a risk on big upside playmakers like him. I'm sick of new regimes coming in every 3 years and gutting this team every...single...time. it's getting old and we're ditching young talent too often.

The opposite strategy to that exists in southern Ohio :P

You might be frustrated with coaches coming and wrecking the place only to be replaced by a guy who does the same thing, but it's equally frustrating watching Cincinnati give Marvin Lewis a chance time and time again only to end up with a decade long tenure with zero play off wins :P

Hopefully we've fixed that though, I like this team a lot (especially after today's win).

Malaka 09-22-2013 09:38 PM

Josh Gordon is the truth, he produces with Hoyer and Weeden... put him with Brady or even Rivers he'd be even sicker.

The guy is definitely worth a late first.

ImBrotherCain 09-22-2013 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keylime_5 (Post 3454064)
you must be on some pretty good meth. We got the guy for a 2nd and that was a steal considering his talent. Legit #1 WR and one of the best WRs in the game is what he will be if he can stay on the field and not get suspended again. He's worth at least that even with the baggage. You can't draft a WR with his talent in the first round even most years.

It's not what you paid for him or what he is worth... its what someone is willing to pay for him. He was suspended from school because of drug issues and has already be suspended in the pros for the same. Trent was traded a year after going 3rd overall for probably a mid round 1st.

Sure the value chart isn't completely fool proof but Trent went for 1/2 of his value. Why would this situation be any different... not to mention he has character concerns.

shylo3716 09-22-2013 10:04 PM

Can we use one thread to combine all rumors etc.?

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57381

Trade Block Thread ^

yo123 09-22-2013 10:29 PM

Why would they trade him? He looks like he could be a stud and they're paying him jack ****.

mightytitan9 09-22-2013 10:43 PM

He's one mistake from a season long suspension. That drastically hurts his value. I was thinking about this today and wondered if Lombardi still likes Mallett, and if so, if some agreement between the Browns and Patriots that sent Gordon to NE for Mallett could be worked out

shylo3716 09-22-2013 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mightytitan9 (Post 3454146)
He's one mistake from a season long suspension. That drastically hurts his value. I was thinking about this today and wondered if Lombardi still likes Mallett, and if so, if some agreement between the Browns and Patriots that sent Gordon to NE for Mallett could be worked out

I would ship Little instead for Mallett.

yo123 09-22-2013 11:46 PM

Greg Little is awful, NE would be stupid to take that.

ElectricEye 09-22-2013 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yo123 (Post 3454177)
Greg Little is awful, NE would be stupid to take that.

Yeah, no way that's happening. Little is terrible.

As far as Mallet goes, player for player trades are so rare that it's hard to see anything like that happening. Mallet hasn't exactly set the world on fire either. His opportunities are limited, but he's looked mediocre in every camp he's been in. Misses throws that NFL quarterback have to make. He showed a little bit down the stretch in the pre-season, but hardly enough to warrant that kind of interest.

Beyond the rarity, I don't think either team would feel too good about that deal. Both players are fairly risky. Mallet's upside is greater, but so is the projection. Gordon is already in trouble. You've also got to be careful with receivers who put up numbers on teams like the Browns. We've seen guys like Gordon end up being fool's gold before. I like the guy and would probably make that deal if it was on the table, but I just can't see it happening. Makes sense on some levels, but yeah.


While we're on the subject of Ryan Mallet and Patriots backup quarterbacks, for what it's worth, Hoyer outplayed him in his years here. Mallet obviously has more upside and Hoyer may not turn out to be a starting caliber quarterback, but the team was pretty high on him as backup. It wouldn't surprise me if he plays well enough to be considered a fringy starter. A guy who plays just well enough to beat bad teams obviously doesn't do a team as deep into the shitpile as the Browns much good, but I think a little bit of perspective on these two guys is kind of useful in this discussion. I would much rather swing for the fences and strikeout with a guy like Mallet over maybe winning 6 games with Hoyer, but yeah. Hoyer could end up being decent.

TitanHope 09-23-2013 12:54 AM

I thought the Richardson trade was no biggie, but Josh Gordon is a chrome shelled adonis. I want him. Bad.

I will trade the Browns myself for him.

ChiFan24 09-23-2013 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImBrotherCain (Post 3454058)
Errr... uhhh?

I don't even think Gordon is worth that much making it a pretty impossible target. At best I see the guy going for a 3rd.

Then you haven't seen enough Josh Gordon. They literally just drafted him with their 2013 second rounder and his production has already surpassed that. He's 22 years old.

Also, you need to reread my post. I didn't say he WILL go for a first. I said what the Browns need to get for him in order for the trade to make any sense.

ChiFan24 09-23-2013 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImBrotherCain (Post 3454098)
It's not what you paid for him or what he is worth... its what someone is willing to pay for him. He was suspended from school because of drug issues and has already be suspended in the pros for the same. Trent was traded a year after going 3rd overall for probably a mid round 1st.

Sure the value chart isn't completely fool proof but Trent went for 1/2 of his value. Why would this situation be any different... not to mention he has character concerns.

Because that was a stupid pick. Gordon was not.


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