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Number 10 04-10-2007 12:10 PM

Pac-Man done for the year
 
And Henry out of action for the first half of the season.

Great job Goodell.

Meta4 04-10-2007 12:11 PM

He can be reinstated after the first 10 games. He still has a chance to play.

PalmerToCJ 04-10-2007 12:14 PM

I kinda think Henry got ripped. He's already been sat out 6 games I believe for conduct and he actually appears to have got it together. Being suspended will only increase the liklihood he does something stupid. 4 games I was fine with, 8 I think is too many.

Number 10 04-10-2007 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PalmerToCJ (Post 290983)
I kinda think Henry got ripped. He's already been sat out 6 games I believe for conduct and he actually appears to have got it together. Being suspended will only increase the liklihood he does something stupid. 4 games I was fine with, 8 I think is too many.


Better too much than too little.

bsaza2358 04-10-2007 12:15 PM

I have to say I'm pretty shocked that they're suspending these guys after the fact. Seems like the punishments are kind of in line with what you'd expect. It's just shocking to me that the Union would allow past issues (with no convictions to date) to affect current playing time...

art vandelay 04-10-2007 12:16 PM

I also think that Henry got too many games. Pac-Man's suspension was good with me.

Number 10 04-10-2007 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bsaza2358 (Post 290990)
I have to say I'm pretty shocked that they're suspending these guys after the fact. Seems like the punishments are kind of in line with what you'd expect. It's just shocking to me that the Union would allow past issues (with no convictions to date) to affect current playing time...

I'm sure the Union will challenge it.

bsaza2358 04-10-2007 12:17 PM

I'm guessing they can cut the suspensions a little, but it won't be wide-ranging. Is the NFL going to suspend Pacman again next season if he's convicted?

Jughead10 04-10-2007 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bsaza2358 (Post 290990)
I have to say I'm pretty shocked that they're suspending these guys after the fact. Seems like the punishments are kind of in line with what you'd expect. It's just shocking to me that the Union would allow past issues (with no convictions to date) to affect current playing time...

The union is weak. Everyone knows that. The only thing they are strong on is letting the medical problems of former players fall on deaf ears.

Ward 04-10-2007 12:21 PM

Pacman hasn't been convicted of a single crime, good job NFL.

Jughead10 04-10-2007 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ward (Post 291000)
Pacman hasn't been convicted of a single crime, good job NFL.

He did fail to tell his team and the NFL about an arrest in Georgia though which is in violation of his contract. I think that was part of it.

rickscott 04-10-2007 12:25 PM

I actually think 4-6 would have been more fair for Henry. I think he paid a price for the Bengals team in a way. He has been suspended for 3 games thus far last year, 2 by the league and 1 by ML. I think 4-6 more would have been fair. He really hasn't been involved in the real serious stuff like we have seen from Pacman. Hopefully he learns a lesson, if not, his career is likely over

yourfavestoner 04-10-2007 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bsaza2358 (Post 290990)
I have to say I'm pretty shocked that they're suspending these guys after the fact. Seems like the punishments are kind of in line with what you'd expect. It's just shocking to me that the Union would allow past issues (with no convictions to date) to affect current playing time...

Yeah, I think that's a bit odd, too. I thought the new conduct policy was going to be implemented for future incidents. It seems to me liek the league is turning Henry and Jones into scapegoats. After all, why are they the only ones being suspended for past incidents? Especially considering that Henry has already been disciplined by the league. Is the league going to go back and suspend Jamal Lewis again for helping arrange a cocaine deal? What about Ray Lewis, who plead guilty to an Obstruction of Justice charge in a murder case?

The Unseen 04-10-2007 12:27 PM

I agree with Ward's sentiments. For not being convicted, a whole year is out there. Jughead's issue is the ebst ammo for such, but I think it's too much.

WarrenMoonHOF 04-10-2007 12:27 PM

1 year really punishes the team more then the player. It's unfortunate and I really feel for the guys on that time that bust their a$$ to play in the NFL. Pac is such an important part of that team. 16 games without a conviction seems really harsh.

Titans10 04-10-2007 12:29 PM

This is bulllshit, he hasnt been convicted of anything yet, how can he be suspended?

Innocent until proven guilty

Geo 04-10-2007 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WarrenMoonHOF (Post 291013)
1 year really punishes the team more then the player. It's unfortunate and I really feel for the guys on that time that bust their a$$ to play in the NFL. Pac is such an important part of that team. 16 games without a conviction seems really harsh.

Both teams knew what they were getting when they drafted their respective player. They have no one to blame but themselves.

bsaza2358 04-10-2007 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Titans10 (Post 291022)
This is bulllshit, he hasnt been convicted of anything yet, how can he be suspended?

Innocent until proven guilty

That's not necessarily a fair point. While I agree that it is very suspect, the NFL is also a private organization. If I were arrested in Vegas for punching someone, and a friend of mine shot someone, I could easily get fired from my job. Conduct away from work is usually private, but arrests and associating with people with poor reputations can harm one's standing in a job. The NFL is a job and a business. They have the right to employ, hire, fire, and dismiss whomever they like.

Titans10 04-10-2007 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9 (Post 291029)
completely irrelevant in this case, but cute try.

How is it irrelevant, he hasnt been convicted of ANYTHING, until then he is innocent...why should he be suspened the whole year for no reason

bsaza2358 04-10-2007 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9 (Post 291031)
i can see the NFL's point. either because of putting himself in stupid situations or by hanging out with stupid people, pacman has made the NFL look stupid. any other employee in any other job would likely have been fired.

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Originally Posted by bsaza2358 (Post 291033)
That's not necessarily a fair point. While I agree that it is very suspect, the NFL is also a private organization. If I were arrested in Vegas for punching someone, and a friend of mine shot someone, I could easily get fired from my job. Conduct away from work is usually private, but arrests and associating with people with poor reputations can harm one's standing in a job. The NFL is a job and a business. They have the right to employ, hire, fire, and dismiss whomever they like.

Great minds think alike...

bsaza2358 04-10-2007 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Titans10 (Post 291041)
How is it irrelevant, he hasnt been convicted of ANYTHING, until then he is innocent...why should he be suspened the whole year for no reason

See njx and my responses above.

Vikes99ej 04-10-2007 12:37 PM

The NFL did nothing wrong. They are introducing a new conduct policy, and they want the players to respect and abide by it. The league needs to maintain a standard. If this doesn't make Jones change his ways, maybe a kick out of the league will.

bigbluedefense 04-10-2007 12:38 PM

You can make a valid case that the suspensions are too high.

But youre overlooking the importance of what Goodell has done.

This HAD to be done. This is the beginning of a new era in football. Goodell is letting it be known that thuggery wont be accepted. He's doing the right thing, hes looking out for the long term future of this sport by dealing with a rising issue directly.

Unlike Tagliabue who swept it under the rug, Goodell is doing the right thing. This had to be done. The rest of the league is on call. Are they scapegoats? Yes, but sometimes you need that to get the message across.

And lets not be naive. Just because Pacman hasn't been convicted of anything doesn't mean that he wasn't in some way guilty of something. Athletes can get away with anything. Convictions don't mean anything anymore.

Goodell realizes that, and is taking action the best way he can. The worst thing you can do to an athlete is take the game away from him. And Goodell is doing that to set an example for the rest of the league.

Hopefully this marks the beginning of a cleaner NFL. So far, Goodell is doing a great job.

Titans10 04-10-2007 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bsaza2358 (Post 291046)
See njx and my responses above.

Thats does make sense but its still ********...this kills our team

Jughead10 04-10-2007 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Titans10 (Post 291041)
How is it irrelevant, he hasnt been convicted of ANYTHING, until then he is innocent...why should he be suspened the whole year for no reason

They can do whatever they want. Bottom line is Pacman makes the look bad. OJ Simpson was never found guilty either but he was canned from every advertisment deal he had and he'll never get work again in that capacity.


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