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TimD 07-12-2006 09:10 PM

Best NY Jet???
 
i saw a chiefs one and now i'm curious to see who people think the best Jet player was/is???

this is hard, because a great arguement could be made for all of these guys as well as some others... i think these are the 7 best jets but if there is someone i forgot, sorry...

RB: Martin--the next Jet to go into the Hall.

DT: Klecko—redefined his position, and went to the Pro Bowl at three different ones.

QB: Namath—he is to the Jets what Babe Ruth is to the Yankees. Led them to the Superbowl... and won their first and only one...

WR: Chrebet—has been one of the game’s most clutch receivers, and has made some of the most exciting plays in Jet history. With 500 receptions, nine seasons

WR: Maynard—when he played, the only other WR in the same universe was Lance Alworth.

DE: Gastineau—for years one of the game’s best pass rushers, and when he felt like tackling a running back, Hall-of-Fame caliber.

C: Mawae— one of the best centers in history... future hall of famer

TimD 07-12-2006 09:15 PM

didnt put vilma because he hasn't played enough, but i think in 2 years he might be the best nyj ever

Jonathan_VIlma 07-12-2006 09:17 PM

LT Winston Hill should be on this list.

Al Toon, and Freeman McNeil should as well.

It really goes..
1. Joe Namath
2. Joe Klecko
3. Curtis Martin

But that's my opinion. Winston Hill and Maynard would follow after.

elway777 07-12-2006 09:21 PM

kyle brady

M.O.T.H. 07-12-2006 09:59 PM

Namath is so overrated, he was an absolutly horrible QB. He would go in there and throw the ball as hard as he could every freaking time, he had no idea what a touch pass was at all. He threw so many interceptions throughout his career it was ridiculous. Didn't he have a 50% completion percentage for his career and throw nearly 50 more ints than tds in his career?

frogstomp 07-12-2006 10:02 PM

This coming year it's Vilma, easy.

07-12-2006 10:03 PM

Joe Namath was just a straight up below average QB. Look at his stats and tell me he belongs in the HOF. Anyway, C-Mart is a top 15 RB of all time, so he gets my vote.

njx9 07-12-2006 10:08 PM

was there a reason this couldn't go in the jets team thread?

07-12-2006 10:09 PM

Just just lets you know how horrible the jets teams have been cause they have never had a truly great player.

Jonathan_VIlma 07-12-2006 10:57 PM

What people don't realize is that Joe Namath was an incredibly gifted athlete, and an awesome running quarterback at Alabama until he had knee injuries. He played on injured knees all of his career and he played behind some pretty bad Jet lines in the early 60's.

Duel knee surgeries killed his 70', 71', and 73' seasons.

He was also the first real commercialized quarterback and Namath lead the team that forced the merger. Stats don't tell the whole story. He made people want to watch the AFL, and eventually the NFL after the merger. "The Guarantee" is easily the most famous Superbowl line ever. Say what you want about his completion percentage, but all they did back then was throw downfield.

Joe Namath - 50.1
Johnny Unitas - 54.6
Norm Van Brocklin - 53.6
Bobby Layne - 49
Bob Waterfield - 50.3
George Blanda - 48

The most accurate passers of the time period finished with completion percentages under 58. Passers considered the better of the era

Y.A. Tittle - 55.5
Bart Starr - 57

Give me a break with the whole "overrated" thing. He dominated when healthy regardless of the stats.

Did the Saints deserve their own thread for this? No. We've been bad, but we're nowhere near the worst franchise in the NFL.

PACKmanN 07-12-2006 11:11 PM

Curtis Martin

Gribble 07-12-2006 11:15 PM

Namath made it for his guarantee and for being a decent QB... he wasn't the best QB though.

I'll take Martin, although he started with the Pats.

AlexDown 07-12-2006 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylor21
Just just lets you know how horrible the jets teams have been cause they have never had a truly great player.

Or a player that spits in other player's faces.

rainbeaukid2 07-12-2006 11:41 PM

namath didnt really do anything great in his career. he won one superbowl which is good, but the guarantee is the only thing that made him memorable. he wouldnt be considered as the greatest jet of all time if he didnt make the guarantee.

TCU 07-12-2006 11:45 PM

Drew Coleman is the best J-E-T just playing its Curtis Martin.

07-12-2006 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
What people don't realize is that Joe Namath was an incredibly gifted athlete, and an awesome running quarterback at Alabama until he had knee injuries. He played on injured knees all of his career and he played behind some pretty bad Jet lines in the early 60's.

Duel knee surgeries killed his 70', 71', and 73' seasons.

He was also the first real commercialized quarterback and Namath lead the team that forced the merger. Stats don't tell the whole story. He made people want to watch the AFL, and eventually the NFL after the merger. "The Guarantee" is easily the most famous Superbowl line ever. Say what you want about his completion percentage, but all they did back then was throw downfield.

Joe Namath - 50.1
Johnny Unitas - 54.6
Norm Van Brocklin - 53.6
Bobby Layne - 49
Bob Waterfield - 50.3
George Blanda - 48

The most accurate passers of the time period finished with completion percentages under 58. Passers considered the better of the era

Y.A. Tittle - 55.5
Bart Starr - 57

Give me a break with the whole "overrated" thing. He dominated when healthy regardless of the stats.

Did the Saints deserve their own thread for this? No. We've been bad, but we're nowhere near the worst franchise in the NFL.



He had a lot more career interceptions than TD's. Hes famous because of the gurantee. Guranteeing a victory doesnt make you good.

Jonathan_VIlma 07-12-2006 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by maroney39
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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
What people don't realize is that Joe Namath was an incredibly gifted athlete, and an awesome running quarterback at Alabama until he had knee injuries. He played on injured knees all of his career and he played behind some pretty bad Jet lines in the early 60's.

Duel knee surgeries killed his 70', 71', and 73' seasons.

He was also the first real commercialized quarterback and Namath lead the team that forced the merger. Stats don't tell the whole story. He made people want to watch the AFL, and eventually the NFL after the merger. "The Guarantee" is easily the most famous Superbowl line ever. Say what you want about his completion percentage, but all they did back then was throw downfield.

Joe Namath - 50.1
Johnny Unitas - 54.6
Norm Van Brocklin - 53.6
Bobby Layne - 49
Bob Waterfield - 50.3
George Blanda - 48

The most accurate passers of the time period finished with completion percentages under 58. Passers considered the better of the era

Y.A. Tittle - 55.5
Bart Starr - 57

Give me a break with the whole "overrated" thing. He dominated when healthy regardless of the stats.

Did the Saints deserve their own thread for this? No. We've been bad, but we're nowhere near the worst franchise in the NFL.



He had a lot more career interceptions than TD's. Hes famous because of the gurantee. Guranteeing a victory doesnt make you good.

Did you read anything I just typed out?

07-12-2006 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
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Originally Posted by maroney39
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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
What people don't realize is that Joe Namath was an incredibly gifted athlete, and an awesome running quarterback at Alabama until he had knee injuries. He played on injured knees all of his career and he played behind some pretty bad Jet lines in the early 60's.

Duel knee surgeries killed his 70', 71', and 73' seasons.

He was also the first real commercialized quarterback and Namath lead the team that forced the merger. Stats don't tell the whole story. He made people want to watch the AFL, and eventually the NFL after the merger. "The Guarantee" is easily the most famous Superbowl line ever. Say what you want about his completion percentage, but all they did back then was throw downfield.

Joe Namath - 50.1
Johnny Unitas - 54.6
Norm Van Brocklin - 53.6
Bobby Layne - 49
Bob Waterfield - 50.3
George Blanda - 48

The most accurate passers of the time period finished with completion percentages under 58. Passers considered the better of the era

Y.A. Tittle - 55.5
Bart Starr - 57

Give me a break with the whole "overrated" thing. He dominated when healthy regardless of the stats.

Did the Saints deserve their own thread for this? No. We've been bad, but we're nowhere near the worst franchise in the NFL.



He had a lot more career interceptions than TD's. Hes famous because of the gurantee. Guranteeing a victory doesnt make you good.

Did you read anything I just typed out?


Yes I did. Stats arent everything, but they are a lot of it. And his stats were just bad. Completion percentage is fine i guess, but look at his TD-interception ratio. Not HOF calibur and thats undeniable so stop being a homer. He won a championship. Woo hoo so did Trent Dilfer.

Jonathan_VIlma 07-13-2006 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by maroney39
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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
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Originally Posted by maroney39
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
What people don't realize is that Joe Namath was an incredibly gifted athlete, and an awesome running quarterback at Alabama until he had knee injuries. He played on injured knees all of his career and he played behind some pretty bad Jet lines in the early 60's.

Duel knee surgeries killed his 70', 71', and 73' seasons.

He was also the first real commercialized quarterback and Namath lead the team that forced the merger. Stats don't tell the whole story. He made people want to watch the AFL, and eventually the NFL after the merger. "The Guarantee" is easily the most famous Superbowl line ever. Say what you want about his completion percentage, but all they did back then was throw downfield.

Joe Namath - 50.1
Johnny Unitas - 54.6
Norm Van Brocklin - 53.6
Bobby Layne - 49
Bob Waterfield - 50.3
George Blanda - 48

The most accurate passers of the time period finished with completion percentages under 58. Passers considered the better of the era

Y.A. Tittle - 55.5
Bart Starr - 57

Give me a break with the whole "overrated" thing. He dominated when healthy regardless of the stats.

Did the Saints deserve their own thread for this? No. We've been bad, but we're nowhere near the worst franchise in the NFL.



He had a lot more career interceptions than TD's. Hes famous because of the gurantee. Guranteeing a victory doesnt make you good.

Did you read anything I just typed out?


Yes I did. Stats arent everything, but they are a lot of it. And his stats were just bad. Completion percentage is fine i guess, but look at his TD-interception ratio. Not HOF calibur and thats undeniable so stop being a homer. He won a championship. Woo hoo so did Trent Dilfer.

So did Joe Montana. Don't use the Trent Dilfer buyout. The Jets had a good defense, but Namath lead them there, regardless of the ******** you want to come up with. It's not only the on the field things, it's the way he revolutionized the game, and the downfield passing attack. Many overlook the fact that he had such bad injuries, as well and played through them.

07-13-2006 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
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Originally Posted by maroney39
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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
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Originally Posted by maroney39
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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
What people don't realize is that Joe Namath was an incredibly gifted athlete, and an awesome running quarterback at Alabama until he had knee injuries. He played on injured knees all of his career and he played behind some pretty bad Jet lines in the early 60's.

Duel knee surgeries killed his 70', 71', and 73' seasons.

He was also the first real commercialized quarterback and Namath lead the team that forced the merger. Stats don't tell the whole story. He made people want to watch the AFL, and eventually the NFL after the merger. "The Guarantee" is easily the most famous Superbowl line ever. Say what you want about his completion percentage, but all they did back then was throw downfield.

Joe Namath - 50.1
Johnny Unitas - 54.6
Norm Van Brocklin - 53.6
Bobby Layne - 49
Bob Waterfield - 50.3
George Blanda - 48

The most accurate passers of the time period finished with completion percentages under 58. Passers considered the better of the era

Y.A. Tittle - 55.5
Bart Starr - 57

Give me a break with the whole "overrated" thing. He dominated when healthy regardless of the stats.

Did the Saints deserve their own thread for this? No. We've been bad, but we're nowhere near the worst franchise in the NFL.



He had a lot more career interceptions than TD's. Hes famous because of the gurantee. Guranteeing a victory doesnt make you good.

Did you read anything I just typed out?


Yes I did. Stats arent everything, but they are a lot of it. And his stats were just bad. Completion percentage is fine i guess, but look at his TD-interception ratio. Not HOF calibur and thats undeniable so stop being a homer. He won a championship. Woo hoo so did Trent Dilfer.

So did Joe Montana. Don't use the Trent Dilfer buyout. The Jets had a good defense, but Namath lead them there, regardless of the *********** you want to come up with. It's not only the on the field things, it's the way he revolutionized the game, and the downfield passing attack. Many overlook the fact that he had such bad injuries, as well and played through them.



How could he lead him there when he was tossing up INT's left and right? Their defense led them there, he did not revolutioniz the passing game in any way shape or form, that was YA Tittle's doing.

07-13-2006 12:10 AM

Kevin Mawae is more overrated than Joe Namath to those who said Namath is overrated.

Jonathan_VIlma 07-13-2006 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by maroney39
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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
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Originally Posted by maroney39
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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
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Originally Posted by maroney39
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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
What people don't realize is that Joe Namath was an incredibly gifted athlete, and an awesome running quarterback at Alabama until he had knee injuries. He played on injured knees all of his career and he played behind some pretty bad Jet lines in the early 60's.

Duel knee surgeries killed his 70', 71', and 73' seasons.

He was also the first real commercialized quarterback and Namath lead the team that forced the merger. Stats don't tell the whole story. He made people want to watch the AFL, and eventually the NFL after the merger. "The Guarantee" is easily the most famous Superbowl line ever. Say what you want about his completion percentage, but all they did back then was throw downfield.

Joe Namath - 50.1
Johnny Unitas - 54.6
Norm Van Brocklin - 53.6
Bobby Layne - 49
Bob Waterfield - 50.3
George Blanda - 48

The most accurate passers of the time period finished with completion percentages under 58. Passers considered the better of the era

Y.A. Tittle - 55.5
Bart Starr - 57

Give me a break with the whole "overrated" thing. He dominated when healthy regardless of the stats.

Did the Saints deserve their own thread for this? No. We've been bad, but we're nowhere near the worst franchise in the NFL.



He had a lot more career interceptions than TD's. Hes famous because of the gurantee. Guranteeing a victory doesnt make you good.

Did you read anything I just typed out?


Yes I did. Stats arent everything, but they are a lot of it. And his stats were just bad. Completion percentage is fine i guess, but look at his TD-interception ratio. Not HOF calibur and thats undeniable so stop being a homer. He won a championship. Woo hoo so did Trent Dilfer.

So did Joe Montana. Don't use the Trent Dilfer buyout. The Jets had a good defense, but Namath lead them there, regardless of the *********** you want to come up with. It's not only the on the field things, it's the way he revolutionized the game, and the downfield passing attack. Many overlook the fact that he had such bad injuries, as well and played through them.



How could he lead him there when he was tossing up INT's left and right? Their defense led them there, he did not revolutioniz the passing game in any way shape or form, that was YA Tittle's doing.

He revolutionized the downfield passing attack, pay attention to what I type.

Watch some 1968 games and you'll understand how he lead them there. He was clutch, he made it happen when it needed to happen, and was a game manager.

cunningham06 07-13-2006 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GermaineRace
Kevin Mawae is more overrated than Joe Namath to those who said Namath is overrated.

The only reason that Joe Namath made it into the HOF was because he guaranteed a victory in a game in which they were considered huge underdogs, and his team won. His career numbers weren't that great, he just threw tons of interceptions and had a very low completion percentage. He was a home town hero in a city as big as New York, so the hype alone got him in.

bearsfan_51 07-13-2006 12:13 AM

Whoever said Mawae was a future HOF is smoking some crack. Centers rarely make the HOF, and Mawae won't be one of them. Dermonti Dawson didn't make the HOF, Jay Hillenberg didn't make the HOF and he made 8 consecutive Pro Bowls. I don't know the number of Pro Bowls on Mawae to be honest but I can't imagine it's more than that. And for those of you who say the Pro Bowl is just a popularity contest (which it's really not considering the fans are only 1/3) it plays a huge role in who makes the HOF particularly on the offensive line where there are no stats to track.

07-13-2006 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
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Originally Posted by maroney39
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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
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Originally Posted by maroney39
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Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
Quote:

Originally Posted by maroney39
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan_VIlma
What people don't realize is that Joe Namath was an incredibly gifted athlete, and an awesome running quarterback at Alabama until he had knee injuries. He played on injured knees all of his career and he played behind some pretty bad Jet lines in the early 60's.

Duel knee surgeries killed his 70', 71', and 73' seasons.

He was also the first real commercialized quarterback and Namath lead the team that forced the merger. Stats don't tell the whole story. He made people want to watch the AFL, and eventually the NFL after the merger. "The Guarantee" is easily the most famous Superbowl line ever. Say what you want about his completion percentage, but all they did back then was throw downfield.

Joe Namath - 50.1
Johnny Unitas - 54.6
Norm Van Brocklin - 53.6
Bobby Layne - 49
Bob Waterfield - 50.3
George Blanda - 48

The most accurate passers of the time period finished with completion percentages under 58. Passers considered the better of the era

Y.A. Tittle - 55.5
Bart Starr - 57

Give me a break with the whole "overrated" thing. He dominated when healthy regardless of the stats.

Did the Saints deserve their own thread for this? No. We've been bad, but we're nowhere near the worst franchise in the NFL.



He had a lot more career interceptions than TD's. Hes famous because of the gurantee. Guranteeing a victory doesnt make you good.

Did you read anything I just typed out?


Yes I did. Stats arent everything, but they are a lot of it. And his stats were just bad. Completion percentage is fine i guess, but look at his TD-interception ratio. Not HOF calibur and thats undeniable so stop being a homer. He won a championship. Woo hoo so did Trent Dilfer.

So did Joe Montana. Don't use the Trent Dilfer buyout. The Jets had a good defense, but Namath lead them there, regardless of the *********** you want to come up with. It's not only the on the field things, it's the way he revolutionized the game, and the downfield passing attack. Many overlook the fact that he had such bad injuries, as well and played through them.



How could he lead him there when he was tossing up INT's left and right? Their defense led them there, he did not revolutioniz the passing game in any way shape or form, that was YA Tittle's doing.

He revolutionized the downfield passing attack, pay attention to what I type.

Watch some 1968 games and you'll understand how he lead them there. He was clutch, he made it happen when it needed to happen, and was a game manager.



Will you quit saying that? I know what you said, and YA Tittle still revolutionizled it. Brad Johnson is a game manager, can he be in the hall of fame too? Game managers shouldnt and dont generally make the HOF.


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