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Vikes99ej 10-26-2006 09:28 PM

Rex Grossman!!!
 
How good is Rex Grossman?

bearsfan_51 10-26-2006 09:28 PM

:lol:

This is a joke right?

P-L 10-26-2006 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
:lol:

This is a joke right?

You mean Brett Favre isn't in the same tier as Peyton Manning?

Vikes99ej 10-26-2006 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriots-Lions
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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
:lol:

This is a joke right?

You mean Brett Favre isn't in the same tier as Peyton Manning?

Everyone forgets how good he can be. He has had some great years.

bearsfan_51 10-26-2006 09:32 PM

Or better than Carson Palmer? The whole thing confuses me. I think the best comparison is probably Eli at this point. Both have great arms and questionable decision making skills. Rex is a little more mobile but Eli is taller, and I think that may help him a bit in the long run as Rex will always have to adjust his game by rolling out of the pocket or taking 7 step drops to see over his lineman. This is why it always looks like he's hopping too.

jkpigskin 10-26-2006 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes99ej
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Originally Posted by Patriots-Lions
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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
:lol:

This is a joke right?

You mean Brett Favre isn't in the same tier as Peyton Manning?

Everyone forgets how good he can be. He has had some great years.

ok i think he is kidding........

Vince Lombardi 10-26-2006 09:52 PM

Grossman probably fits into the Losman, Carr, Leftwich, Rivers tier. He hasn't done any more than any of these guys to prove he deserves to be ranked higher yet.

Obviously Favre isn't in the top tier anymore, but people forget so quickly just how good he was, especially alot of the young kids on this site who just keep calling for his retirement and never saw him in his prime. Here's a little reminder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ict1CR9wM_0

Twiddler 10-26-2006 10:12 PM

Wow, I'm confused. And for Grossman, I think he's a solid QB as of now, but I think he is a step or two below guys like Eli and Carson.

Shiver 10-26-2006 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince Lombardi
Grossman probably fits into the Losman, Carr, Leftwich, Rivers tier. He hasn't done any more than any of these guys to prove he deserves to be ranked higher yet.

Obviously Favre isn't in the top tier anymore, but people forget so quickly just how good he was, especially alot of the young kids on this site who just keep calling for his retirement and never saw him in his prime. Here's a little reminder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ict1CR9wM_0


Rivers and Carr are soundly above Grossman. He is above Losman easily though.

10-26-2006 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Twiddler
Wow, I'm confused. And for Grossman, I think he's a solid QB as of now, but I think he is a step or two below guys like Eli and Carson.

id rather have grossman instead of eli.hes a more consistent qb.

Twiddler 10-26-2006 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by doingthisinsteadofwork
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Originally Posted by Twiddler
Wow, I'm confused. And for Grossman, I think he's a solid QB as of now, but I think he is a step or two below guys like Eli and Carson.

id rather have grossman instead of eli.hes a more consistent qb.

Without the Cardinals game I would agree with you. But I think that he needs to bounce back from that terrible game and show people that he is a legit QB. And when you think about it, the Cardinal's game could be good for him in the long run, makes him question things and work harder to become the QB he wants to be.

sweetness34 10-27-2006 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by doingthisinsteadofwork
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Originally Posted by Twiddler
Wow, I'm confused. And for Grossman, I think he's a solid QB as of now, but I think he is a step or two below guys like Eli and Carson.

id rather have grossman instead of eli.hes a more consistent qb.

Eh, Eli's played twice as many games as Rex has too. That's the one area Rexy really needs to work on is his consistnecy and his decision making. But that will improve with time.

soybean 10-27-2006 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
Or better than Carson Palmer? The whole thing confuses me. I think the best comparison is probably Eli at this point. Both have great arms and questionable decision making skills. Rex is a little more mobile but Eli is taller, and I think that may help him a bit in the long run as Rex will always have to adjust his game by rolling out of the pocket or taking 7 step drops to see over his lineman. This is why it always looks like he's hopping too.

how do bears fan feel about orton? do you guys love him or think same thing people are saying bout plummer?

TitleTown088 10-27-2006 02:54 AM

just because brett favre has been around before some of you young guys had pubes dosent mean he isn't good.


BTW I eat peices of **** like rex grossman for breakfest.

bearsfan_51 10-27-2006 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088
just because brett favre has been around before some of you young guys had pubes dosent mean he isn't good.


BTW I eat peices of *********** like rex grossman for breakfest.

Rex Grossman's career record versus the Packers is 3-0. You wish you had him on your team today. The fact that Favre isn't that good anymore makes him not that good anymore. How's that for logic?

As for the Orton question, I'm fine with him being on the roster, but I hope I never ever ever have to see him play a game for the rest of my life.

Jughead10 10-27-2006 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by doingthisinsteadofwork
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Originally Posted by Twiddler
Wow, I'm confused. And for Grossman, I think he's a solid QB as of now, but I think he is a step or two below guys like Eli and Carson.

id rather have grossman instead of eli.hes a more consistent qb.

He has only been more consistent at being hurt. I think Grossman is slightly behind Eli and that is only because he has less of a resume to work with. He has barely ever played and this year has looked great against crappy team until the Cardinals game.

Bearsfan123 10-27-2006 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince Lombardi
Grossman probably fits into the Losman, Carr, Leftwich, Rivers tier. He hasn't done any more than any of these guys to prove he deserves to be ranked higher yet.

Obviously Favre isn't in the top tier anymore, but people forget so quickly just how good he was, especially alot of the young kids on this site who just keep calling for his retirement and never saw him in his prime. Here's a little reminder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ict1CR9wM_0


after watching that I call for his retirement even more. He has nothing left to prove, he was great. And can only show flashes of his former ability. I KNOW Favre was great, my dad respects him like no other. He constantly tells me that, but we are in agreement that he shouldnt be playing anymore.

bearsfan_51 10-27-2006 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10
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Originally Posted by doingthisinsteadofwork
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Originally Posted by Twiddler
Wow, I'm confused. And for Grossman, I think he's a solid QB as of now, but I think he is a step or two below guys like Eli and Carson.

id rather have grossman instead of eli.hes a more consistent qb.

He has only been more consistent at being hurt.

Grossman has a much better winning % too. Obviously he has a better team around him, but that's an argument that can be made. In fact, Grossman has a better winning % than probably any QB in the league, albeit only accounting for 14 games.

Geo 10-27-2006 10:25 AM

I've been big on Grossman since his Gator days, but I wouldn't put him near Eli's level. Right now he's more equatable to Phillip Rivers and JP Losman, very talented guys who just need more experience and can win games for their teams in the meantime if they don't turn the ball over.

Vince Lombardi 10-27-2006 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
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Originally Posted by TitleTown088
just because brett favre has been around before some of you young guys had pubes dosent mean he isn't good.


BTW I eat peices of *********** like rex grossman for breakfest.

Rex Grossman's career record versus the Packers is 3-0. You wish you had him on your team today. The fact that Favre isn't that good anymore makes him not that good anymore. How's that for logic?

That's pretty stupid logic actually. Do you want to know what Brett Favres record against the Bears is? Favres not good anymore? I'd still take him over Grossman. Brett is putting up just as good of numbers as Rex is, only he's having to do it with only two WR's who anybody's ever heard of (one of whom is a rookie), a complete lack of a running game, an inexperienced O-line with two rookies starting, and oh yea, without the best defense in the league to bail him out. Now here is where I'm sure some smartass will say, "yea, well how many wins to the Packers have?". And to that I say, how many would they have if Rex Grossman was their QB right now, and how many would the Bears have if Brett Favre was their QB right now? People here just like to hate....




portermvp84 10-27-2006 11:01 AM

He's above the Carr category, he's becoming to improve to an elite QB. IMO he falls in the the Carson category.

PalmerToCJ 10-27-2006 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by portermvp84
He's above the Carr category, he's becoming to improve to an elite QB. IMO he falls in the the Carson category.

:shock:

There are only a few sane posters in this thread.

Jughead10 10-27-2006 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PalmerToCJ
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Originally Posted by portermvp84
He's above the Carr category, he's becoming to improve to an elite QB. IMO he falls in the the Carson category.

:shock:

There are only a few sane posters in this thread.

I was going to reply to that as well, but decided not to. I'm glad someone did though. In all honesty Grossman is probably in the 12-16 range as far as starting QBs in my opinion.

bearsfan_51 10-27-2006 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince Lombardi
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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
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Originally Posted by TitleTown088
just because brett favre has been around before some of you young guys had pubes dosent mean he isn't good.


BTW I eat peices of *********** like rex grossman for breakfest.

Rex Grossman's career record versus the Packers is 3-0. You wish you had him on your team today. The fact that Favre isn't that good anymore makes him not that good anymore. How's that for logic?

That's pretty stupid logic actually. Do you want to know what Brett Favres record against the Bears is? Favres not good anymore? I'd still take him over Grossman. Brett is putting up just as good of numbers as Rex is, only he's having to do it with only two WR's who anybody's ever heard of (one of whom is a rookie), a complete lack of a running game, an inexperienced O-line with two rookies starting, and oh yea, without the best defense in the league to bail him out. Now here is where I'm sure some smartass will say, "yea, well how many wins to the Packers have?". And to that I say, how many would they have if Rex Grossman was their QB right now, and how many would the Bears have if Brett Favre was their QB right now? People here just like to hate....




I would take Donald Driver and Greg Jennings over Moose and Berrian any day of the week, no question.

I love how Packers fans love to hype up their wide recievers and talk about how good they are and then blame Favre's lack of weapons as the reason for his current mediocrity. You can't have it both ways.

And the highlighted yards makes no sense at all. You realize that Grossman is averaging over a full yard per attempt than Favre right? Favre has more yards because they are constantly playing from behind so he is always throwing the ball.

And my point original point was that our QB situation is better than yours. What's your future? Do you have any idea what Rodgers can do for you? I would take a commodity that is at least somewhat proven than a kid who hasn't even sniffed the field yet.

Nitschke-Hawk 10-27-2006 12:30 PM

Rex Grossman would even tell you he's overrated, remember that MVP talk a few weeks ago, hahahaha.


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