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detknowitall 11-05-2006 06:10 PM

WR Roy Williams Elite top 10???
 
Is Roy Williams a Top 10 WR in the League?

I have my own opinions on this but I wanted to see what others thought.

bearsfan_51 11-05-2006 06:12 PM

I don't see how he's not. Still needs to shut his mouth though.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) 11-05-2006 06:13 PM

If not now, soon. At least 1 WR turned out for the Lions.

On a side note, whenever I see names like detknowitall and detroitsports, I always think it's Scubba.

Shane P. Hallam 11-05-2006 06:19 PM

We'll look into that.

And no, he is not a Top 10 WR in the NFL. There are so many good ones.

bearfan 11-05-2006 06:20 PM

I think he is, he has great talent, but I think top 5 would be a stretch. Maybe 7-10 would be best

Space Ghost 11-05-2006 06:23 PM

I would say that he is, he is making those easy catches this year that he hadn't been in his first two years plus he is still making those outstanding acrobatic one handed receptions.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) 11-05-2006 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
We'll look into that.

And no, he is not a Top 10 WR in the NFL. There are so many good ones.


I don't think they're scubba, just always when I see the thread starter name. They're way too low key for Scubba. And I voted yes, but now I think I'd change it to no after thinking about it, as you said there are just SO MANY great WRs in this league.

Shane P. Hallam 11-05-2006 06:28 PM

I'm just going to list names. In no way am I saying that these guys are all better than him:

Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
Torry Holt
Chad Johnson
Hines Ward
Steve Smith
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Santana Moss
Javon Walker
Andre Johnson

Joe Horn
Plaxico Burress
Darrell Jackson
Donald Driver
Chris Chambers
Lav. Coles


Out of these guys, I think you can find AT LEAST 10 who you think is better than Roy. Even if they are on bad teams, with bad QBs, O-lines, whatever. Some are better WRs.

Vikes99ej 11-05-2006 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
I'm just going to list names. In no way am I saying that these guys are all better than him:

Marvin Harrison

Reggie Wayne
Torry Holt
Chad Johnson
Hines Ward
Steve Smith
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Santana Moss
Javon Walker
Andre Johnson

Joe Horn

Plaxico Burress
Darrell Jackson
Donald Driver
Chris Chambers
Lav. Coles


Out of these guys, I think you can find AT LEAST 10 who you think is better than Roy. Even if they are on bad teams, with bad QBs, O-lines, whatever. Some are better WRs.

Very good point, Jbond.

detknowitall 11-05-2006 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearfan54
I think he is, he has great talent, but I think top 5 would be a stretch. Maybe 7-10 would be best

I have my own top recievers list and thats why I asked if he was top 10 not top 5.

TitleTown088 11-05-2006 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikes99ej
Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
I'm just going to list names. In no way am I saying that these guys are all better than him:

Marvin Harrison

Reggie Wayne
Torry Holt
Chad Johnson
Hines Ward
Steve Smith
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Santana Moss
Javon Walker
Andre Johnson

Joe Horn

Plaxico Burress
Darrell Jackson
Donald Driver
Chris Chambers
Lav. Coles


Out of these guys, I think you can find AT LEAST 10 who you think is better than Roy. Even if they are on bad teams, with bad QBs, O-lines, whatever. Some are better WRs.

Very good point, Jbond.

yes, i concur.

Ravens1991 11-05-2006 06:51 PM

I think he is. I think you could argue he is in the 7-10 range like bearsfan said.

BuckNaked 11-05-2006 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitleTown088
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikes99ej
Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
I'm just going to list names. In no way am I saying that these guys are all better than him:

Marvin Harrison

Reggie Wayne
Torry Holt
Chad Johnson
Hines Ward
Steve Smith
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Santana Moss
Javon Walker
Andre Johnson

Joe Horn

Plaxico Burress
Darrell Jackson
Donald Driver
Chris Chambers
Lav. Coles


Out of these guys, I think you can find AT LEAST 10 who you think is better than Roy. Even if they are on bad teams, with bad QBs, O-lines, whatever. Some are better WRs.

Very good point, Jbond.

yes, i concur.

At this point in all of their careers, I believe Roy Williams is better than Joe Horn and Randy Moss.

TitleTown088 11-05-2006 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckNaked
Quote:

Originally Posted by TitleTown088
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikes99ej
Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
I'm just going to list names. In no way am I saying that these guys are all better than him:

Marvin Harrison

Reggie Wayne
Torry Holt
Chad Johnson
Hines Ward
Steve Smith
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Santana Moss
Javon Walker
Andre Johnson

Joe Horn

Plaxico Burress
Darrell Jackson
Donald Driver
Chris Chambers
Lav. Coles


Out of these guys, I think you can find AT LEAST 10 who you think is better than Roy. Even if they are on bad teams, with bad QBs, O-lines, whatever. Some are better WRs.

Very good point, Jbond.

yes, i concur.

At this point in all of their careers, I believe Roy Williams is better than Joe Horn and Randy Moss.

whatever you say....

SeanTaylorRIP 11-05-2006 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
I'm just going to list names. In no way am I saying that these guys are all better than him:

Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
Torry Holt
Chad Johnson
Hines Ward
Steve Smith
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Santana Moss
Javon Walker
Andre Johnson

Joe Horn
Plaxico Burress
Darrell Jackson
Donald Driver
Chris Chambers
Lav. Coles


Out of these guys, I think you can find AT LEAST 10 who you think is better than Roy. Even if they are on bad teams, with bad QBs, O-lines, whatever. Some are better WRs.

He'd be around 10-12 for me.

Space Ghost 11-05-2006 06:57 PM

Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Steve Smith
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Javon Walker
Andre Johnson
Donald Driver

Well, that would be my top 10, so I guess you can change my Yes to a No. By the way, I do notice that Chad Johnson is not on my list.

4pAc 11-05-2006 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Space Ghost
Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Steve Smith
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss-Chad Johnson
Javon Walker
Andre Johnson
Donald Driver-Roy Willams

Well, that would be my top 10, so I guess you can change my Yes to a No. By the way, I do notice that Chad Johnson is not on my list.

thats my opinion

mgoblue 11-05-2006 07:07 PM

Randy Moss
Steve Smith
Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Larry Fitzgerald
Roy Williams
Chad Johnson
Terrell Owens
Anquan Boldin
Andre Johnson

so yes imo he is

jmanz 11-05-2006 07:09 PM

Top 10 for sure, he's the real deal.

Zim3031 11-05-2006 07:12 PM

off the top of my head

Torry Holt
Marvin Harrison
Steve Smith
Anquan Boldin
Reggie Wayne
Terrell Owens
Javon Walker
Roy Williams
Larry Fitzgerald
Lav. Coles

Yeah I'd put him in there.

Shane P. Hallam 11-05-2006 07:33 PM

Even with off years, to put him above Chad Johnson or TO is ridic. Likewise, Fitzgerald and Boldin both have had more production than him. I love Roy Williams, any of my friends will tell you that. But Top 10 is stretching it.

Zim3031 11-05-2006 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
Even with off years, to put him above Chad Johnson or TO is ridic. Likewise, Fitzgerald and Boldin both have had more production than him. I love Roy Williams, any of my friends will tell you that. But Top 10 is stretching it.

Even with those, there's Holt, Harrison, maybe Walker, Smith and maybe Wayne.

After that it's really all toss ups. Randy Moss is clearly past his prime, Santana Moss hasn't been very consistent this year or throughout his career really.

Roy Williams has been a damn good receiver this year.

Shane P. Hallam 11-05-2006 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zim3031
Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
Even with off years, to put him above Chad Johnson or TO is ridic. Likewise, Fitzgerald and Boldin both have had more production than him. I love Roy Williams, any of my friends will tell you that. But Top 10 is stretching it.

Even with those, there's Holt, Harrison, maybe Walker, Smith and maybe Wayne.

After that it's really all toss ups. Randy Moss is clearly past his prime, Santana Moss hasn't been very consistent this year or throughout his career really.

Roy Williams has been a damn good receiver this year.

I mean, we're talking total package. You'd put Fitzgerald behind him? TO? Anquan Boldin? that seems so hard to do. Plus you have guys like Andre Johnson who have the skill set but not the team, Ward who is consistant, etc.

BuckNaked 11-05-2006 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zim3031
Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
Even with off years, to put him above Chad Johnson or TO is ridic. Likewise, Fitzgerald and Boldin both have had more production than him. I love Roy Williams, any of my friends will tell you that. But Top 10 is stretching it.

Even with those, there's Holt, Harrison, maybe Walker, Smith and maybe Wayne.

After that it's really all toss ups. Randy Moss is clearly past his prime, Santana Moss hasn't been very consistent this year or throughout his career really.

Roy Williams has been a damn good receiver this year.

I mean, we're talking total package. You'd put Fitzgerald behind him? TO? Anquan Boldin? that seems so hard to do. Plus you have guys like Andre Johnson who have the skill set but not the team, Ward who is consistant, etc.

IMO, Terrell Owens has done absolutely nothing this year to make me consider him an elite reciever. Like when he dropped that 4th down pass a couple of weeks ago, or when he missed that definite touchdown this week that probably would've won them the game.

Shane P. Hallam 11-05-2006 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckNaked
Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zim3031
Quote:

Originally Posted by JBond93
Even with off years, to put him above Chad Johnson or TO is ridic. Likewise, Fitzgerald and Boldin both have had more production than him. I love Roy Williams, any of my friends will tell you that. But Top 10 is stretching it.

Even with those, there's Holt, Harrison, maybe Walker, Smith and maybe Wayne.

After that it's really all toss ups. Randy Moss is clearly past his prime, Santana Moss hasn't been very consistent this year or throughout his career really.

Roy Williams has been a damn good receiver this year.

I mean, we're talking total package. You'd put Fitzgerald behind him? TO? Anquan Boldin? that seems so hard to do. Plus you have guys like Andre Johnson who have the skill set but not the team, Ward who is consistant, etc.

IMO, Terrell Owens has done absolutely nothing this year to make me consider him an elite reciever. Like when he dropped that 4th down pass a couple of weeks ago, or when he missed that definite touchdown this week that probably would've won them the game.

But you speak like this year is all that matters. I'm not saying their careers, but years vary. As a whole in terms of talent, TO is more talented than Roy. Roy drops passes too.


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