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GB12 11-21-2006 04:01 PM

Big Ten Awards
 
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11-21-2006 04:08 PM

James Hardy had a better statistical season than Anthony Gonzalez in every single category, despite playing less games. But hey he plays for OSU and Hardy plays for IU so let's put him on instead. :roll:

11-21-2006 04:23 PM

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James Hardy had a better statistical season than Anthony Gonzalez in every single category, despite playing less games. But hey he plays for OSU and Hardy plays for IU so let's put him on instead.
The award goes to the best player, not to the guy with the best stats.

duckseason 11-21-2006 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland31
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James Hardy had a better statistical season than Anthony Gonzalez in every single category, despite playing less games. But hey he plays for OSU and Hardy plays for IU so let's put him on instead.
The award goes to the best player, not to the guy with the best stats.

I guess that explains why Mike Hass won the Biletnikoff last year.

11-21-2006 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland31
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James Hardy had a better statistical season than Anthony Gonzalez in every single category, despite playing less games. But hey he plays for OSU and Hardy plays for IU so let's put him on instead.
The award goes to the best player, not to the guy with the best stats.

The player that played the best has the best stats buddy.

Solomon 11-21-2006 04:31 PM

imo Mitch King should be on the second team over Patterson, I'm surprised he wasn't even an honorable mention.

NickBam 11-21-2006 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsalltheway
James Hardy had a better statistical season than Anthony Gonzalez in every single category, despite playing less games. But hey he plays for OSU and Hardy plays for IU so let's put him on instead. :roll:

Obviously the coaches see something the media doesn't since Gonzo is Honorable Mention by the media.

keylime_5 11-21-2006 04:53 PM

I think they should've swapped Ginn and Gonzo for first and second team honors, but it really doesn't matter. Ginn is a better player and he had more catches, yards, and touchdowns, but oh well. I'm also baffled how Alex Boone didn't even catch HM all big ten - he's only our most talented lineman.

Dam8610 11-21-2006 05:05 PM

Spencer got his spot. I'm happy.

draftguru151 11-21-2006 05:09 PM

Looks pretty good overall. That DL is ridiculous. Woodley, Branch, Pitcock, Spencer, nasty.

11-21-2006 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NickBam
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Originally Posted by cardsalltheway
James Hardy had a better statistical season than Anthony Gonzalez in every single category, despite playing less games. But hey he plays for OSU and Hardy plays for IU so let's put him on instead. :roll:

Obviously the coaches see something the media doesn't since Gonzo is Honorable Mention by the media.

I honestly think the Media does a better job of these teams and polls. I mean the coaches gave Purdue votes for the top 25 this week. :lol:

Didn't see the Media before. Good to see Hardy and Porter on there. Would have liked to see Myers get Honorable Mention but meh.

11-21-2006 05:16 PM

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I honestly think the Media does a better job of these teams and polls. I mean the coaches gave Purdue votes for the top 25 this week.
Im pretty sure coaches would know players alot better than the media would. There with these guys all week long, not just Saturdays for College Game Day.

11-21-2006 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland31
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I honestly think the Media does a better job of these teams and polls. I mean the coaches gave Purdue votes for the top 25 this week.
Im pretty sure coaches would know players alot better than the media would. There with these guys all week long, not just Saturdays for College Game Day.

Explain to me how coaches of other teams are with players every single day.

11-21-2006 05:23 PM

THEY ARE COACHES OF THE SAME CONFERENCE (hint why it is the Big Ten awards). Which means once to twice a year each coach gets an entire week to prepare for another Big ten school. The media doesnt do this, the coaches are the ones that know everything.

Why are you argueing that the media has better knowledge over the players than the coaches? It isnt even close!!!!

Coaches recruit them, coach then, scout them, etc......



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Explain to me how coaches of other teams are with players every single day.
Ummmm I never said that, I said they practice with their own teams and scout other teams all week.

11-21-2006 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland31
THEY ARE COACHES OF THE SAME CONFERENCE (hint why it is the Big Ten awards). Which means once to twice a year each coach gets an entire week to prepare for another Big ten school. The media doesnt do this, the coaches are the ones that know everything.

Why are you argueing that coaches have a better understanding over the media? It isnt even close!!!!

Actually it is very debatable. How can you say that Gonzalez deserves it more than Hardy? Please explain that to me.

11-21-2006 05:27 PM

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Actually it is very debatable. How can you say that Gonzalez deserves it more than Hardy? Please explain that to me.
I shouldnt have to explain why, the Big Ten coaches should, cause there the people that picked and obviously they know more than you so.....

11-21-2006 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland31
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Actually it is very debatable. How can you say that Gonzalez deserves it more than Hardy? Please explain that to me.
I shouldnt have to explain why, the Big Ten coaches should, cause there the people that picked and obviously they know more than you so.....

You could just say that you're an OSU homer. That would have been much quicker to type.

SeanTaylorRIP 11-21-2006 05:29 PM

Gonzalez doesn't deserve it more than Hardy. Hardy put up better stats with less support. Gonzo has TedGinn, Troy Smith, Antonio Pittman, and Chris Wells to take pressure off him, for much of the year he was single covered by #2 and worse CB's. Everyone knows Hardy is gonna get the ball but he still produces.

11-21-2006 05:31 PM

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You could just say that you're an OSU homer. That would have been much quicker to type.
Why am I a homer because the Big Ten coaches voted Gonzalez? i had nothing to do with the voting, Im just saying more knowledgable people than all of us combine think differently so THERE!

11-21-2006 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland31
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You could just say that you're an OSU homer. That would have been much quicker to type.
Why am I a homer because the Big Ten coaches voted Gonzalez? i had nothing to do with the voting, Im just saying more knowledgable people than all of us combine think differently so THERE!

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The award goes to the best player
You said he was better and I am debating that with you. I think you give coaches way too much credit. They're not all the football geniuses you think they are. They are easily blinded by a player's name and school and don't see them play every game, like much of the media does.

11-21-2006 05:35 PM

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You said he was better and I am debating that with you. I think you give coaches way too much credit. They're not all the football geniuses you think they are. They are easily blinded by a player's name and school and don't see them play every game, like much of the media does.
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN!!!!!......

the coaches voted him as a better player, call them out in a meesage board if your sour, NOT ME!!!

Gonzalez will be a first round draft pick, its hard to say any of the Indiana WR's will go first round, it never happens. The coaches know best, not your opinion!

11-21-2006 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland31
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You said he was better and I am debating that with you. I think you give coaches way too much credit. They're not all the football geniuses you think they are. They are easily blinded by a player's name and school and don't see them play every game, like much of the media does.
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN!!!!!......

the coaches voted him as a better player, call them out in a meesage board if your sour, NOT ME!!!

Gonzalez will be a first round draft pick, its hard to say any of the Indiana WR's will go first round, it never happens. The coaches know best, not your opinion!

Hardy could easily be a first round pick. You really don't know what you're talking about do you? I'm guessing you've never seen IU other than when they played OSU.

11-21-2006 05:39 PM

Keep argueing, maybe the coaches will get scared and change their minds!

Gonzalez is 1st team all big ten, end of discussion.

NickBam 11-21-2006 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsalltheway
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Originally Posted by Cleveland31
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You said he was better and I am debating that with you. I think you give coaches way too much credit. They're not all the football geniuses you think they are. They are easily blinded by a player's name and school and don't see them play every game, like much of the media does.
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN!!!!!......

the coaches voted him as a better player, call them out in a meesage board if your sour, NOT ME!!!

Gonzalez will be a first round draft pick, its hard to say any of the Indiana WR's will go first round, it never happens. The coaches know best, not your opinion!

Hardy could easily be a first round pick. You really don't know what you're talking about do you? I'm guessing you've never seen IU other than when they played OSU.

Gonzo looks to be no worse then a second round pick (he's #4 on Mel Kiper's junior WR list I believe), but Hardy is filthy, to put it simply.

11-21-2006 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland31
Keep argueing, maybe the coaches will get scared and change their minds!

Gonzalez is 1st team all bif ten, end of discussion.

Now I see why people hate you so much. Whenever you get into arguement with someone, you either make things up or make points that are completely irrelevant. Am I correct that you have never seen IU play other than against OSU? Also, do you agree that Gonzalez should be all big ten over Hardy?


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