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Old 05-08-2008, 05:18 AM    (permalink
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How good of a prospect is this guy? Is he just a canidate for the top QB spot in next years draft just because the senior class is so weak at the position, or is he legit? I know he was considered the best player in the country comming out of high school by some.
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Atm I would say that a lot of the hype is due to a very poor senior class but he has all the tools you look for. If he performs as expected this year he'll be the top QB, he'll get drafted in the top 3 imo.
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Atm I would say that a lot of the hype is due to a very poor senior class but he has all the tools you look for. If he performs as expected this year he'll be the top QB, he'll get drafted in the top 3 imo.
Same thing with Matt Ryan, IMO.
And downthefield, are you talking bout henne or stafford?
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:53 AM    (permalink
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Atm I would say that a lot of the hype is due to a very poor senior class but he has all the tools you look for. If he performs as expected this year he'll be the top QB, he'll get drafted in the top 3 imo.
Top 3???

What has he done to be mentioned as a top 3 prospect? He has a big arm and good physical tools, but no way should he be a top 10 prospect right now. His accuracy, decision making and leadership are all questionable right now.

I have him as a late first-early second rounder right now.
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Top 3???

What has he done to be mentioned as a top 3 prospect? He has a big arm and good physical tools, but no way should he be a top 10 prospect right now. His accuracy, decision making and leadership are all questionable right now.

I have him as a late first-early second rounder right now.
Players with huge arms rise like crazy during the draft process.

Evidence: JaMarcus Russell, Joe Flacco, etc
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Players with huge arms rise like crazy during the draft process.

Evidence: JaMarcus Russell, Joe Flacco, etc
See someone like Chad Henne or Kevin O'Connell. They both have big arms, a big arm won't necessarily make you go high.

Flacco went mid first, and that's where I would see Stafford at, at the highest.
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See someone like Chad Henne or Kevin O'Connell. They both have big arms, a big arm won't necessarily make you go high.

Flacco went mid first, and that's where I would see Stafford at, at the highest.
Except Flacco came sort of out of nowhere. He played at Delaware. Stafford has already had talks about being a first round pick (possible top 10 pick). Stafford has played in the SEC.

Even if he has an average year, worthy of a mid first round, late first round pick, he is going to jump up the draft boards.
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See someone like Chad Henne or Kevin O'Connell. They both have big arms, a big arm won't necessarily make you go high.

Flacco went mid first, and that's where I would see Stafford at, at the highest.
Kevin O'Connell went ridiculously high considering his college production.
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See someone like Chad Henne or Kevin O'Connell. They both have big arms, a big arm won't necessarily make you go high.

Flacco went mid first, and that's where I would see Stafford at, at the highest.
Flacco and O'Connell have nothing on Stafford or Jamarcus in terms of strength.
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Top 3???

What has he done to be mentioned as a top 3 prospect? He has a big arm and good physical tools, but no way should he be a top 10 prospect right now. His accuracy, decision making and leadership are all questionable right now.
I have him as a late first-early second rounder right now.
There would be a lot of good teams out there who would like to see him drop to late in the first round like you mention. In reality he is probably going to see his stock actually go up when he can work out for teams where his arm will stand out even more than it does now.
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There would be a lot of good teams out there who would like to see him drop to late in the first round like you mention. In reality he is probably going to see his stock actually go up when he can work out for teams where his arm will stand out even more than it does now.
You know, there is more to a prospect than just a big arm..
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Has all the physical tools you look for in a QB... The question is can he perform to his full potential... The sky is the limit for this kid in my opinion.
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If Stafford comes out, he has a chance at being at the top of the QB board. Certainly, as of now, this is based partially on the combination of potential, position, and a weak class, because despite all the accolades, the kid is still raw. That said, if he takes big leaps forward this year in terms of consistency, then we might be talking a year later about a very deserving top of the draft QB talent.

I will say this - at this point in time, I think Stafford is a better QB talent than Tim Tebow. To what degree, well, that's hard for me to say, but I think it's by a recognizable amount in my head right now (put it this way, on a random scale of 100(this is just to demonstrate the difference in my mind), I would put Stafford at, say, an 80, and Tebow at say, a 70 in terms of Qb'ing ability). Now, Tebow is an awesome physical talent, something that will definitely intrigue, and if he takes strides forward, as past QB's in Urban's system have with additional time, then he could very well end up ahead.

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If Stafford comes out, he has a chance at being at the top of the QB board. Certainly, as of now, this is based partially on the combination of potential, position, and a weak class, because despite all the accolades, the kid is still raw. That said, if he takes big leaps forward this year in terms of consistency, then we might be talking a year later about a very deserving top of the draft QB talent.

I will say this - at this point in time, I think Stafford is a better QB talent than Tim Tebow. To what degree, well, that's hard for me to say, but I think it's by a recognizable amount in my head right now (put it this way, on a random scale of 100(this is just to demonstrate the difference in my mind), I would put Stafford at, say, an 80, and Tebow at say, a 70 in terms of Qb'ing ability). Now, Tebow is an awesome physical talent, something that will definitely intrigue, and if he takes strides forward, as past QB's in Urban's system have with additional time, then he could very well end up ahead.
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Stafford has bad fundimentals. He throws with all arm and off his back foot a lot. If he corrects that he could be scary. Bad mechanics like that will lead to a lot of arrent throws.
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Stafford has bad fundimentals. He throws with all arm and off his back foot a lot. If he corrects that he could be scary. Bad mechanics like that will lead to a lot of arrent throws.
I would say the best natural ability at that position since Peyton Manning. He hasnt exactly had the best receiving corp down there and i think he has a little too much confidence in that arm at times but i think Mel Kiper was right when he said the kid will be the top player in the draft when he comes out. Especially to a team that needs a QB.
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He has a legit shot at going #1 overall in next year's draft but he will have to have an excellent senior season to do it, it's not a given. He simply hasn't been an accurrate passer so far in his college career and he must improve that or he'll slide. He has the most natural ability since Palmer but he's nowhere near as accurate so far. However, it isn't at all unusual for a senior QB to put it all together his last year in college and we'll just have to wait to see if he can do it.
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He has a legit shot at going #1 overall in next year's draft but he will have to have an excellent senior season to do it, it's not a given. He simply hasn't been an accurrate passer so far in his college career and he must improve that or he'll slide. He has the most natural ability since Palmer but he's nowhere near as accurate so far. However, it isn't at all unusual for a senior QB to put it all together his last year in college and we'll just have to wait to see if he can do it.
He's going to be a junior.
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Stafford has all the tools to be a great one, he just needs to put it all together for one full season. If he can't do it this year, I could see a Carson Palmer-like season his senior year.
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It's funny you said that, because I was thinking the exact same thing. I don't know if many people remember, but a lot of people were even down on Palmer because he had only put together one good season as QB for USC.
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Is this such a weak QB class because there's not much early 1st round talent? Because I can see 7 quarterbacks going in the first three rounds...
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Is this such a weak QB class because there's not much early 1st round talent? Because I can see 7 quarterbacks going in the first three rounds...
Interesting point, I can't see a first round senior QB atm but I think Painter/Harper/Cantwell could sneak in if they have good seasons. Which seven are you thinking of?
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Interesting point, I can't see a first round senior QB atm but I think Painter/Harper/Cantwell could sneak in if they have good seasons. Which seven are you thinking of?
Tim Tebow, Matthew Stafford, Curtis Painter, Hunter Cantwell, Cullen Harper and possibly Chase Daniel and Graham Harrell.
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Tim Tebow, Matthew Stafford, Curtis Painter, Hunter Cantwell, Cullen Harper and possibly Chase Daniel and Graham Harrell.
Deep down I know it won't happen but if Beockman developed just an ounce of real pocket presence and chose intelligently when to tuck it and run he could be in that conversation. Physically he's everything you'd want, although he is a tad old.
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I think Painter could definitely go in the first and possibly be the first QB off the board. So much changes from now until April. I'm not so sure if Stafford will be on top.
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