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Martin Mayhew has also been named the GM.

Everyone fired on staff except Colletto is demoted to O-line coach. Gash retained. Both have ties to Brian Billick. I'm think Billick will be the next Lions coach. Just a hunch.

And yes I could see Rod in Chicago as Dline coach maybe Coordinator. Would be interesting. Him focusing on the Dline again would be a good thing for him.

http://www.detroitlions.com/document...ment_id=479753
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Well at least there's some good news for Bears fans. I'm a big Brian Billick fan however.
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Everyone fired on staff except Colletto is demoted to O-line coach. Gash retained. Both have ties to Brian Billick. I'm think Billick will be the next Lions coach. Just a hunch.

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Martin Mayhew has also been named the GM.

Everyone fired on staff except Colletto is demoted to O-line coach. Gash retained. Both have ties to Brian Billick. I'm think Billick will be the next Lions coach. Just a hunch.

And yes I could see Rod in Chicago as Dline coach maybe Coordinator. Would be interesting. Him focusing on the Dline again would be a good thing for him.

http://www.detroitlions.com/document...ment_id=479753
If that's the case then that'd be a good move for the Lions. I like Brian Billick and think he'd be a good hire for the team. Billick's teams in Baltimore were always competitive. If he is hired, however, that would mean that he won't use a Tampa 2 defense and leaves a possiblity of converting it into a 3-4 or hybrid D.
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Both have ties to Brian Billick. I'm think Billick will be the next Lions coach. Just a hunch.

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Martin Mayhew has also been named the GM.

Everyone fired on staff except Colletto is demoted to O-line coach. Gash retained. Both have ties to Brian Billick. I'm think Billick will be the next Lions coach. Just a hunch.

And yes I could see Rod in Chicago as Dline coach maybe Coordinator. Would be interesting. Him focusing on the Dline again would be a good thing for him.

http://www.detroitlions.com/document...ment_id=479753
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So we need an assitant GM and a new assistant pro personnel guy. They fired the old one was the only other front office move made.

Lewand was here way before Millen so no suprise that he stays. He doesnt' make the football decisions so no big deal.

Mayhew has alot to prove. Obviously probably a bad move, but who knows maybe he disagreed with the majority of Millens moves and just kept his mouth shut. Unlikely, most likely a bad move but I'll at least give him a chance after the Roy trade going heavily in our favor. I'm not expecting much from this team anyway unless free agents decide to do some charity work and come to Detroit and we hit on the drafts with 5 early picks.
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I actually feel a bit bad for him because he comes off as such a nice guy. Can't defend him however, he was not a good coach to say the least.
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The thing about it is, yes, Rod wasn't a very good head coach. But did he have all that much to work with? Unless there's a complete roster overhaul ala Miami this year, is any other coach really going to do much better? Sure, maybe the Lions go 2-14 or 3-13, so I guess that's an improvement. But IMO, just about every single starting spot on the team could be upgraded. Going through the roster I can see something like a minimum of 15 starting positions that could be upgraded.
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The thing about it is, yes, Rod wasn't a very good head coach. But did he have all that much to work with? Unless there's a complete roster overhaul ala Miami this year, is any other coach really going to do much better? Sure, maybe the Lions go 2-14 or 3-13, so I guess that's an improvement. But IMO, just about every single starting spot on the team could be upgraded. Going through the roster I can see something like a minimum of 15 starting positions that could be upgraded.
Wide Receiver is the only one I see where they have any value... Cliff Avril also played nicely in the closing weeks from what I remember.
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The thing about it is, yes, Rod wasn't a very good head coach. But did he have all that much to work with? Unless there's a complete roster overhaul ala Miami this year, is any other coach really going to do much better? Sure, maybe the Lions go 2-14 or 3-13, so I guess that's an improvement. But IMO, just about every single starting spot on the team could be upgraded. Going through the roster I can see something like a minimum of 15starting positions that could be upgraded.
The thing is, it WAS Rods fault for this defense being as awful as it is. Not because of his teaching abilities but ROD made a lot of personnel moves this year. Millen pull the triggerred. But Rod wanted Shaun Rogers gone(because of his attitude) and to replace him Chuck Darby(former Buc), Rod wanted Brian Kelly, Rod wanted Dwight Smith, Rod wanted Ryan Nece. The team is molded how Rod wanted. Small and theoretically fast, but this team isn't very fast. Dizon fits Rods mold but Rod only trusts veterans to Lenons gets the start and Dizon looks like a bust because of his size. DEs, Rod did a decent job but DeWayne White has fallen off in the second half the last 3 years(another former Buc), Avril looks good but seriously needs to bulk up, DeVries is a backup and nothing more. Bullocks can't cover. Gerald Alexander got hurt. Alama Francis could be Rod or Millen but busted. DT was a mess, Redding needs help but when he is by himself he was awful. Rod is just as much to blame in personnel for this year. Plus he put Colletto as OC and Barry as the DC not Millen.
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The thing is, it WAS Rods fault for this defense being as awful as it is. Not because of his teaching abilities but ROD made a lot of personnel moves this year. Millen pull the triggerred. But Rod wanted Shaun Rogers gone(because of his attitude) and to replace him Chuck Darby(former Buc), Rod wanted Brian Kelly, Rod wanted Dwight Smith, Rod wanted Ryan Nece. The team is molded how Rod wanted. Small and theoretically fast, but this team isn't very fast. Dizon fits Rods mold but Rod only trusts veterans to Lenons gets the start and Dizon looks like a bust because of his size. DEs, Rod did a decent job but DeWayne White has fallen off in the second half the last 3 years(another former Buc), Avril looks good but seriously needs to bulk up, DeVries is a backup and nothing more. Bullocks can't cover. Gerald Alexander got hurt. Alama Francis could be Rod or Millen but busted. DT was a mess, Redding needs help but when he is by himself he was awful. Rod is just as much to blame in personnel for this year. Plus he put Colletto as OC and Barry as the DC not Millen.
I'm npt trying to say Rod wasn't a part of that. This is no defense for Rod. But let's be honest. We can go back in the annals of Lions draft history here and see what led up to this season.

2001-Backus, Raiola, Shaun Rogers, Scotty Anderson, Mike McMahon, Jason Glenn. All of those guys are either no longer with the team, no longer in the NFL, or could easily be upgraded. Rogers was a good pick, but he's no longer with the team.

2002-Harrington, Kalimba Edwards, Andre Goodman, John Taylor, John Owens, Chris Cash, Luke Staley, Matt Murphy, Victor Rogers. Nine draft picks, not one starter this year.

2003-Charles Rogers, Boss Bailey, Cory Redding, Artose Pinner, Terrence Holt, James Davis, David Kircus, Ben Johnson, Blue Adams, Brandon Drumm, Travis Anglin. One starter from this draft, and it's a guy that needs a stud next to him to be effective

2004-Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, Teddy Lehman, Keith Smith, Alex Lewis, Kelly Butler. One starter, and let's be honest, Alex Lewis should not be a starter.

2005-Mike Williams, Shaun Cody, Stanley Wilson, Dan Orlovsky, Bill Swancutt, Johnathan Goddard. Basically nothing.

2006-Ernie Sims, Daniel Bullocks, Brian Calhoun, Jonathan Scott, Dee McCann, Fred Matua, Anthony Cannon. Two starters. Bullocks has been decent. Sims is athletic, but he hasn't played well this year. He overpursues everything. If he doesn't learn to play within a defense, he's never going to live up to his draft position.

We really can't judge the last two drafts yet, but there aren't a ton of guys in either one that really look all that good.

Again, I'm not defending Rod. He should have been fired. But no coach that comes in is going to be successful with the complete lack of NFL talent on the roster. The entire front office should have been fired as well. Unless the roster is completely turned over, this team is not going to be any more successful next year or any other year than it was this year, and it doesn't matter who the coach is next year.
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We really can't judge the last two drafts yet, but there aren't a ton of guys in either one that really look all that good.
I'll take Calvin off of your hands if he doesn't really look all that good to you. He looks all that good to me, lol.
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Did I say that no one looked good? No, I said there weren't a ton of guys that looked good, ie. what you'd like to get out of a draft which is like 3 starters. Yes, CJ is a beast. Anyone else from that draft look all that great so far?
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I'm npt trying to say Rod wasn't a part of that. This is no defense for Rod. But let's be honest. We can go back in the annals of Lions draft history here and see what led up to this season.

2001-Backus, Raiola, Shaun Rogers, Scotty Anderson, Mike McMahon, Jason Glenn. All of those guys are either no longer with the team, no longer in the NFL, or could easily be upgraded. Rogers was a good pick, but he's no longer with the team.

2002-Harrington, Kalimba Edwards, Andre Goodman, John Taylor, John Owens, Chris Cash, Luke Staley, Matt Murphy, Victor Rogers. Nine draft picks, not one starter this year.

2003-Charles Rogers, Boss Bailey, Cory Redding, Artose Pinner, Terrence Holt, James Davis, David Kircus, Ben Johnson, Blue Adams, Brandon Drumm, Travis Anglin. One starter from this draft, and it's a guy that needs a stud next to him to be effective

2004-Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, Teddy Lehman, Keith Smith, Alex Lewis, Kelly Butler. One starter, and let's be honest, Alex Lewis should not be a starter.

2005-Mike Williams, Shaun Cody, Stanley Wilson, Dan Orlovsky, Bill Swancutt, Johnathan Goddard. Basically nothing.

2006-Ernie Sims, Daniel Bullocks, Brian Calhoun, Jonathan Scott, Dee McCann, Fred Matua, Anthony Cannon. Two starters. Bullocks has been decent. Sims is athletic, but he hasn't played well this year. He overpursues everything. If he doesn't learn to play within a defense, he's never going to live up to his draft position.

We really can't judge the last two drafts yet, but there aren't a ton of guys in either one that really look all that good.

Again, I'm not defending Rod. He should have been fired. But no coach that comes in is going to be successful with the complete lack of NFL talent on the roster. The entire front office should have been fired as well. Unless the roster is completely turned over, this team is not going to be any more successful next year or any other year than it was this year, and it doesn't matter who the coach is next year.
I agree. The only thing I blame Marinelli for is remaining quiet while Millen flushed him down the drain by continuing to draft offensive players with his #1 pick. It showed me he wasn't cut out to be a HC but the blame for this mess rests squarely on WCF and Millen's shoulders. This team was a disaster just waiting to happen. Of course Millen Hired Marinelli because he knew Marinelli was the good solder who wouldn't criticize him publicly. After Mooch Millen wanted a HC who would remain loyal.
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I'm npt trying to say Rod wasn't a part of that. This is no defense for Rod. But let's be honest. We can go back in the annals of Lions draft history here and see what led up to this season.

2001-Backus, Raiola, Shaun Rogers, Scotty Anderson, Mike McMahon, Jason Glenn. All of those guys are either no longer with the team, no longer in the NFL, or could easily be upgraded. Rogers was a good pick, but he's no longer with the team.

2002-Harrington, Kalimba Edwards, Andre Goodman, John Taylor, John Owens, Chris Cash, Luke Staley, Matt Murphy, Victor Rogers. Nine draft picks, not one starter this year.

2003-Charles Rogers, Boss Bailey, Cory Redding, Artose Pinner, Terrence Holt, James Davis, David Kircus, Ben Johnson, Blue Adams, Brandon Drumm, Travis Anglin. One starter from this draft, and it's a guy that needs a stud next to him to be effective

2004-Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, Teddy Lehman, Keith Smith, Alex Lewis, Kelly Butler. One starter, and let's be honest, Alex Lewis should not be a starter.

2005-Mike Williams, Shaun Cody, Stanley Wilson, Dan Orlovsky, Bill Swancutt, Johnathan Goddard. Basically nothing.

2006-Ernie Sims, Daniel Bullocks, Brian Calhoun, Jonathan Scott, Dee McCann, Fred Matua, Anthony Cannon. Two starters. Bullocks has been decent. Sims is athletic, but he hasn't played well this year. He overpursues everything. If he doesn't learn to play within a defense, he's never going to live up to his draft position.

We really can't judge the last two drafts yet, but there aren't a ton of guys in either one that really look all that good.

Again, I'm not defending Rod. He should have been fired. But no coach that comes in is going to be successful with the complete lack of NFL talent on the roster. The entire front office should have been fired as well. Unless the roster is completely turned over, this team is not going to be any more successful next year or any other year than it was this year, and it doesn't matter who the coach is next year.
Agreed we need better personnel bottomline. A good experienced coach with heavy input on personnel might help. But also we do need better coaches because Marinelli and his staff were not good coaches either. Millen pretty much did what he wanted until this year when he made moves Marinelli wanted. Both Millens moves and Marinellis moves were epic failures.

Technically we do have a new GM from last offseason. Problem is Mayhew has the stink of Millen on him. However, Millen had the final say in all football decisions so I won't penalize Mayhew for that. I'll give him a chance but I won't expect much from another inexperienced GM. Who knows maybe he disagreed with Millen on some of the picks and Millen just did what he wanted.

It's a collective effort as well. We'll see if we change any other scouts or pro personnel other than the one other change we made. Plus we'll see how much input the head coach has on personnel decisions as well. So far Mayhew has made 2 moves. One great move on a trade for Roy and he picked up Daunte for cheap and now has the option to release him for nothing. I don't expect much so anything he does will suprise me. The head coach decision is the most crucial.
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Agreed we need better personnel bottomline. A good experienced coach with heavy input on personnel might help. But also we do need better coaches because Marinelli and his staff were not good coaches either. Millen pretty much did what he wanted until this year when he made moves Marinelli wanted. Both Millens moves and Marinellis moves were epic failures.

Technically we do have a new GM from last offseason. Problem is Mayhew has the stink of Millen on him. However, Millen had the final say in all football decisions so I won't penalize Mayhew for that. I'll give him a chance but I won't expect much from another inexperienced GM. Who knows maybe he disagreed with Millen on some of the picks and Millen just did what he wanted.

It's a collective effort as well. We'll see if we change any other scouts or pro personnel other than the one other change we made. Plus we'll see how much input the head coach has on personnel decisions as well. So far Mayhew has made 2 moves. One great move on a trade for Roy and he picked up Daunte for cheap and now has the option to release him for nothing. I don't expect much so anything he does will suprise me. The head coach decision is the most crucial.
Not all that cheap for Culpepper. He has a clause in his contract that pays him a bonus if he played in something like 5% of the teams snaps after he was aquired, plus a few other million dollar incentives that without checking right now, I'm pretty sure he hit. Think he played in 5% of the snaps? I'm pretty sure he did.
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Rod fired, Mayhew promoted.

It's not even a wash. We coulda had Pioli or Parcells.
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It's not even a wash. We coulda had Pioli or Parcells.
No way we get Parcells. Why come to Detroit seriously?

Pioli maybe but there is a number of jobs opening up for him.

Mayhew has an awful track record linked to Millen, but I'll give the guy a chance. Not expecting much but we'll see who we get as head coach. Billick would be a good choice. Experienced coach, good offensive mind, can develop a QB even though Boller failed. Plus Billick could have some heavy input for Mayhew on selectons.
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do you want Rod in Chicago?
I want him as an assistant head coach/d-line coach. I'm lukewarm on him as defensive coordinator.

I like his attitude a lot, I just question how intelligent he is. Lovie wanted to hire him as DC when he took over in 2004, I'm not sure if he stock is that much lower now than it was then
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