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Old 10-11-2010, 09:24 AM    (permalink
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Vikings play tonight at the Sanchezes, if they lose, they drop to 1-3.
As we all know, the Saints, Cowboys, and Packers all lost yesterday, with Dallas losing at home, Green Bay giving another game away, and the Saints losing at Max Hall.

The Saints offense obviously isn't the same without Reggie Bush. People loved to hate on that guy for some reason, but he is a weapon and nightmare matchup problem for defenses, regardless of how many yards rushing he gets.

And Pierre Thomas is missed too.

The Packers have had more injuries than anyone I can ever remember thru 5 games. It was bad coming into yesterday, then in the first drive of the game for us, Jermichael Finley goes down because our backup TE fumbled. Then on their first drive, our DL Pickett went down. Then Donald Lee somehow hurt his shoulder celebrating his TD and didn't return. The finish had our safety and special team ace Derrick Martin getting hurt, and then Rodgers got a helmet-to-helmet hit that resulted in an apparent concussion.

But the Pack and Saints are currently at 3-2.
Dallas is at 1-3 and at the Vikings next week, who will either be 1-3 or 2-2 depending on tonight's game at the Jets.

Which team is in the most trouble the rest of the year?
These were the consensus 4 favorites coming into the year. I saw very few picks of anyone other than these 4 teams for the NFC.
It's still early and I expect a couple of them to still rise to the top in the NFC.
But which ones?

What an ugly cluster**** it is in the NFC.
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Dal is no more the big 4.

Atlanta has to be up there now with a favorable schedule now.


Chicago I'm not buying into, but still their schedule doesn't look that bad. They split with Vikings and GB, lose to NE. Win against Lions, Bills, and Seahawks. After that its a toss up.

NY Giants are coming back in a big way. They always have odd slumps of either winning big, or losing big. Every year Tom Coughlin is "apparently on the hot seat" and some how he gets his team to play great for a stretch. I think the next few weeks they play great. Then week 10 against the Cowboys they go back to being up and down.
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Dal is no more the big 4.

Atlanta has to be up there now with a favorable schedule now.


Chicago I'm not buying into, but still their schedule doesn't look that bad. They split with Vikings and GB, lose to NE. Win against Lions, Bills, and Seahawks. After that its a toss up.

NY Giants are coming back in a big way. They always have odd slumps of either winning big, or losing big. Every year Tom Coughlin is "apparently on the hot seat" and some how he gets his team to play great for a stretch. I think the next few weeks they play great. Then week 10 against the Cowboys they go back to being up and down.


Damn straight we are! We took a year off due to hiring Bill Sheridan! We fixed that problem, and now our players and adjusting well to a new scheme. We will only get better now. Plus so far, our prior injured players are back. We actually have safeties now. No more CC Brown!
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Dal is no more the big 4.

Atlanta has to be up there now with a favorable schedule now.


Chicago I'm not buying into, but still their schedule doesn't look that bad. They split with Vikings and GB, lose to NE. Win against Lions, Bills, and Seahawks. After that its a toss up.

NY Giants are coming back in a big way. They always have odd slumps of either winning big, or losing big. Every year Tom Coughlin is "apparently on the hot seat" and some how he gets his team to play great for a stretch. I think the next few weeks they play great. Then week 10 against the Cowboys they go back to being up and down.
They beat them because of a ******** call in Week One at home, yet somehow it's a lock that they win on the road against them? Sure.
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They beat them because of a ******** call in Week One at home, yet somehow it's a lock that they win on the road against them? Sure.
If the Lions would have won, would you say they won by a lucky play? But given the bad call, they are playing much better, other than being raped by the Giants.
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They beat them because of a ******** call in Week One at home, yet somehow it's a lock that they win on the road against them? Sure.
It's a 60 minute game and the ref made the correct call. Stop being a cry baby.
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Same old song and dance. Every year a handful of teams (usually the same ones) get hyped up in the offseason and they almost always disappoint. It's always the same people that fall for it hook line and sinker as well.

This league is a league of parity and playoff turnover. It's borderline insane how people always think "this is the year that's gonna break the trend" - see NFC South history and trends.
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Same old song and dance. Every year a handful of teams (usually the same ones) get hyped up in the offseason and they almost always disappoint. It's always the same people that fall for it hook line and sinker as well.
Really? So you had someone other than those 4 teams in your NFC Championship prediction? Chicago and Atlanta right?

I could see Atlanta taking the NFCS from NO as that division always changes from year to year, and Atlanta played them tough both games last year, plus the Super Bowl hangover.

But I didn't see anyone in here, or any national publication picking Atlanta or Chicago to even make the NFCCG.

I did see a lot of picks of San Fran to win their division (my hand is up), and they are one of 3 current teams without a win.
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Pierre Thomas is missed way more than Reggie Bush
I love PT, but I'm not so sure about that statement there. Bush is a nightmare matchup, a lethal pass receiver as well as electric return man, and dangerous runner if there's a crease.

PT is good, but has nothing special other than he runs hard. There are a lot of guys who run hard in this league but not many Bush's.

But the main point is they are missing both guys. I'd LOVE to see the Vikings without their top 2 RBs for an extended length of time, like the Saints, and Packers without Grant for the whole season are dealing with.
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I love PT, but I'm not so sure about that statement there. Bush is a nightmare matchup, a lethal pass receiver as well as electric return man, and dangerous runner if there's a crease.

PT is good, but has nothing special other than he runs hard. There are a lot of guys who run hard in this league but not many Bush's.

But the main point is they are missing both guys. I'd LOVE to see the Vikings without their top 2 RBs for an extended length of time, like the Saints, and Packers without Grant for the whole season are dealing with.
well the difference is that the Vikings depend on their running backs much more than GB and NO did to begin with.
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At face value that may be true. Obviously from what we have seen of Chris Ivory, you know it isn't a pass play if he is in the backfield. That allows defenses to play against the pass during those situations/personnel sets. However, I feel as if our Play-book is depleted in certain situations without Bush lined up as a back or in the slot. That has to have a deep under-lying impact on play selection and have a ripple effect from there on out.
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Really? So you had someone other than those 4 teams in your NFC Championship prediction? Chicago and Atlanta right?

I could see Atlanta taking the NFCS from NO as that division always changes from year to year, and Atlanta played them tough both games last year, plus the Super Bowl hangover.

But I didn't see anyone in here, or any national publication picking Atlanta or Chicago to even make the NFCCG.

I did see a lot of picks of San Fran to win their division (my hand is up), and they are one of 3 current teams without a win.
I didn't have either Chicago or Washington in my playoff predictions (I chickened out on giving them wildcard spots in my Truths thread, but said they'd definitely be fighting for the playoffs), and I said that they were both teams to watch out for in a major way this year and had both of them at second in their divisions.

Washington's a team that lost a LOT of close games last year. They're in the same situation this year, except they have a legit head coach and QB. So they're winning ugly instead of losing ugly.

Also, a healthy Urlacher and Briggs plus the addition of Peppers was exactly what the Bears needed, and they became an elite defense again like I thought they would. Jury is still out on how well the Cutler/Martz marriage will turn out.

Minny and Dallas were horribly overrated coming into this season. Minny's got a chance to bounce back with the Moss trade. I think they blow the doors off the Jets tonight.

Then again, I had SF as the 3 seed and Carolina as a wildcard. So what do I know.
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Really? So you had someone other than those 4 teams in your NFC Championship prediction? Chicago and Atlanta right?

I could see Atlanta taking the NFCS from NO as that division always changes from year to year, and Atlanta played them tough both games last year, plus the Super Bowl hangover.

But I didn't see anyone in here, or any national publication picking Atlanta or Chicago to even make the NFCCG.

I did see a lot of picks of San Fran to win their division (my hand is up), and they are one of 3 current teams without a win.
I really liked Atlanta going into the year. Chicago...not so much. I liked Green Bay as well but injuries have really stung them.

The rest of it is common sense. I don't pretend to be psychic...the Cowboys always disappoint and the Saints are the defending Super Bowl champs. I don't think the Saints even know why they're struggling...it just happens. It's very difficult to maintain success in the NFL.

I'm not trying to troll you or anyone else but it's a huge pet peeve of mine that some people in the media try to make the NFL into the NBA where a handful of teams and players suck up all the attention and discussion. The league just doesn't work that way - parity is the name of the game.
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.......Saints are the defending Super Bowl champs. I don't think the Saints even know why they're struggling...it just happens....
Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas have a few guesses, so does Darren Sharper, the All Pro safety from a year ago who saved them about 3 games last season.
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Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas have a few guesses, so does Darren Sharper, the All Pro safety from a year ago who saved them about 3 games last season.
I agree to an extent but the Saints issues go a lot deeper than that. I'll have a full answer on Sunday when I get to see a whole game.
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Same old song and dance. Every year a handful of teams (usually the same ones) get hyped up in the offseason and they almost always disappoint. It's always the same people that fall for it hook line and sinker as well.
And AZ always rises back to the top after a offseason of doubting
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I saw the Pack game, Skins fan here(!!), and how the heck does Finley get hurt attempting to make a tackle?? That's dairy queen soft.

GB IMO just didn't seem to be that physically tough of a football team.

That said, I'm glad GB had all those injuries because if they were healthy, we probably lose that game by 3 TDs.

Dallas' problem is the HC and the culture of entitlement on that team; those guys think they're SB champions before the season even starts.

NO needs their RBs healthy and Reggie Bush forces opposing teams to account for him, why I know not.

If Favre doesn't get pinched by Goodell for sending pics of his grandpa dingaling to 20something reporters, the Vikes are gonna beast with Moss added to their offense.
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SF and Carolina are the reason I HATE projecting what teams are going to do year to year.


Poor coach Singletary is a gonna get fired for that debacle by the Bay!!!
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Even healthy GB hasnt looked very impressive. But I guess all that pre season hype still has people believing. And Dallas, is well Dallas. Same old story for the last few years. Vikes, have a tough schedule and Farve looks like hes dying. Idk whats wrong with the Saints. Brees doesnt look the same.
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Even healthy GB hasnt looked very impressive. But I guess all that pre season hype still has people believing.
Have you watched our games? Week in and week out? Week one, we beat a tough Philly team on the road. Handled Buffalo, duh. Got lost in the laundry in Chicago on Monday Night and still had a chance to win. Then the injuries came. We're still 3-2. A game out from the best in the NFC. 17 of 29 players on defense have some sort of injury. Jermichael Finley and Donald Lee are both hurting. Ryan Grant down for the year. A rookie starting in Bulaga.

But, you're crazy for not buying into the Packers pre-season hype.
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Have you watched our games? Week in and week out? Week one, we beat a tough Philly team on the road. Handled Buffalo, duh. Got lost in the laundry in Chicago on Monday Night and still had a chance to win. Then the injuries came. We're still 3-2. A game out from the best in the NFC. 17 of 29 players on defense have some sort of injury. Jermichael Finley and Donald Lee are both hurting. Ryan Grant down for the year. A rookie starting in Bulaga.

But, you're crazy for not buying into the Packers pre-season hype.
Hindsight is 20/20.
Every team has injuries. I'm sorry that I'm not impressed by wins at Buffalo, escaping Philly and Vick, escaping the ******* Lions, and losses to Chicago and Washington, while not seeing Rodgers become that top three Qb everyone talked about. So yes, I really am not impressed with the pack. I understand getting hyped, but alot of people on this board acted and still do act like the Packers have already won the super bowl.
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