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Old 01-01-2011, 09:32 PM    (permalink
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Default The "Evolution" of College Football In Florida

1. Miami

2. Florida State

3. Florida


Growing in the late 90's and early 2000's, far far away in a land called Connecticut, I watched the aforementioned powerhouses dominate college football. Nowadays, it seems as if the state of Florida is growing more and more irrelevant. With Urban Meyer leaving Florida today, it seems as if things have never been worse.

What has happened since? Can someone from Florida, or someone who has followed Florida college football en masse explain to me why there's been such a large shift in power? Why have Miami and Florida State lost their dominance? Why did FSU beat Jacksonville State by a slim margin of 19-9? And why are teams like USF emerging? I wouldn't be surprised in 15-20 years if USF is the best team in the state, based on what I've seen over the last 5 years.

I guess the main question is, where do you see Florida college football in 10 years, and why is this happening? Don't these kids want to go to Miami and FSU anymore? If they still are nabbing great recruiting classes, is the why aren't they developing into elite talents, and why aren't they winning? Obviously, the talent pool of high school kids isn't shrinking, but it seems to me that the kids are migrating to other states for their ball, or they're just dispersing themselves more evenly to USF Will Miami and FSU ever return to dominance?
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Central Florida is the "best" team in Florida right now.

Everyone goes through ups and downs. Florida is the best coaching job in the country right this second. That could change in a year or few. Florida State appears to be on their way back up. Miami could be get back there at some point.

There is enough talent in Florida and Texas to support 2 dominant teams at a time... the question is which 2 programs are going to get most of it.

Central and South Florida are enormous universities in big population centers. UCF is in Orlando and South Florida is in that Tampa area.
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Central Florida is the "best" team in Florida right now.

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No, no they're not.
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No, no they're not.
Tell me how many Central Florida games you have watched? Maybe one? I've watched all but two plus basically every game FSU Miami and Florida have played and I'll tell you that the Knights would beat Miami. They would probably beat Florida too. But UCF and FSU lost close games to NC State so I think they would give FSU a good game. With their great defense and solid running game, they would be a very tough match up. and let's not forget that UCF has the beat record and was the only team to win a conference championship except FIU (and I doubt anyone will argue they are the best team in Florida).
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No, no they're not.
That's interesting. I could've sworn 11-3 was better than 10-4.
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That's interesting. I could've sworn 11-3 was better than 10-4.
FSU is actually 10-4 but still not as good as UCF.
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FSU is actually 10-4 but still not as good as UCF.
Based on...what exactly?
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Central Florida is the "best" team in Florida right now..
What?

1) 10-4 in the ACC > 11-3 in CUSA

2) UCF beat no one of note, FSU beat down UF and Miami, not to mention beating SEC East winner South Carolina in the game formerly known as the Peach Bowl.

3) Just no.
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What?

1) 10-4 in the ACC > 11-3 in CUSA

2) UCF beat no one of note, FSU beat down UF and Miami, not to mention beating SEC East winner South Carolina in the game formerly known as the Peach Bowl.

3) Just no.
You say that like the ACC is good. By the way, who won that conference?

The SEC East sucked ass this year. Central Florida beat Georgia.
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The ACC may not be the SEC, but it is certainly better than CUSA by a considerable margin and is far from the worst BCS conference.
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The ACC may not be the SEC, but it is certainly better than CUSA by a considerable margin and is far from the worst BCS conference.
When you say far from the worst BCS conference... what does that mean exactly?

The Big East welcomes TCU, so the ACC is battling it out with what's left of the soon to be dead Big XII for last among BCS Conferences, so... yea. Go ACC.

And Central Florida is going to be in a BCS Conference sooner than later... just a question of which one.
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You say that like the ACC is good. By the way, who won that conference?

The SEC East sucked ass this year. Central Florida beat Georgia.
Lol, Georgia is freaking terrible. They got beat by Colorado.

Just because they play in the SEC doesn't mean that they're some unstoppable force.
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Lol, Georgia is freaking terrible. They got beat by Colorado.
That was without AJ Green and in one of Aaron Murry's first starts. And if Georgia sucks for losing to Colorada then Virginia Tech must really suck for losing to JMU and what does that say about FSU being dominated by the Hokies?
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What?

1) 10-4 in the ACC > 11-3 in CUSA

2) UCF beat no one of note, FSU beat down UF and Miami, not to mention beating SEC East winner South Carolina in the game formerly known as the Peach Bowl.

3) Just no.
UCF just beat Georgia. I know they are down but it is still an SEC team. And against NC State, they played just as well as Florida State. But the real test is next year against Boston College and Texas (who they nearly beat a few years ago when the Longhorns were in the top 20).
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Central Florida is the "best" team in Florida right now.

Everyone goes through ups and downs. Florida is the best coaching job in the country right this second. That could change in a year or few. Florida State appears to be on their way back up. Miami could be get back there at some point.

There is enough talent in Florida and Texas to support 2 dominant teams at a time... the question is which 2 programs are going to get most of it.

Central and South Florida are enormous universities in big population centers. UCF is in Orlando and South Florida is in that Tampa area.
UCF? Are you kidding? No way in hell is UCF better than FSU.
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UCF? Are you kidding? No way in hell is UCF better than FSU.
Based on what? People on here arguing that FSU are only usinv the fuzzy logic that since FSU beat South Carolina and Floridz by more than UCF beat Georgia, they are automatically better. They completely ignore the fact that UCF has a Bette record, played their only common opponent about the same, isn't a team that is designed to blow teams out, and based on the logic they use they would also have to say FSU is worse than james Madison.
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Based on what? People on here arguing that FSU are only usinv the fuzzy logic that since FSU beat South Carolina and Floridz by more than UCF beat Georgia, they are automatically better. They completely ignore the fact that UCF has a Bette record, played their only common opponent about the same, isn't a team that is designed to blow teams out, and based on the logic they use they would also have to say FSU is worse than james Madison.
Let FSU play UCF's schedule and at worst they go 13-1.
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Let FSU play UCF's schedule and at worst they go 13-1.
They would lose to NC State again and probably drop another.
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Central Florida is the "best" team in Florida right now.
LOL. No.

The NC State games were NC State @ UCF and FSU @ NC State

purely using the horrific logic of common games,

FSU:
1. Lost by less
2. Played on the road instead of at home.
3. Lost the game by choking. (Thank you Mr Ponder.)

FSU > UCF.

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You're right. They would have been much better off having an enormous academic scandal when it comes to getting the kids into the school, people taking tests for them, so on and so forth. So bad in fact that Antonio Cromartie was admitted to the school despite being illiterate. Bravo, Seminoles. Bravo.
Smart people don't go to FSU. Myron Rolle was secretly taking classes somewhere else. It's the fake boob capital of the east coast (and probably the "bad" fake boob capital of the world)


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1) The ACC is better than the Big East, even with the addition of TCU. The ACC likely jumps the Big 12-2 and well looking out how the Big 10 has done in bowl games, I'd give the ACC the nod over them to.
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For FSU, it was Bowden. The guy remained loyal to his coaches. Coaches who couldn't coach. Coaches who couldn't recruit guys with high character. We almost lost to JSU last year because we had just played a game five days earlier. We lost on Labor Day night to Miami. It was a physical, emotional game. Then to have to turn around and play JSU five days later, it was a huge letdown. Plus the receivers couldn't hold on to the ball at all.

The powers in Florida go in cycles. Miami had the 80s. FSU had its streak of 14 straight top 5 finishes from 1987-2000. They had 11 straight bowl wins as well. Two streaks that will most likely never be touched again. And Florida was a power in the 90s, but they have peaked to the top recently due to the fact that Miami and FSU have been in the crapper.

If you look at the state of the big three now, it's easily:

1.FSU
2.UF
3.Miami

FSU has the brightest future of the big 3 right now. We just rapped up a 10 win season. We will finish with a top 3 recruiting class, and have a good chance of having the number one recruiting class in the country. And we have the best coaching staff in the state.

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First is that how you currently rank Florida teams? because FSU is better tha. Miami. But as. Guy who lived in Florida for 19 years I think I know the problems. Florida State started going downhill when Jeff Biwden became the OC. He destroyed the program. The hire of Larry Coker is what killed Miami. Sure he won them a championship but he also left the team in a much worse position. Add that to the fact that Miami doesn't have the money or facilities as other schools I don't see them dominating anytime soon. I actually think Florida losing Meyer is a good thing. He is great when he has great players. But he lacks the ability to alter his offense so without a Tebow or Alex Smith, he is average.

I think FSU and Florida will be fine. They will continue to challenge for championships. If you are looking for the next dominant team it could be UCF. They are the second largest school in the nation, have a ton of money, beautiful facilities, and access to great players in Orlando, Jacksonville, and Miami. If the Big East offers them a spot, I think UCF could dominate the league.
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Wow, that is one of the most uninformed posts I've ever seen.

From 2001-09 FSU went through Bobby Bowden's fall from grace, or as FSU fans have come to call it the Lost Decade. He had given up coaching and retained numerous coaches who really had no business having their jobs, which is evidenced by all of them being unemployed today. The Jacksonville State game was followed up by the Noles going out to Provo and blowing the doors off of a good BYU team. By the end of 2009 it was finally obvious to the administration that Bowden needed to go when he suggested Chuck Amato be promoted to Defensive Coordinator and the change was made to let Fisher take over the program one way or another. Prior to that even though he was the HCIW, Fisher had no control over the program and ranked below Mickey Andrews and Amato on the totem pole.

Flash forward to 2010, FSU fielding a young defense (5 sophomores, 1 freshman starting) FSU improved from 108th in the country in total defense to 48th and went from no pash rush to leading the nation in sacks. This defense comes back virtually intact and the players replacing the departing seniors are all big talent upgrades Overall they went from 7-6 and losing to UF, UM, and USF to 10-4 with blowout wins over UF and UM and the first 10 win season since 2003.

As for recruits wanting to come to the schools the #1 class in the country will come down to FSU or Alabama (I'd guess FSU #1 in ESPN, Bama #1 in Rivals) so I think that would be an overwhelming yes that top players want to go to Florida State.

Florida and Miami will go down their own paths from here, but the one year head start FSU got on them in this new round of rebuilding has certainly been beneficial, especially with the absurd amount of talent FSU has brought in since Fisher took over.
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As for recruits wanting to come to the schools the #1 class in the country will come down to FSU or Alabama (I'd guess FSU #1 in ESPN, Bama #1 in Rivals)
surprised nobody called you out on this.

A) ESPN and Rivals are about as east coast biased as you can possibly get, nobody in the nation can stand up with Texas' class, especially sinced they signed Westerman. Texas will hold on to the #1 spot on ESPN and Scout.

B) Recuiting class rankings mean little to nothing. It's the same teams on the top every year because the ranking services base their opinions on what offers a player has, not as much on the field hype, which is why they have so many busts in the top 20 of their overall prospects.
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What about USF?
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