Andy Dalton: Next Drew Brees or John Beck?

[JFINK11]

Is this an unfair comparison? I think everyone's so enamored with him but doesnt he have a similar skill set to John Beck?

Both have questionable arm strength and size and come from non pro style offenses. Yes Dalton was more successful overall but by how much?

I have a feeling people are falling in love with him a little too much. Any thoughts?

[49erNation85]

Hes a good team leader and mobile QB.Not super arm strength.Very hard comparison though really.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Hah is there no middle ground, John Beck is honestly the worst QB I have ever seen in my life. You can't be any worse than him, I think Dolphins, Ravens, and Skins fans can all vouch to this.

[Grizzlegom]

Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

Hah is there no middle ground, John Beck is honestly the worst QB I have ever seen in my life. You can't be any worse than him, I think Dolphins, Ravens, and Skins fans can all vouch to this.

Yep, Beck is terrible. Not sure if I can say the worst QB I've seen in my life as I've had to endure Pat White for half a quarter that one time. That was brutal.

On topic, I liken Dalton more to Jeff Garcia than anyone honestly, I think he can succeed with pieces around him and has the skills to be a solid all-around west coast QB but he's not a franchise QB.

[JFINK11]

Originally Posted by Grizzlegom

Yep, Beck is terrible. Not sure if I can say the worst QB I've seen in my life as I've had to endure Pat White for half a quarter that one time. That was brutal.

On topic, I liken Dalton more to Jeff Garcia than anyone honestly, I think he can succeed with pieces around him and has the skills to be a solid all-around west coast QB but he's not a franchise QB.

I think if he's Jeff Garcia in his prime a lot of teams would be ok with him as their qb.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by 49erNation85

Hes a good team leader and mobile QB.Not super arm strength.Very hard comparison though really.

Not sure about all the mobility but he is a leader. The media seems to be forcing this guy down our throats here in the last couple of weeks. Probably should be a 3rd rounder but might sneak into the second.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I've talked about it in Skins discussions but IMO he's a 3rd-5th round QB but because the QB class is relatively weak and so many teams need a QB, he is a near late first-mid 2nd lock. I do truly believe that he's an inferior prospect to Colt McCoy who went in the 3rd just a year ago. With that said I do have him ranked over both Ponder and Kaepernick, and can understand a team selecting him over Mallett if you consider intangibles, intelligence, and footwork. I think a team like the Bengals or Seahawks would be a nice pick. Even I think my Skins would be a nice fit. I do however believe his upside is completely limited. Ponder and Kaepernick however I can see being absolutely horrendous NFL QB's. Dalton to me will at the very least be a quality backup.

[initial_flo]

People are drinking way to much Andy Dalton koolaid.

He might be decent but I don't see the upside.

[Pat Sims 90]

I think if u get him in a WC offense he will be productive but if he not in a WC offense he will fail in the NFL. I know Jay Gruden the OC for the Bengals really likes Dalton. I think he will fall in between a Brees and a Beck.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Pat Sims 90

I think if u get him in a WC offense he will be productive but if he not in a WC offense he will fail in the NFL. I know Jay Gruden the OC for the Bengals really likes Dalton. I think he will fall in between a Brees and a Beck.

Probably a slightly slower version of Colt McCoy who was a 3rd rounder. I can see the interest but any talk of the 1st round is psycho talk.

[TACKLE]

Andy Dalton.....the next Kellen Clemens.

[proshoota25]

one team is going to completely screw themselves if they take him in the first round. i see him as being a good backup, and is pushed up the draft board due to a lackluster set of QBs.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Originally Posted by TACKLE

Andy Dalton.....the next Kellen Clemens.

much better comp.

he's going to be a mediocre back up qb that was overdrafted. not out of the league and about to enter social security after 2 years. and not one of the best qbs in the league

[JFINK11]

Originally Posted by SchizophrenicBatman

much better comp.

he's going to be a mediocre back up qb that was overdrafted. not out of the league and about to enter social security after 2 years. and not one of the best qbs in the league

He could be successful but not someone i want to start or bet my franchise on

[keylime_5]

I don't see a lot of Drew Brees or Colt McCoy in him except for the fact that he has a weak arm. Those two were very mobile passing spread QBs and were THE thing that made their teams go. Dalton had a great defense and a good running game and was a game manager compared to those two at TCU despite putting up very good statistics. Not to mention he played a Mountain West schedule, not a Big Ten or Big Twelve schedule. When teams played TCU I don't think they were losing as much sleep about gameplanning to stop Dalton as teams who played McCoy and Brees were.

[Giants34]

Good Christ...how about if he's Andy Dalton? People have always gotta compare guys to other people. Nathan Enderle is Matt Ryan. Andy Dalton is John Beck. Since when did these guys come out the same vagina? I've compared Newton to Young as primadonnas but that's as far as I go. Everyone has to be someone else.

[MLarsen]

Andy Dalton is after my opinion more like a Kerry Collins a very solid QB, but never a MVP, he has the leadership, but the team there take Dalton should have some playmakers there can make the different in the close games, but he still is a solid QB, and after some years and with a great team like Saints had last year i can see him go a great career, but he is not like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers a franchise QB

[Scott Wright]

Drew Brees is the rare exception, not the rule.

It's like everyone saying "The Next Tom Brady" every year.

It's a once every decade or two type of situation.

Needless to say, I vote that Dalton is closer to "The Next John Beck".

[DiG]

funny that john beck has been working out with drew brees this offseason.

[bornnraisedwhodat]

Originally Posted by Dirty Thirty

funny that john beck has been working out with drew brees this offseason.

Watch out for the Breesus touch. Everytime Brees works out with guys, they get better. He worked out with Aaron Rogers (SB Champ), last season he worked out with Josh Freeman, who made HUGE improvements. I heard he's also working with Sanchez this season.

[DcmRulz]

I think he's gonna wind up Drew Brees pre-Rivers.

[Saints-Tigers]

If you have to say "if he's put in the right system, with teh right team, with the right players" and all that other BS, he's not a good player, and you should draft someone that doesn't have to have absolutely perfect conditions to succeed.

[stephenson86]

Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

If you have to say "if he's put in the right system, with teh right team, with the right players" and all that other BS, he's not a good player, and you should draft someone that doesn't have to have absolutely perfect conditions to succeed.

It doesn't mean he isn't a good player it just means that he hasn't got the overall skill set to just do it all. A lot of players are drafted to fit in a system because they would fail in other, it doesn't mean they are bad players, just means their skill set isn't extremely versatile.

[stephenson86]

I think in this massively QB needy league and the FA uncertainty, Dalton is being pushed up a lot on draft boards and the reason for me is his high floor. He may never be an amazing QB but if he goes to a team built more to run the ball well he could be a good man under center. Tennessee and Cincy would be good landing spots.

[Saints-Tigers]

Yea, but this is a QB you are talking about. Clearly you don't want to put Peyton Manning in an option offense, but you want your QB to be able to handle all pro style throws and reads, or you aren't winning a superbowl anyway.